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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 00:57:00 -
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...should be disabled when you are warp scrambled/in siege mode/triage/carebear industrial transformer mode. Also, remove insurance for self destruction, you have after all, committed a fraud.
RP Reason:
Self destruct mechanism activates an overload in the warp core. The warp core is nullified by warp disruptors yes?
Due to a crashing of the interstellar economy (lol real life parallels) insurance companies are tightening their belts and revoking insurance for all ships which are self destructed (also bring in removal for concord, which is what people wanted instead of the uberlol buff)
Proper Reason:
Gives people the illusion that they have a way out. Is somewhat irritating trying to negotiate with someone and they hit the self destruct when they are in hull anyway. I've never had much of a problem with not being able to kill stuff in time, but in certain cases (capitals etc) it can be hard to take one down in two minutes (not that it's happened to me).
Carebears I can understand but I find it pretty lame that certain types of players (so called pvpers) can bring themselves to do it to deny killmails and loots.
I'm not butthurt over some lost kill btw. Just would like to see a change, what say you fellow forum trolls? Calm Your Passion |
Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 00:57:00 -
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...should be disabled when you are warp scrambled/in siege mode/triage/carebear industrial transformer mode. Also, remove insurance for self destruction, you have after all, committed a fraud.
RP Reason:
Self destruct mechanism activates an overload in the warp core. The warp core is nullified by warp disruptors yes?
Due to a crashing of the interstellar economy (lol real life parallels) insurance companies are tightening their belts and revoking insurance for all ships which are self destructed (also bring in removal for concord, which is what people wanted instead of the uberlol buff)
Proper Reason:
Gives people the illusion that they have a way out. Is somewhat irritating trying to negotiate with someone and they hit the self destruct when they are in hull anyway. I've never had much of a problem with not being able to kill stuff in time, but in certain cases (capitals etc) it can be hard to take one down in two minutes (not that it's happened to me).
Carebears I can understand but I find it pretty lame that certain types of players (so called pvpers) can bring themselves to do it to deny killmails and loots.
I'm not butthurt over some lost kill btw. Just would like to see a change, what say you fellow forum trolls? Calm Your Passion |
Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:04:00 -
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Removing insurance for it is one thing, but disabling it while in combat is another. By self-destructing you deny people any loot IIRC. If someone has the will to scuttle their own ship, they should get something out of it, such as the knowledge that their opponent doesn't profit off of their death.
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:04:00 -
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Removing insurance for it is one thing, but disabling it while in combat is another. By self-destructing you deny people any loot IIRC. If someone has the will to scuttle their own ship, they should get something out of it, such as the knowledge that their opponent doesn't profit off of their death.
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Arvald
Caldari Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:06:00 -
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aaaw someone get denied a killmail? suck it up ya sissy no one wants to hear about how badly you suck at killing people
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Faife
Minmatar Kinda'Shujaa
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:06:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler I'm [...] butthurt
aw sweetie, i'm so sorry. cmere, i'll give you a huggles - - - i am a humble and inefficent ammo to dps converter |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:11:00 -
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smells like a stealth insurance whine ? remember carebears arn't people they are flying pinyata's
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Hotice
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:18:00 -
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I think there should be an option for a 5 sec count down self destruct that doesn't have insurance payout. As for disable self destruct, that shouldn't be done since you have no control from somebody overload their core. You only make them unable to go into warp not stop the the warp core from running.
If somebody want to self destruct, they should be able to choose when, where and how fast. After all, it is their ship.
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:22:00 -
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overloading the self destruct system ?
future feature.. you head it here first
bigger ships take longer to self destruct sinec there vast size in shippy ness has more system to overload
frigates are say 20 seconds
up to titans 10 minutes ?
CCP pay me at least some isk for my idea !!
remember carebears arn't people they are flying pinyata's
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:23:00 -
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Originally by: Arvald aaaw someone get denied a killmail? suck it up ya sissy no one wants to hear about how badly you suck at killing people
Actually I ran into a an old acquaintance who tackled a carrier solo at a planet in a Rapier, before backup could arrive the carrier self destructed. If someone is stupid enough to get into a situation where some hugely valuable ship is tackled then they shouldn't be able to deny the person who has caught them any loots or at the very least they should not be able to proft from suiciding. Calm Your Passion |
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Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:24:00 -
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by aquatience you mean you main right remember carebears arn't people they are flying pinyata's
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Artemis Rose
Varion Galactic Accord Corporate Enterprise Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:25:00 -
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As a highly trained pod pilot, I think I would be embarrassed if I somehow couldn't fake my own ship death to fool the insurance company.
Personally, of all the changes you could do the system, I just want loot to drop like a normal wreck. Forget the killmail, give me some loot!
*** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:25:00 -
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I think we should all have a button, that self destructs the target ship.
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Paramite Pies
Minmatar Kasrkin Innovative Assembly
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf I think we should all have a button, that self destructs the target ship.
This. __________________ Signature currently offline, until I find good content. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf I think we should all have a button, that self destructs the target ship.
maybe there should i will call it doomsday carebears are flying pinyatas
my killboard stats
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:26:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C by aquatience you mean you main right
I wish, the sheer lulz generated would have been worth more than any km/loots. Calm Your Passion |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:30:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler stuff
dont feel sad just remember to blob next time carebears are flying pinyatas
my killboard stats
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C
Originally by: Larkonis Trassler stuff
dont feel sad just remember to blob next time
Will do, and I'll make sure it's not with T1 BS Calm Your Passion |
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Larkonis Trassler
Carebears I can understand but I find it pretty lame that certain types of players (so called pvpers) can bring themselves to do it to deny killmails and loots.
Why?
experienced player has more reason to if hes tryin to deny his attacker isk, carebears probably just in wrong place at wrong time
Think seriously on this
Is your personal dislike of this feature really reason enough to remove it? -----------------
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Paramite Pies
Minmatar Kasrkin Innovative Assembly
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:42:00 -
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I want my ship to self destruct instantly! Don't even give my crew enough time to get to the escape pods. __________________ Signature currently offline, until I find good content. |
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Korizan
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:48:00 -
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Edited by: Korizan on 25/09/2008 01:49:27
Actually I find 0 valid reasons to stop people from self destructing. And for a little RP on it. Well any person who has watched any Star Trek will know the last course was always self destruct to prevent the enemy from getting valuable equipment.
And as far as insurance well sure, lets remove insurance for self destruction which is effectively suicide BUT You must also remove insurance for suicide squads as that is also suicide. So no insurance for suicide gank squads and no insurance for self destruction.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Korizan Edited by: Korizan on 25/09/2008 01:49:27
Actually I find 0 valid reasons to stop people from self destructing. And for a little RP on it. Well any person who has watched any Star Trek will know the last course was always self destruct to prevent the enemy from getting valuable equipment.
And as far as insurance well sure, lets remove insurance for self destruction which is effectively suicide BUT You must also remove insurance for suicide squads as that is also suicide. So no insurance for suicide gank squads and no insurance for self destruction.
There we go. This.
No insurance if you blow yourself up, and no insurance if you break the law and the cops come and kill you.
Its nice and fair and well rounded ^_^
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rofflesausage
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:52:00 -
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Nope, leave it as it is.
There is nothing more satisfying that annoying people with self destruct. The amount of smack talk I've had off pirates over it is hilarious. It's better than destroying a carebears CNR for the lulz.
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Christari Zuborov
Amarr Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:52:00 -
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Edited by: Christari Zuborov on 25/09/2008 01:53:34 I don't care much that someone self destructs their ship - however - I think it should take their pod out with them. There should be a cost to self destruction, currently there's no cost where there should be some reward to the attacker.
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a r0id
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:54:00 -
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Other than the need to "medical jump" between empire--->0.0---->empire what other good reason does self-destruct exsist?
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Larkonis Trassler
Neo Spartans
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Posted - 2008.09.25 01:56:00 -
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Originally by: Korizan Edited by: Korizan on 25/09/2008 01:49:27
Actually I find 0 valid reasons to stop people from self destructing. And for a little RP on it. Well any person who has watched any Star Trek will know the last course was always self destruct to prevent the enemy from getting valuable equipment.
And as far as insurance well sure, lets remove insurance for self destruction which is effectively suicide BUT You must also remove insurance for suicide squads as that is also suicide. So no insurance for suicide gank squads and no insurance for self destruction.
Reread my poast, I suggested this.
I think sding one's ship in combat at the moment is having one's cake and eating it, you deny the enemy their km/loots and also get insurance payout. Calm Your Passion |
Korizan
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Posted - 2008.09.25 02:02:00 -
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Killmails. That is what it really is all about.
Change a entire system for self gratification and an e-peen.
And self destruct uses the same odds as getting blown up as far as loot. And for someone to self destruct don't they need like 2 minutes to do that ???
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.25 02:09:00 -
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First of all, getting a killmail or not is irrelevant.
There is a counter to self destruct. Killing the enemy faster than the self destruct completes.
Combat almost NEVER happens in eve unless its one sided. Its just not good sense to fight if you aren't sure (or at least very confident) that you can win. Thats just how it is.
If anything self destruct is the equalizer. Even if you cant win, if you can keep things togeather long enough to blow yourself up, you can enjoy a minor victory.
Think of it as tic tac toe. The Os can not win unless the Xs are complete idiots. A victory for O is just stalemating.
And you know, don't you... Its infuriating. The other guy he still lost his ship, and his stuff. But he won, didn't he? You lost. Because you set out to destroy him, and he prevented it. He could not fight, he could not run, but he could keep you from winning.
So there it is. Thats how you can still win even if the odds are stacked against you. You don't have to just sit there and wait to get destroyed because the other people were 'skilled enough' to bring a ship or a gang capable of certain victory, you can still do something.
Its a victory for the guy who destructed, that he did not let things go your way. He had his freedoms removed from him the moment he was scrambled. But he maintained the ability to make a choice, so he WINS.
It is only a loss for you however, if you attacked for certain reasons. For other reasons its still a victory.
Look at the reasons you would attack another ship. If it matters to you if they self destruct or if you land the last hit, then that's your problem. If it doesn't matter, then you have legitimate reasons to shoot at people.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2008.09.25 02:11:00 -
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What is should do is come with a risk, double the fee from the cloners for abuse of their services. Risk of losing skillpoints due to faulty uploads. Suicide is only painless when you're not around to clean up the mess.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.09.25 02:14:00 -
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Originally by: Danton Marcellus What is should do is come with a risk, double the fee from the cloners for abuse of their services. Risk of losing skillpoints due to faulty uploads. Suicide is only painless when you're not around to clean up the mess.
Ok. Then make the self destruct button instantaneous. You want to make it costly to do it, then ensure anyone who wants to pay the price for pride can collect.
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