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Dreknid Khan
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.26 22:39:00 -
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One of my first experiences after the 1.1 update was having one of my newish alts attacked while mining in a 0.9 system. The attacker was also newish and didn't do meaningful damage. I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
no Concord response while I was being blasted. I could have died a dozen times in that half minute. If I were really a newb I think I'd leave a game that permitted this abuse of new players.
So let's get real. Peeps who gank don't care about faction loss...why would they? I'm an industrialist, and I don't give a crap about faction standings. If I turned pirate, would I care more?
As things stand, there is still no real punishment for ganking. What would be real? Fine them 90% of their net worth (including value of property) for each and every incident. Since they will hide stuff with alts to get around that...also ground them for a month for each incident. Too harsh? How about, force them to reimburse each victim for 110% of losses for each incident.
Bottom line...if CCP wants to get real, they need to remove the profit motive. Anything less is bull.
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Aesynil
Caldari The Unit...
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Posted - 2008.09.26 22:56:00 -
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The thing is, CCP isn't -trying- to stop suicide ganking, or attacks in high sec-space. If they were, it'd be very simple. They would not allow you to fire a shot on another player while in high sec space. It would be -overwhelmingly- easy to code in. They're not even trying to make it unprofitable. They just made it so that the suicide ganking process went from leaving you at absoloutely zero loss due to the ease of destroying a ship with insurance payouts (Aka, suicide gankers paid nearly nothing) to needing more and more ISK the bigger the target. A.K.A., a suicide ganker needs to pay more cash, bring more buddies, and fit better ships to take down more valuable prey.
Members of the CCP dev team have been quoted saying that high security safe is not meant to be 100% safe. They have been quoted saying that Concord doesn't provide safety, but consequences. I swear they put that tagline into the patch you're referring to, but I could be wrong. It's the nature of the game. Adjust to it, or suffer. A lot.
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Crazy Tasty
Beyond Divinity Inc
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:05:00 -
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Ignorant post, no place in any PvP oriented MMO should ever be completely safe, no matter what. I'll start reimbursing people I kill about the same time they put a price limit on mods + cargo you can have on a ship.
If you have an issue with ganking or unwanted/forced PvP I suggest WoW or some other carebear heaven. ------ // This is by design. When a ship jumps through a gate, it clears all aggression. // - BH ******** Pew on gate, if it gets hot, jump through and Ctrl-Q. Game mechanic endorsed by CCP. |
Spectre Wraith
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:10:00 -
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You should stick to single player games.
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Kale Murrow
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:13:00 -
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1/10
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Xi Tzu
Amarr Relentless Storm Cartel
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:14:00 -
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Originally by: Crazy Tasty Ignorant post, no place in any PvP oriented MMO should ever be completely safe, no matter what. I'll start reimbursing people I kill about the same time they put a price limit on mods + cargo you can have on a ship.
If you have an issue with ganking or unwanted/forced PvP I suggest WoW or some other carebear heaven.
This
Oh and o7 to Beyond Divinity... you guys realy keep me on my toes
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:37:00 -
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OP was probably can switched or something.
Concord response times in a 0.9 are around 4 seconds
SKUNK
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:41:00 -
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Originally by: Kale Murrow 1/10
I agree, quite phaile!
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Buff Plankchest
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.09.26 23:45:00 -
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0.5 out of 10 more like.
... and gb2wow
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Warrio
Southern Cross Incorporated Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.09.27 02:22:00 -
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2
Seen worse, but definitely seen alot better.
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Sin Fae
Income Redistribution Service
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Posted - 2008.09.27 07:24:00 -
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Dreknid, as a Professional Ore Thief, I am offended you are offended at being agressed in a .9 system.
So lets get real. Defend what you claim as yours, else it is mine.
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Antoine Lefevre
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
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Posted - 2008.09.27 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Spectre Wraith You should stick to single player games.
this
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.27 13:57:00 -
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Originally by: Dreknid Khan One of my first experiences after the 1.1 update was having one of my newish alts attacked while mining in a 0.9 system. The attacker was also newish and didn't do meaningful damage. I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
no Concord response while I was being blasted. I could have died a dozen times in that half minute. If I were really a newb I think I'd leave a game that permitted this abuse of new players.
So let's get real. Peeps who gank don't care about faction loss...why would they? I'm an industrialist, and I don't give a crap about faction standings. If I turned pirate, would I care more?
As things stand, there is still no real punishment for ganking. What would be real? Fine them 90% of their net worth (including value of property) for each and every incident. Since they will hide stuff with alts to get around that...also ground them for a month for each incident. Too harsh? How about, force them to reimburse each victim for 110% of losses for each incident.
Bottom line...if CCP wants to get real, they need to remove the profit motive. Anything less is bull.
what the ****???? are people STILL SERIOUSLY *****ing about suicide ganking? its not enough that in like .7-1.0 space you are 100% safe, your STILL *****ING???? just
SHUT THE **** UP
the punishment is a really hard security hit
i went from 1.7 sec status to -0.50 with ONE Pod kill a few weeks ago, and that is doubled in high security, AND the higher sec status of the victim, the HARSHER the penalty is for attacking them, why cant you just live with that? i mean seriously, WoW is that way, eve was built to be a cold non-forgiving world, and CCP has already moved away from that with the security buff, they need to make pvp easier now, not make the entire world safer, its safe enough as it is
you pvp, you can ransom people for hundereds of millions, get potential faction drops, bounties, ect. BUUT you yourself are also a target, and can be made one just as easily
its risk vs. reward, you want perfect safety? go to 1.0 space and suck rocks for the rest of your eve life, and you will be fine, you want the shiny omber? you have to deal with the 1 in 1,000,000 chance you are going to get attacked now
you also said it yourself that the character was a newb, and probably 50% of noobs that start the game do something stupid like that, its called learning, you cant deal with the fact that you took **gasps, OMG** at most half shield damage, you need help, you didnt die, the newb got "penalized" (although, i think that you shouldnt take a sec hit for your first aggresion in-game if you attack someone and are in a velator, or other noobship within 72 hours of first creating your account, should still get concorded, but maybe it could also be a trigger for a tutorial that explains aggression mechanics and such)
and he learned a lesson, now there is also a chance that since he got concorded, he is either going to leave because he thinks pvp isnt allowed anywhere at all, that he's going to take his lesson and nbecome a high sec dweller for the rest of his eve life, or be the 1 out of 1000 that think "you konw, that was pretty fun, some day im GOING to kill that poor helpless bastard, someday . . . . . . . ., muhahahahahaha" and become a pvper
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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soldieroffortune 258
Gallente Trinity Council
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Posted - 2008.09.27 14:01:00 -
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Originally by: Xi Tzu
Originally by: Crazy Tasty Ignorant post, no place in any PvP oriented MMO should ever be completely safe, no matter what. I'll start reimbursing people I kill about the same time they put a price limit on mods + cargo you can have on a ship.
If you have an issue with ganking or unwanted/forced PvP I suggest WoW or some other carebear heaven.
This
Oh and o7 to Beyond Divinity... you guys realy keep me on my toes
yes, they have been attacking my corp nearly every time we go into low sec . . . .
but, again its LOW SEC, and we are not *****ing, just plotting revenge, muhahahahahahahahahaha, muHAHAHAHAHA. . . . . .
(joke, dont war dec us, pleasse)
Originally by: soldieroffortune 258
"Eve is about making yourself richer while making the other guy poorer"
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Deitre Cibrus
You're Doing It Wrong
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Posted - 2008.09.27 14:29:00 -
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Originally by: Dreknid Khan One of my first experiences after the 1.1 update was having one of my newish alts attacked while mining in a 0.9 system. The attacker was also newish and didn't do meaningful damage. I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
no Concord response while I was being blasted. I could have died a dozen times in that half minute. If I were really a newb I think I'd leave a game that permitted this abuse of new players.
So let's get real. Peeps who gank don't care about faction loss...why would they? I'm an industrialist, and I don't give a crap about faction standings. If I turned pirate, would I care more?
As things stand, there is still no real punishment for ganking. What would be real? Fine them 90% of their net worth (including value of property) for each and every incident. Since they will hide stuff with alts to get around that...also ground them for a month for each incident. Too harsh? How about, force them to reimburse each victim for 110% of losses for each incident.
Bottom line...if CCP wants to get real, they need to remove the profit motive. Anything less is bull.
Oh dear =/ -----------
Originally by: Santiago Cortes Please don't derail your own thread.
What is this sig missing? Pretty colours? -Conuion Not true! Has plenty -Deitre
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Caldari'Imperial Emperor
Amarr Caldari Imperial Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.27 16:24:00 -
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further proof of Concord's incompetence and managing security in Empire, further proof that they are indeed puppets of the Corporations who seek to control all trade for themseves.
Right thinking Caldari should attack concord, let the police captains feel the pain. ------------------------
"I will avenge my forefathers, the oligarchs will drink tea, and i will have my vengeance for those that they have betrayed" |
Antarr Slagh
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.09.27 21:25:00 -
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"If you give a moose a muffin.." or so the children's book goes.
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MarleWH
Infortunatus Eventus Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.09.28 00:33:00 -
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Of course this can't be your fault for agressing him in the first place? And you did, or else CONCORD would have shown up.
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Doddy
Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.09.28 00:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dreknid Khan
So let's get real. Peeps who gank don't care about faction loss...why would they? I'm an industrialist, and I don't give a crap about faction standings. If I turned pirate, would I care more?
Being attacked by npcs every time you entered their hi sec wouldn't bother your industrialist ass?
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Gwendalyne
Caldari Angelic Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.28 00:59:00 -
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...Welcome To Eve.
"Videogames don't make People into RL Killers, but the People who make Videogames Killing into RL." |
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Venantius
Gallente Esto Perpetua
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Posted - 2008.09.28 01:52:00 -
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Best quote I ever read in eve, dont remember who said it:
"Eve is a harsh place, asking to be excused from that harshness will get you nothing but contempt (and references to Hello Kitty Online)."
Concord didnt respond which means YOU did something to the "attacker"
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2008.09.28 04:28:00 -
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Originally by: Buff Plankchest 0.5 out of 10 more like.
... and gb2wow
I wasn't aware we were able to give fractions of a point, or I would have gone lower
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Lithalnas
Amarr Headcrabs
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Posted - 2008.09.28 04:38:00 -
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Quote: I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
um thats not suicide ganking, that was ether agro or war, if you die to agro or war that is an INTENDED and much NEEDED game mechanic. -------------
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Maximillian Bayonette
White Lion Manufacture and Salvage
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Posted - 2008.09.28 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: Lithalnas
Quote: I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
um thats not suicide ganking, that was ether agro or war, if you die to agro or war that is an INTENDED and much NEEDED game mechanic.
So's suicide ganking.
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Moya81
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Posted - 2008.09.29 12:53:00 -
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So let me get this straight, you got away unharmed and without loosing your ship yet you still made a post *****1ng about a game-mechanic you don't even understand? It's people like you that make me wish that stations could be blown up!
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Seeing EyeDog
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:30:00 -
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OP....quit your *****ing, and go the **** back to wow... |
Feilamya
Minmatar 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.09.29 17:46:00 -
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Someone didn't read the patch notes. Can flipping was not changed in the last patch. |
Thurken
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Posted - 2008.10.01 03:15:00 -
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Edited by: Thurken on 01/10/2008 03:16:26 I remember once trying to destroy a pod in my newbieship as my char some minutes old. I was shooting it for several minutes without doing harmful damage at all. Concord never showed up nor the sentries started to shoot me. The pilot in the pod had no aggression to me or was not an outlaw. Could be a game mechanic to new created charcters to prevent them to go for pods or something. Although I have never heard of something like this.
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ScaR97731
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Posted - 2008.10.01 08:09:00 -
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Edited by: ScaR97731 on 01/10/2008 08:09:58
Originally by: Dreknid Khan One of my first experiences after the 1.1 update was having one of my newish alts attacked while mining in a 0.9 system. The attacker was also newish and didn't do meaningful damage. I just warped away about 30 seconds after the attack started. But...
no Concord response while I was being blasted. I could have died a dozen times in that half minute. If I were really a newb I think I'd leave a game that permitted this abuse of new players.
So let's get real. Peeps who gank don't care about faction loss...why would they? I'm an industrialist, and I don't give a crap about faction standings. If I turned pirate, would I care more?
As things stand, there is still no real punishment for ganking. What would be real? Fine them 90% of their net worth (including value of property) for each and every incident. Since they will hide stuff with alts to get around that...also ground them for a month for each incident. Too harsh? How about, force them to reimburse each victim for 110% of losses for each incident.
Bottom line...if CCP wants to get real, they need to remove the profit motive. Anything less is bull.
Keep in mind that Pirates and other low-lives are nothing more than abused children acting out. Don't even attempt to reason with these animals because they are (as far as I can see ) trash. They are total trash. I'm certain that most of them are fat and girl-friendless, and I'm totally certain that most of them still wet the bed, and cries for mommies left udder for comfort.
These animals deserve nothing but contempt by all the respectable, hard-working EVE players, so don't take their childhood abuse, flashback, acting out on you personally. They honestly cannot behave themselves because of the serious emotional damage that all of them seem to be afflicted with. Just feel sorry for the little, stupid, homicidal animals, and go find a system that's more civilized to mine in.
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Elena Morin'staal
Minmatar Tau Online Explorator Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.01 08:26:00 -
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Welcome to Eve, WoW is >>>> that way etc.
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