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JockodiMinor
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Posted - 2008.09.24 19:09:00 -
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Hi all,
I am now in a position to head into the world of PvP and was hoping to steal some of your collective knowledge! I can fly most t1 ships up to BS and all HACs and t2 frigs. I am looking for pointers on what are the better ships for PvP and piracy etc. All suggestions and criticisms are very welcome.
Cheers
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.24 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:33 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:02 well, since you said you are a noob at pvp, i would first reccomend frigates, cheap, fast, can get out quick if needed, and if you die, its no big deal, i wouldnt reccomend t2 frigs because you WILL die in pvp, before you lose to many t2 frigs, you should start out small
get a friend or three to go w/ you as well, and run a frigate op, they are fun as hell, and you can take down any cruiser w/ a small frig fleet
as you get more experience, i would reccomend going up bigger and bigger first frig then cruiser (skip destroyer), bc, ect as you gain mroe experience, if you keep dying ina cruiser, then your going to keep dying in a battlecruiser (one or two losses in a row isnt bad, but when you like die every time for like 10 times, then its time to downgrade again)
also, practice in ships, because different ships require compeltely different tactics
frigs dont have the dps to take out a big enemy, so you have to work more on tactics w/ frigs, pulsing your MWD, getting out when you konw you dont have a chance in hell
cruisers are different, now you might have the dps to actually take something on solo, but you arent nearly as fast as a frig,
BC's require MUCH different tactics, they are slow, and are like baby battleships, can put out a good amount of DPS, and can take quite a bit, now you need to focus more on regulating your cap, battles go slower (unless your getting jumped) so they take time and diligence, switching out ammo types (since your minmatar) or switching out drones, ect
each different class requires different tactics frigs go fast and have pea shooters, bc's are slow as a tank but can steam roll through anything smaller than itself like it wasnt there
EDIT AGAIN: and im sure i dont need to tell you that bigger doesnt always = better 
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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JockodiMinor
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:09:00 -
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Thanks for this. I was thinking of taking a small fleet of Rifters into 0.0 and see how we get on. Does this sound like a good idea?
Cheers
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:15:00 -
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Rifter is probably the best T1 PvP frigate, but it'll depend on how many and how skilled the people in the gang are. A problem you'll encounter is that the roaming HAC gangs that are present in nullsec will tear up a Rifter swarm unless you properly utilize EWar and coordinate your attack, so make sure the people in your gang are on the ball when it comes to in-gang communication. Pick your fights wisely.
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Spectre3353
Gallente The Python Cartel
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:35:00 -
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Rifter is a great place to start. Easily the most powerful T1 frigate in the game. That being said, you sound like you already have good skills and some ISK so you may actually want to start in a T1 cruiser instead. They are not very expensive to lose after insurance and are much more survivable and powerful than any frigate of any kind.
Good T1 cruisers for solo: Thorax Vexor Rupture Arbitrator Stabber
If you are going out in a gang you can add these to the list as well: Caracal Blackbird ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/
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JockodiMinor
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:42:00 -
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Hmmm. Never thought of Thorax. First cruiser I flew. Might be time then to dust off the Blasterax!
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Krall Havoc
THE FINAL STAND
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:44:00 -
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TEST SERVER!!!
There are really some good fights there, other than that starting off in a ship like a rifter is a good starting point, then move up from there. No need to rehash what the posters above me said. Sig removed, inappropriate content. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com - Saint |

Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:45:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 24/09/2008 20:46:37 Yep, rifter is good. Punisher is also very good with level 4 in amarr frigate.
Once you get used to things, rupture, thorax, vexor, arbitrator, and omen (if you're in a gang) are good to practice with.
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Alchemise
Amarr Relinquo.
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Posted - 2008.09.24 20:51:00 -
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One of the funniest things I've ever seen was a 10 man rifter gang eat a Rokh.
All t1 fitted, with one guy flying a rapier. Presumably the one FC'ing.
I was cloaked at the time.
Still they came back and jumped into our gate camp. I tell you, the best use of t2 Rockets on a Heretic is popping rifters 
But yea, get some guys in rifters. Good fun to be had.
>Alch
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Thor Firehammer
Amarr Infinite Sorrow Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.24 22:16:00 -
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Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:33 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:02 well, since you said you are a noob at pvp, i would first reccomend frigates, cheap, fast, can get out quick if needed, and if you die, its no big deal, i wouldnt reccomend t2 frigs because you WILL die in pvp, before you lose to many t2 frigs, you should start out small
get a friend or three to go w/ you as well, and run a frigate op, they are fun as hell, and you can take down any cruiser w/ a small frig fleet
as you get more experience, i would reccomend going up bigger and bigger first frig then cruiser (skip destroyer), bc, ect as you gain mroe experience, if you keep dying ina cruiser, then your going to keep dying in a battlecruiser (one or two losses in a row isnt bad, but when you like die every time for like 10 times, then its time to downgrade again)
also, practice in ships, because different ships require compeltely different tactics
frigs dont have the dps to take out a big enemy, so you have to work more on tactics w/ frigs, pulsing your MWD, getting out when you konw you dont have a chance in hell
cruisers are different, now you might have the dps to actually take something on solo, but you arent nearly as fast as a frig,
BC's require MUCH different tactics, they are slow, and are like baby battleships, can put out a good amount of DPS, and can take quite a bit, now you need to focus more on regulating your cap, battles go slower (unless your getting jumped) so they take time and diligence, switching out ammo types (since your minmatar) or switching out drones, ect
each different class requires different tactics frigs go fast and have pea shooters, bc's are slow as a tank but can steam roll through anything smaller than itself like it wasnt there
EDIT AGAIN: and im sure i dont need to tell you that bigger doesnt always = better 
I disagree with you on one point here.
#1 This guy isnt new to the game just pvp. Carebearing in empire for the last 6 months or so without pvping his wallet is most likely fatter than mine or yours and Im sure he can more to afford to lose a bunch of intys and plenty of t2 fit Cruisers.
What i would do is get a nice inty gang together (there alot better than a shit rifter) and start off trying to catch someone in a belt in low sec. If targets are to scarce try going into 0.0.
After you die a bunch of times and get used to flying the inty's it will be good for when you get into a vaga ir and ishtar (same tactics). Next train with a cruiser There are alot of good choices here the rupty, thorax, vexor, arby and even the caracal (imo the most underated Cruiser). Fit these cruisers with heavy tank and less dps. For example use small nuetrons on a rax and fit a 1600 plate, DC, EANM, 2 mag stabs, mwd scram and web for a much bigger buffer than a cruiser normally has and still some decent dps(use a similar fit for a vexor). That setup will get you used to the heavy BS style brawls and also net you a ton of solo kills.
Now the nano ***gatory. Fit out a nice vaga with a shield buffer tank and make it go real fast and just fly it like a big inty. Same goes with the ishtar. Other hac's have different uses some can be made nano and some tank but to much to explain right now.
BC's fly them like big cruisers but fit them with a good tank and decent dps (no small guns on these) aside from mission running and solo ganking noobs there pretty worthless imo.
With BS's theres different ways to fly em. A remote repping gang, a gank squad, snipers and a few others. Id recomend mastering the inty's and the cruisers before flying anything else.
Cheers- Thor
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Yuki Valentine
Comply Or Die G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.09.24 23:35:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Firehammer
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:33 Edited by: soldieroffortune 258 on 24/09/2008 19:19:02 well, since you said you are a noob at pvp, i would first reccomend frigates, cheap, fast, can get out quick if needed, and if you die, its no big deal, i wouldnt reccomend t2 frigs because you WILL die in pvp, before you lose to many t2 frigs, you should start out small
get a friend or three to go w/ you as well, and run a frigate op, they are fun as hell, and you can take down any cruiser w/ a small frig fleet
as you get more experience, i would reccomend going up bigger and bigger first frig then cruiser (skip destroyer), bc, ect as you gain mroe experience, if you keep dying ina cruiser, then your going to keep dying in a battlecruiser (one or two losses in a row isnt bad, but when you like die every time for like 10 times, then its time to downgrade again)
also, practice in ships, because different ships require compeltely different tactics
frigs dont have the dps to take out a big enemy, so you have to work more on tactics w/ frigs, pulsing your MWD, getting out when you konw you dont have a chance in hell
cruisers are different, now you might have the dps to actually take something on solo, but you arent nearly as fast as a frig,
BC's require MUCH different tactics, they are slow, and are like baby battleships, can put out a good amount of DPS, and can take quite a bit, now you need to focus more on regulating your cap, battles go slower (unless your getting jumped) so they take time and diligence, switching out ammo types (since your minmatar) or switching out drones, ect
each different class requires different tactics frigs go fast and have pea shooters, bc's are slow as a tank but can steam roll through anything smaller than itself like it wasnt there
EDIT AGAIN: and im sure i dont need to tell you that bigger doesnt always = better 
I disagree with you on one point here.
#1 This guy isnt new to the game just pvp. Carebearing in empire for the last 6 months or so without pvping his wallet is most likely fatter than mine or yours and Im sure he can more to afford to lose a bunch of intys and plenty of t2 fit Cruisers.
What i would do is get a nice inty gang together (there alot better than a shit rifter) and start off trying to catch someone in a belt in low sec. If targets are to scarce try going into 0.0.
After you die a bunch of times and get used to flying the inty's it will be good for when you get into a vaga ir and ishtar (same tactics). Next train with a cruiser There are alot of good choices here the rupty, thorax, vexor, arby and even the caracal (imo the most underated Cruiser). Fit these cruisers with heavy tank and less dps. For example use small nuetrons on a rax and fit a 1600 plate, DC, EANM, 2 mag stabs, mwd scram and web for a much bigger buffer than a cruiser normally has and still some decent dps(use a similar fit for a vexor). That setup will get you used to the heavy BS style brawls and also net you a ton of solo kills.
Now the nano ***gatory. Fit out a nice vaga with a shield buffer tank and make it go real fast and just fly it like a big inty. Same goes with the ishtar. Other hac's have different uses some can be made nano and some tank but to much to explain right now.
BC's fly them like big cruisers but fit them with a good tank and decent dps (no small guns on these) aside from mission running and solo ganking noobs there pretty worthless imo.
With BS's theres different ways to fly em. A remote repping gang, a gank squad, snipers and a few others. Id recomend mastering the inty's and the cruisers before flying anything else.
Cheers- Thor
I would say that Thor has pretty much thought a lot about this and I would agree with what he says. He brings up some great points and nothing I have found I could really crap on (and I really tried)
Great points Thor!
 
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.25 03:35:00 -
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lol, im sorry, but that just kinda screams ALT
anywhoo, yes, i did take into account that his wallet is probably very large, but it can go from very large to very small very quickly if he starts off losing inty's (30-50million) and hac's (up to 200 million costing setups) since he WILL die, since he doesnt have the experience, he loses 4 or 5 tech 2 hacs due to in experience, or not using proper setups, whatever, thats almost a billion down the drain, which im sure would make a pretty ding in his large wallet, i wouldnt wish that on anyone
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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JockodiMinor
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Posted - 2008.09.25 08:37:00 -
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Thanks guys. I am thinking Rifter / Punisher t1 fitted while I get used to it. Then move onto Vexor maybe T2 and then Deimos and Vagabond? Reason being my manufacture / industrial ALT produces Vagas and Deimos and most of Gall T2 components. However, as you rightly say, I don't really want to lose many HACs. Does this sound a logical progression? One final question (prolly to emphasize my noobness), is money just made by piracy and ransoming in low sec? I eventually want to move my mining ops into 0.0 too. But that is months away yet.
Ta
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H Lecter
Gallente The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2008.09.25 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: JockodiMinor is money just made by piracy and ransoming in low sec?
It is possible to make money - but you have to concentrate on ransoming rather than blowing stuff up. A Raven kill is surely nice on the killboard, but a Raven ransom is much nicer in your wallet. Have a ship and a cargo scanner available to estimate the value of a ship and then propose a reasonable service fee to the customer.
And stick to your word - that's not an honor thing, it's just sense for business. Losec is not overpopulated and you will want to have a good reputation to make long term profit.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.09.25 10:02:00 -
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T2+named/T1 fit Rifter costs about 2.5 mil to lose, extremely easy to pay itself off, very efficient ship all around. That's what I got started in, served me well for months and months.
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JockodiMinor
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Posted - 2008.09.25 11:22:00 -
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Thanks for all the advice. I am looking forward now to PvP which I will be doing in the next couple of days.
Fly safe all.
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Newbear
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Posted - 2008.09.26 00:41:00 -
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never undock! its a trick! wait for ambulation. Click here for my High Security POS Service
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emf
Amarr Knights Of the Black Sun
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Posted - 2008.09.26 09:14:00 -
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Fly a cheap T1 named fit battleship and get the best bang for isk. Fit it properly and kill stuff smaller than you... profit! Join Knights of the Black Sun today. Contact emf in game. |

Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:54:00 -
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for comedy low sec lulz at the right price, LSE falloff stabber, autocannon punisher, HAM Drake, 425 II autocannon falloff ferox, light neutron blaster maller, and focused pulse dual rep prophecy are all pretty good for a laugh
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Soporo
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:55:00 -
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Bah, bring a bunch of sensor boosted Blackbirds and a couple inties. Cheap cheap cheap and guaranteed to annoy.
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Shadow Vincentius
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Posted - 2008.09.28 01:35:00 -
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Rocket Kessies are pretty popular, fit a couple of t2 rocket launchers, a 20km scram, mwd and woteva other cheap crap you can find. Useless at taking down decent targets with more dps than you (which wont take much) but great fun reading the wailing messages from a dumass Hulk pilot as you take him in to structure using a t1 frig  
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