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Si Raven
Raven's Toy Production
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Posted - 2008.09.25 22:01:00 -
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Hello,
I'm looking to build a new computer and I was thinking of building a high spec 1 for once, with an Intel Q9450 or Q9550 and an ATI 4870. I've seen a few posts with people having 8GB of RAM but they don't mention their motherboard.
I was thinking of going with 8GB of Corsair DDR2 PC2-8500 and a Gigabyte P35 motherboard but now I'm reading they don't support 8GB of 1066 and what they do support isn't that stable. Moving on, the Intel P45 chipset supposedly supports up to 16GB, but the Gigabyte web site is a bit vague on which 2GB modules are supported.
Can anyone recommend a motherboard that they know will support 8GB please? I would also like to stick with DDR2 at 1066, I don't see the need for DDR3 just yet and DDR2 is cheap.
I'm planing on installing Vista 64 and 64bit Linux. Cheers for any advice you can give.
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CynoAlt1
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.25 22:04:00 -
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The motherboard will have specifications on what RAM it supports. Just stick in 8GB of the fastest RAM the board will support. Having all four RAM slots filled might cause stability problems if you overclock your CPU, but it's so slight that it's pretty much a non-issue.
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Buff Plankchest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.25 22:07:00 -
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And make sure Vista doesn't bottleneck it 
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.09.26 02:07:00 -
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If you don't mind Vista taking up 1gb of your ram, even on classic mode, go ahead and use it. Otherwise, stick to XP.
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SengH
Black Omega Security
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.09.26 04:30:00 -
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Shuttle sx38 with 8gb ram Q9450 no issues here vid card is a 4850 if that matters...
Oh and vista will use up all memory you throw at it due to the precaching that it does.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.09.26 05:05:00 -
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Not really answering your Q at all, but:
Imo, 8 gigs is utter overkill for almost any consumer application, so you don't 'need' it except for future proofing, unless you're trying to keep the computer for a few years. However, by the time 8 gigs is helpful, you'll likely need to buy a new cpu and mobo and vid card to significantly benefit from the 8 gigs. Ram space over 4 gigs doesn't really offer any major advantages I can think of, unless your doing some funky VMs or MASSIVE Photoshop scratchpads stuff.
Personally, I'd spend more money on a faster/feature rich part of the computer. The immediate benefit will be obvious rather than waiting for a nebulous future where you 'might' benefit.
just sayin'...
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Grimpak
Gallente
Trinity Nova
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.26 08:19:00 -
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I would prefer to invest in a top-of-the line mobo, for future proofing than slap the most ram you can in it.
that said, X48 intel chipset all the way.
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CynoAlt1
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.26 08:46:00 -
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Originally by: Mr Friendly
Not really answering your Q at all, but:
Imo, 8 gigs is utter overkill for almost any consumer application, so you don't 'need' it except for future proofing, unless you're trying to keep the computer for a few years. However, by the time 8 gigs is helpful, you'll likely need to buy a new cpu and mobo and vid card to significantly benefit from the 8 gigs. Ram space over 4 gigs doesn't really offer any major advantages I can think of, unless your doing some funky VMs or MASSIVE Photoshop scratchpads stuff.
Personally, I'd spend more money on a faster/feature rich part of the computer. The immediate benefit will be obvious rather than waiting for a nebulous future where you 'might' benefit.
just sayin'...
8GB of RAM allows you to run Windows without a swap file.
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Kai Zion
The Zion Accounts
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Posted - 2008.09.26 09:20:00 -
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If you're planning on doing any 3D rendering and similarly intensive work (3DS Max etc), then 8GB will help you there too.
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MalVortex
Reaper Industries
Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.09.26 09:58:00 -
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Anything more than 4GB of total system ram is unaddressable in a 32 bit environment. 64bit is required to actually use that much ram. You seem to already have selected such, but just making sure.
Actual motherboards will vary in their support. Make sure they can run the ram your buying, with the slot layout your choosing, without bandwidth or speed reductions. I haven't built or looked at motherboards for such a purpose, but a little googling should tell you all you need really.
Gl w/ the build.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.26 12:15:00 -
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Originally by: MalVortex
Anything more than 4GB of total system ram is unaddressable in a 32 bit environment. 64bit is required to actually use that much ram. You seem to already have selected such, but just making sure.
That is 100% wrong. It's just a limitation of consumer Windows OSes, the x86 CPUs themselves have supported PAE since the Pentium Pro AFAIR and Linux and Windows 2000 Datacenter Server have supported much more than 4GB for many years.
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.09.26 12:22:00 -
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Edited by: Pan Crastus on 26/09/2008 12:24:01
Originally by: Si Raven
Hello,
I'm looking to build a new computer and I was thinking of building a high spec 1 for once, with an Intel Q9450 or Q9550 and an ATI 4870. I've seen a few posts with people having 8GB of RAM but they don't mention their motherboard.
I was thinking of going with 8GB of Corsair DDR2 PC2-8500 and a Gigabyte P35 motherboard but now I'm reading they don't support 8GB of 1066 and what they do support isn't that stable. Moving on, the Intel P45 chipset supposedly supports up to 16GB, but the Gigabyte web site is a bit vague on which 2GB modules are supported.
Can anyone recommend a motherboard that they know will support 8GB please? I would also like to stick with DDR2 at 1066, I don't see the need for DDR3 just yet and DDR2 is cheap.
I'm planing on installing Vista 64 and 64bit Linux. Cheers for any advice you can give.
As an approximate rule:
- if the manufacturer states 16GB support, you should be fine with 8GB
- if you are running very power-hungry CPUs and other components, you might get in trouble with a fully populated board. I've seen server boards with supported CPUs and all memory slots filled dying under load...
Personally, I'd go for the Gigabyte GA-EP43-* ... (claims 16GB support)
PS. since you are unsure about the memory to buy - it's always best to stick with the motherboard manufacturer's recommendations.
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2008.09.26 15:46:00 -
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I'm using an Asus P5Q PRO motherboard, but with only 2GB of RAM at the moment. It works great with Vista 64.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:18:00 -
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I have 1 GB of RAM and that makes me ALMOST want to upgrade to 2 GB of RAM. But only almost.
It's not the cash, it's the "go buy, open the machine up and pluck it in". The added benefit is so small it's not worth that little hassle.
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Spider Silva
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Posted - 2008.09.26 17:40:00 -
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i have had 8gb ram since august 2007, i run an asus commando motherboard, it is a very fast machine with a quad core cpu and its a pleasure to use compared to any other machine, she boots up ready to use in about 5 seconds and she shuts down in 2 seconds flat, she can run multiple things at once with no slowdown whatsoever, well worth it.
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Verone
Gallente
Veto Corp
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Posted - 2008.09.26 18:54:00 -
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Originally by: CynoAlt1
The motherboard will have specifications on what RAM it supports. Just stick in 8GB of the fastest RAM the board will support. Having all four RAM slots filled might cause stability problems if you overclock your CPU, but it's so slight that it's pretty much a non-issue.
8 Gig of OCZ 1333 DDR3, overclocked to 2000MHz @ 2.1v, and a Q6600 heavily overclocked. Vista Ultimate 64, no issues here.
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The TX
Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:09:00 -
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Originally by: Verone
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Pwett
Minmatar
QUANT Corp.
QUANT Hegemony
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: CynoAlt1
8GB of RAM allows you to run Windows without a swap file.
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
Also, unless you use XP 64, you won't be able to make use of more than 3 gigs (assuming you're not using Vista)
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Gallente
Pulsar Combat Supplies
Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.09.26 20:17:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Originally by: CynoAlt1
8GB of RAM allows you to run Windows without a swap file.
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
Also, unless you use XP 64, you won't be able to make use of more than 3 gigs (assuming you're not using Vista)
I has XP x64, and I has 4GiggleyBits.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.27 02:57:00 -
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Stuff you can shove into 1 GB of RAM
Picture is actually two separate screenshots, the second one also has MSPaint open with the first screenshot pasted in (that's where the commit charge difference is coming from).
That's 2 instances of EVE running (classic client, both in space), Autocad 2006 with a drawing open, Kaspersky, Yahoo Messenger, Googletalk, EVE-Mon, Azureus and Opera with this particular thread open (and in the second part on the right, also a MSPaint with a 1600x1200x32bit image loaded).
Yeah, it gets nasty when I try to keep EVE open for a longer period of time when I ALSO have several DOC/XLS/PDF files open alongside several Autocad drawings, but then again, how often do you play EVE *while* working ? (ungh, don't answer that, it's a rethorical question dammit)
Now... tell me... what the hell do I need more than 1 GB of RAM for ?
Seriously ?
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.27 03:04:00 -
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I run 2 eve accounts sit on 2 vents, and 1 team talk, watch HD movies, and play games on N64 emulators while also browsing the forums and running various torrent programs. That is my usual load. On top of that I also run a few excel sheets now and then and I am always popping things into various CS3 apps or MSpaint.
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.09.27 03:10:00 -
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And your peak mem usage is, what, 1.5 GB ? 
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pwnedgato
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Posted - 2008.09.27 05:17:00 -
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nope I peak around 3 something. Which is cool I have 4gb. I can't be arsed to prune processes or services.
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.09.27 08:52:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 27/09/2008 08:54:02
IP35 motherboard.
Overclocked Q6600 to 3.31GHz
8GB of DDR2 RAM
Vista 64bit Pro
2 x 4870
300GB Raptor (running vista and clients)
1TB Samsung (runs XP Pro and general storage)
Did everything it told me to in here.
Running Vista 64
Never crashed!
I've run 3 EVE clients in Premium while rending in C4D in the background.
Actually I bet its the same as Verones set up with regard to OC.
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Si Raven
Raven's Toy Production
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Posted - 2008.09.28 11:36:00 -
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Edited by: Si Raven on 28/09/2008 11:42:27
Sorry I haven't replied to this thread before but I've been busy with work. Many of the responses were very disappointing though. I thought there might be a few hardcore hardware experts on these forums that would have experience with large amounts of RAM & 64 bit computing. With 15 years experience of commercial M$ programming, I know M$ 32bit software loves RAM!
So, rant over, it seems maybe my 1st choice of mb was a bit low spec. I'm now thinking of maybe a P43/P45/X48 chipset.
Thanks to those that responded with motherboard suggestions, and I suppose I should thank those who got distracted by the 8GB and kept this thread on the 1st page. 
Originally by: Verone
8 Gig of OCZ 1333 DDR3, overclocked to 2000MHz @ 2.1v, and a Q6600 heavily overclocked. Vista Ultimate 64, no issues here.
Yes, I know it's possible, but those that claim it always forget to mention their motherboard! 
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CynoAlt1
Lyrus Associates
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.09.28 12:34:00 -
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Originally by: Pwett
Originally by: CynoAlt1
8GB of RAM allows you to run Windows without a swap file.
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
No, No, No, No, No, No, No
Also, unless you use XP 64, you won't be able to make use of more than 3 gigs (assuming you're not using Vista)
I was making the implicit assumption that Windows could address all the RAM. Pedant. 
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TimMc
Gallente
The Motley Crew
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Posted - 2008.09.28 12:39:00 -
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Edited by: TimMc on 28/09/2008 12:41:19
I use 8GB of ram on my 64bit Vista. Motherboard currently is a Gigabyte P45. Very solid and supports up to 16GB.
Windows 32bit versions only support up to 3.5GB. Doesn't really need anything more than that anyway. 64bit on the otherhand can.
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Valan
The Fated
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Posted - 2008.09.28 13:16:00 -
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Edited by: Valan on 28/09/2008 13:20:24
Originally by: Si Raven
Yes, I know it's possible, but those that claim it always forget to mention their motherboard!
If he got it from OC it'll prolly be the Asus IP35 Pro same as mine. They sell a guide and overclocking bundle for that board. There are plenty of others out there that will do it.
The link I posted shows how Vista 64 bit can be configured to use 8GB on any motherboard. It's just parameter changes on the OS. Even with overclocking my CPU the system remains stable so as far as I'm aware that takes care of your concerns.
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VaderDSL
Personal Vendetta
Vendetta Alliance.
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Posted - 2008.09.28 14:09:00 -
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The x58's are out soon, granted they'll cost quite a lot, but most of them will be using tri-channel DDR3
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