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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
514
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:30:00 -
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Richard Aiel wrote:Aqriue wrote:Kirk: Spock...what is...your assessment? Spock: *checking tricorder* It seems to be a large quadruped Captain, and by examing the surroundings *looks over open fields* which I belive to be a draft animal on this planet. Kirk: That is...interesting...Spock....Bones...do you...concur. Bones: *picardfacepalm* Damn it Jim its a f*cking dead horse, its not a philosophical debate that we need to poke over and over. For f*cks sake, will you please call Scotty and get us off this miserable f*cking planet so I can get drunk. God damn, the only way to get through the damn sh*t this species will continuously obsess over is to just be in a drunk stupor for the rest of my life and its not helping my liver. Goon alt detected Sub intelligent meme quoter detected, owns special hardcore gaming keyboard set up for such an occasion.
But no, its over. To bad everyone just has to obsess over it like a Mass Effect fan whining about the ending of number three. |
Lane Shift
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
7
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:34:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination.
Felony terrorism. |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:35:00 -
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Obviously the only way to solve this dispute is a drunken gladiator match to the death.
Also, Mittani should be banned after the match. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:45:00 -
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baltec1 wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:He didn't threaten the wis, he simply encouraged some mild harassment (what some of you like to call cyber-bullying). Its wasnt even that. It was a drunken joke made by a guy wearing a wizard hat. It was an encouragement to harass someone, and this encouragement was made by a sociopath -- while wearing a wizard hat -- and just so happens to have a lot of influence. You may not see the difference, but most everyone else does.
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Zleon Leigh
113
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:12:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:You might take into account CCP is complicit in Mitt's drunken tirade. According to the media laws in Iceland, not only are they complicit, they are legally liable for having allowed Mitt access to their media to perform his tirade. What makes it difficult for CCP is it can be well documented that they knew what sort of person Mitt is, and they found him amusing. It can even be said they encouraged him to do what he did. CCP can't afford to pretend EVE isn't real. In the eyes of their local constabulatory, EVE is very real. So are the behinds in the sling. Think about it. They ban Mitt for life. Mitt sues. Boom
This is why you exercise CONTROL. Once competant authority peels back enough layers, they'll come to realize CCP has only exercised token control and in very arbitrary ways. This adds up to IRRESPONSIBILITY, something the authorities frown upon.
Suffice to say CCP is now engaged in damage control 'cause they let their little attack puppy off the leash.
'Course you might also say that CCP wanted to just get a bit of their own back after The Mittani got up in their grill last year.
So yeah, layers upon layers... or maybe just not
Incarna - Newest business example of mismanaged capital.
CCP - Continuing to gank independent PI producers every day |
Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:51:00 -
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the only thing that should ever perma ban you is RMT or cheating... words are words no matter how you put it. |
Disco Knightly
Atheism Personified
10
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:54:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination.
I might suggest simple human nature. People seem far more willing to punish an anonymous stranger than they are someone with whom they've had even a passing acquaintance. We seem to want to believe that they people in our lives are of good and upstanding character, and we'll try and justify away their imperfections to protect our own view of the world.
As I recall several senior CCP employees are former Goonswarm members (CCP Soundwave? CCP Screegs?) and from his 6th CSM role I'm certain that he had contact with many other employees. So one of the actors in this little digital drama was a known quantity, that the team passing judgement had interacted with and probably liked, while the other was simply some random butt-hole on the Internet.
I've seen people defend a convicted child pornographer, not out of any great personal affection, but because they had worked side-by-side with the guy for a few years. They just couldn't grasp that they didn't really know the guy and that he could be such a terrible person. (PLEASE NOTE: This is not some innuendo about the current situation, merely a personal anecdote to demonstrate what I'm talking about)
So it would seem that, like it or not, we are hardwired to mitigate the personal failings of the people we know and be far less charitable to those we don't.
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Recoil Happens
Debatable Results
38
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:58:00 -
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Mittens saved CCP from the Jita riots? How did I miss that? Oh, I guess it was his insult to CCP in his sig.
Actually, I took Hilmar's advice - I watched what CCP did and not what they said. - Just as I did in this newest Debacle.
I'm still parsing thru all the crap I missed while out of town to find out if mittens kept his word and resigned from from the CSM.
I thought his delay from his announcement to each new day was his hope to barter his CSM role for a reduction of a perma ban from CCP. And I'm not far enough into the reading of all the chest beating to see if that is what it looks like.
This has certainly been a great example of why the entire CSM is a bad idea. CCP's rep rides on the behavior of drunks in wizard hats.
CCP - HIRE A MARKETING FIRM TO QUERY THE MEMBERSHIP ABOUT WHAT THEY WANT AND THE DIRECTION THEY WANT FOR EVE.
A RIGGED ELECTION WITH 16% OF THE PLAYERS EVEN VOTING HAS NO VALIDITY!
oh yeah, I used caps, make a big deal out of it instead of addressing the issue.
Remember, the total number of votes for mittens just represents the margin of error for a study of the entire player population at this size. That any study of a group the size of this player base woud likely have a sampling error equalling the number of votes mittens received. The sampling error means the results could go that far either way and still be considered a feasible representation. Basically, that means the votes for mittens were statistically insignificant - just as the votes for all the others are equally insignificant. |
Jet Aeon
Two Smoking Barrels NightSong Directorate
20
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:12:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:the only thing that should ever perma ban you is RMT or cheating... words are words no matter how you put it. What about threats of violence? Those are just words too, but there are strict laws against it.
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OfBalance
Caldari State
382
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:18:00 -
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What a refreshing topic. |
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None ofthe Above
161
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:24:00 -
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OPs question was asked and answered before he asked.
Its done, its been dealt with. Time to move on. Go look at the dev blogs, killmails and battle reports... a lot more interesting things going on than to obsess over something that isn't going to change.
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Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
441
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:36:00 -
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When you compare apples to oranges it a Freudian slip for "lemon party". rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Plus 1
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
55
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:43:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. It's because he is Ginger. |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:55:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination.
In 1875 in the state of South Australia it was legal to beat your wife with a stick narrower than your thumb.
In 2012 in the state of Rhode Island it is illegal to verbally imply future use of violence against a partner.
I think this comparison is worth an examination. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:01:00 -
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Zirise wrote:
Harassment in game (regardless of someone's mental state) always comes with the option of walking away.
A death threat doesn't.
Neither does the guy if in his mental state he goes through with his suicidal thoughts. Thats kinda the point. Also, youre assuming that the person is acting rationally and realizes they have that option. I put the idea that if his metal health is damaged enough that he would be considering that OVER a video game that "just walking away" IE quitting (cause thats the only way he would be able to avoid the cyberbullying) night not be open to him in his irrational thought process https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Sister Rhode
Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation
21
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:02:00 -
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Since when are we aloud to discuss moderation on the forums? |
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
122
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:10:00 -
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humour
Quote:Humour or humor (see spelling differences) is the tendency of particular cognitive experiences to provoke laughter and provide amusement. The term derives from the humoral medicine of the ancient Greeks, which taught that the balance of fluids in the human body, known as humors (Latin: humor, "body fluid"), control human health and emotion.
The main problem might be, that all people understand something different as "humor". Making (primitiv) jokes about death and killing people might be funny for some, other can't even get a small smile out of them. And the next one doesn't see it as "humor" at all but as insult and misanthropy.
Over all one important part is missing when something funny is expressed just by text: facial expression
Mittanis problem was, that facial expression isn't controleble anymore when drunken. So even if he ment it as joke ... it wasn't recognizable becouse of his temporare condition ;).
Gingers problem is, that facial expression can't be see via text (except for smilys). So if he ment it as joke .... how should other know it if Ginger didn't use smilys?
Over all for west europe people it isn't funny to make jokes about "killing" or "suizid". If it is funny for US guys or anyone else on the world ... excuse us EUler ... we can't lought about it. Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship! |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:11:00 -
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Aqriue wrote:Richard Aiel wrote:Aqriue wrote:Kirk: Spock...what is...your assessment? Spock: *checking tricorder* It seems to be a large quadruped Captain, and by examing the surroundings *looks over open fields* which I belive to be a draft animal on this planet. Kirk: That is...interesting...Spock....Bones...do you...concur. Bones: *picardfacepalm* Damn it Jim its a f*cking dead horse, its not a philosophical debate that we need to poke over and over. For f*cks sake, will you please call Scotty and get us off this miserable f*cking planet so I can get drunk. God damn, the only way to get through the damn sh*t this species will continuously obsess over is to just be in a drunk stupor for the rest of my life and its not helping my liver. Goon alt detected Sub intelligent meme quoter detected, owns special hardcore gaming keyboard set up for such an occasion. But no, its over. To bad everyone just has to obsess over it like a Mass Effect fan whining about the ending of number three.
lol you guys paying for these posting alts? This guy hasnt even been in game (note the lack of a face) https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:12:00 -
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Jet Aeon wrote:baltec1 wrote:Testerxnot Sheepherder wrote:He didn't threaten the wis, he simply encouraged some mild harassment (what some of you like to call cyber-bullying). Its wasnt even that. It was a drunken joke made by a guy wearing a wizard hat. It was an encouragement to harass someone, and this encouragement was made by a sociopath -- while wearing a wizard hat -- and just so happens to have a lot of influence. You may not see the difference, but most everyone else does.
Generally shown by the lack of a perminant ban attampt https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
80
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:24:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:the only thing that should ever perma ban you is RMT or cheating... words are words no matter how you put it.
yes... if you talk someone into murdering someone youre totally innocent cause "words are just words" https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
270
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:40:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination.
I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night.
His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong.
He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved.
In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on".
I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology.
I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:44:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night. His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong. He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved. In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on". I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology. I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.
Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology. |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
271
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:45:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology.
So he thinks he's been harshly done by when it comes to taking responsibility for his actions?
I see...
It always amazes me that people think that if they pay the restitute that THEY think is reasonable, then everything's ok. As soon as they have to pay more than that, it's a harsh punishment.
CSM7 Skype Leak
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Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
327
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:35:00 -
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You worthless pubbie filth have beaten this dead horse so much that there isn't even any gristle left to bludgeon. |
Ai Shun
546
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:37:00 -
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Sister Rhode wrote:Since when are we aloud to discuss moderation on the forums?
It's okay if we do it quietly. |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
26
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:20:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. Mittani was talking about killing him in-game. He didn't make any real life threats. Nobody can force anyone to kill themselves with imaginary internet spaceships. The other thing that's different is that Ginger Magician was serious and Mittani was clearly joking. He's an alliance leader. If he wanted the guy harassed by tons of people he doesn't need to beg random people at fanfest. He has his own army. |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:28:00 -
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Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. I'm unironically laughing at OP's name.... |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:32:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. I really thought a ban was not warranted until I heard his eve radio interview last night. His behaviour is still self-interested, conceited and wrong. He couldn't even bring himself to agree that CCP's 30 day ban of him was deserved. In his speech to the goons he said "I've been f***** but we'll go on". I can't see at all how it is that people cannot see past his obviously fake manner and fake apology. I've changed my mind from 2 days ago, now I think he should be gone for good.
I liked the part where he said the only reason he got the ban was the mislabelling of Cyber-bully on this whole thing https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
81
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:33:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:Misunderstood Genius wrote:Ginger Magician to Miz Cenuij and 20 more in local (2007): "curl up and die" "ill find you in real life" (was immediately perma-banned from EVE because there was a GM in local removing corp roles from Miz Cenuij - Ginger was never seen again)
The Mittani to the EVE community (2012): "Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is [name]. It's [spells the name]. He has his own corp. Find him." (banned for 30 days only)
I think this comparision is worth an examination. Mittani was talking about killing him in-game. He didn't make any real life threats. Nobody can force anyone to kill themselves with imaginary internet spaceships. The other thing that's different is that Ginger Magician was serious and Mittani was clearly joking. He's an alliance leader. If he wanted the guy harassed by tons of people he doesn't need to beg random people at fanfest. He has his own army.
So je was talking about self destructing his pod when he said get him to kill himself? https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
140
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:34:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:Just because he apologized and stepped down as CSM chair doesn't mean that he has to agree about the ban. And that doesn't mean that the apology wasn't sincere. This is especially considering that CCP decided on the ban all on their own without letting him know when he made his apology. So he thinks he's been harshly done by when it comes to taking responsibility for his actions? I see... It always amazes me that people think that if they pay the restitute that THEY think is reasonable, then everything's ok. As soon as they have to pay more than that, it's a harsh punishment.
I'm gathering that you people wouldn't be happy until the man is literally drawn and quartered. |
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