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Interscene
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.24 21:53:00 -
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Q6600 CPU 4gig Ram 8800GTX GeForce graphics
Every day or two, when playing EVE online for extended periods of time I notice the whole computer start to really stutter and lag - with a quad core this is something I'm unused to and has only been happening in the last week or so.
During gameplay of EVE my CPU usuage according to Task Manager creeps up slowly to the 70% mark on all four cores. EVE online only appears to account for 15% of this, my services.exe (Normally utterly, utterly docile) starts to consume about 10% to 35% resources and utterly cripples gameplay until I restart the PC. There's a large gap of about 30% of those cycles unaccounted for on the task manager - but its only when playing EVE this happens and the vast ammount of cycles being processed is staggering and bewildering.
An odd problem perhaps, I'm reluctant to do a repair of windows after previous bad experiances doing that with current hardware.
Any ideas? (And no, it's not a Trojan, this computer is highly clean and it's the genuine services running).
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Leelo Atriedes
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.09.25 06:05:00 -
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What flavour of Windows? What firewall (if any) and what Antivirus program do you use?
What other stuff is active and running? It could be something not related to EVE at all causing this.
Maybe that particular thing that made previous software repair is still there and behind all this?
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Interscene
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.25 15:53:00 -
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Edited by: Interscene on 25/09/2008 15:54:19 Edited by: Interscene on 25/09/2008 15:53:44
Originally by: Leelo Atriedes What flavour of Windows? What firewall (if any) and what Antivirus program do you use?
What other stuff is active and running? It could be something not related to EVE at all causing this.
Maybe that particular thing that made previous software repair is still there and behind all this?
Its Windows XP, SP2. I'm using an otherwise quite stable Norton Internet Securities 2008. Running nothing else in the background except MSN occasionally.
Aaand that previous XP installation repair disaster was such a bad one that I had to comepletely install a new copy on another hard-drive and delete the windows off the old, can't imagine there's any problems from the old one - it's the new I'm worried about.
Only thing to note is that I do have a problem with my firewall, when I used to run programs like EVEmon it BSOD my PC (resource conflict, I think), Norton technician advised me to set the firewall rule "File-sharing" to allow. Checking the internet events log shows no traffic to and from the PC except EVE and MSN when this spaz attack starts. Whatever it is Might not be EVE related but it happens when EVE is running. Definately no Malware on my computer.
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Leelo Atriedes
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.09.25 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 25/09/2008 17:21:27 Edited by: Leelo Atriedes on 25/09/2008 17:21:00 My own (and from other geek friends around the Net) experience is that any Norton product is real system Hogs and consume way too much pc performance.
I wouldnŠt let any of their consumer products near my pc...ever.
I'm willing to bet 10 USD that if you do a fresh install, skip all Norton installations and go for other, free antivirus products (AVG, Antivir and Avast! for example) and similar in firewalls, you wouldn't have any problems at all.
It's up to you Mate to take on the challenge...
If you decide not to take my advice, try looking for any other installed program - anything that might use USB-ports, "mount tools" like Daemon Tools, anything. Make a list of what you have installed and remove anything not needed.
Edit: One thing to try with Norton still installed, is to turn off any "online scanning" or whatever they call the function that checks files as you go.
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Interscene
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.09.25 19:28:00 -
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I have no qualms about kicking off the Norton and Avast looks good - but I can't find a decent Firewall.
I do a bit of IRC work and need to help my friends with FTP of websites, so I can often have a lot of ports open and need something good at intrusion detection.
Can you recomend a decent free firewall? (Panda looks nice, but without recomendation I'm not paying for the full product).
However. Norton hasn't been a resource ***** to me before now, I've only 26 processes running atm and as soon as I close EVE the services returns to normal (ie; Zero).
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Leilla Mac
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.09.26 06:40:00 -
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Edited by: Leilla Mac on 26/09/2008 06:44:40 I'd give Comodo firewall a shot it constantly gets the best score in Industry leak tests has great support, a forum and is free forever.
Oh and if you end up uninstalling Norton check out if there is an uninstaller on the symantic site for your version , I know some previous versions were a pain to remove and often killed your net connection.
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Elysarian
Minmatar dudetruck corp
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Posted - 2008.09.28 07:48:00 -
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To add to the above replies:
Norton is widely agreed not to play nice with gaming machines, in other gaming forums the exact same problem has been reported and traced down to NAV leaking memory when a game accesses files on the HDD (most games do a LOT of reading of small files & Eve is no exception here) - every time you read a file it gets scanned for virii by the realtime scan engine but the memory isn't always freed up correctly - end result: you run out of resources.
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Khlitouris RegusII
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Posted - 2008.09.29 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Interscene Edited by: Interscene on 25/09/2008 15:54:19 Edited by: Interscene on 25/09/2008 15:53:44
Originally by: Leelo Atriedes What flavour of Windows? What firewall (if any) and what Antivirus program do you use?
What other stuff is active and running? It could be something not related to EVE at all causing this.
Maybe that particular thing that made previous software repair is still there and behind all this?
I'm using That absolutely bloated piece of shite Norton Internet Securities 2008.
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Interscene
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:15:00 -
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I think you are all assigning too much blame to Norton - I clearly said the problem was with windows and services.exe.
I used Hijack this to kill a few extra processes and background parts of the windows program and its drastically got services to something reasonable. During gameplay of EVE Services maxes at about 4% CPU usage now. It must have been some idle piece of rubbish process as part of windows that'd been activated recently by something and now does something to something that needs something. Vague, because I have no idea.
No Norton Process was causing the drain and the Norton logs which I was obessively checking... guess what, all together now "The Logs Show Nothing." NIS 2008 really has behaved itself quite well and hasn't been a ***** to me so far.
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Interscene
Minmatar E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:17:00 -
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Wait, I just noticed the word filter. I can say shit, but they censor *****?
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Leelo Atriedes
Amarr Viziam
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Posted - 2008.10.05 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Interscene I think you are all assigning too much blame to Norton - I clearly said the problem was with windows and services.exe.
I used Hijack this to kill a few extra processes and background parts of the windows program and its drastically got services to something reasonable. During gameplay of EVE Services maxes at about 4% CPU usage now. It must have been some idle piece of rubbish process as part of windows that'd been activated recently by something and now does something to something that needs something. Vague, because I have no idea.
No Norton Process was causing the drain and the Norton logs which I was obessively checking... guess what, all together now "The Logs Show Nothing." NIS 2008 really has behaved itself quite well and hasn't been a ***** to me so far.
Maybe Norton has gotten its shit together nowadays? Slim and with small system footprint isn't what springs to mind on the subject...
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Blue Binary
Polychoron
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Posted - 2008.10.06 04:43:00 -
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Using Process Explorer it reveals (on my system) that the 'Services.exe' process is running the 'Plug & Play' host service and the 'Event Log' service. There are quite a few services that rely on Plug & Play running. Does the Event Viewer reveal any problems?
Using Process Explorer right click on the 'Services.exe' process and select the 'threads' tab to see what DLL is consuming the CPU cycles. Click on 'module' to identify the what the DLL belongs to (be very careful about terminating the offending DLL!). See Mark's blog below for more details.
Some suggestions to try:
- One of Mark Russinovich's blogs shows how to pin down a resource hog using Process Explorer.
- To restrict the process that is hogging the CPU try setting the CPU affinity to the first 3 cores and reserving the 4th core for Eve to give it some breathing space.
Looking for a Firewall? Judge for yourself from these tests.
I personally use Comodo Firewall (free) and Kaspersky Anti-Virus combo. Install Comodo before Kaspersky AV and make sure you disable the ProActive Defense on Kaspersky AV to allow the Comodo HIPS to function properly. I use Kaspersky AV for basic AV/Malware duties otherwise it can cause compatability problems with Comodo.
Good luck.
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