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GiveMeISK
Need More Bantams
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Posted - 2012.04.06 21:30:00 -
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Have to agree that the war system is broken. But i don't think it is that bad as some dev's think
I would like to see a max on one war dec - lets say 1B IS
Next i would like to see a heavy discount on war dec's where the defender has done damage to the aggressor Like War dec 's is reduced by the damage done to you by the part you are decing war on Eq - you kill my Jump Freighter worth 2 B and 2 days later i decleare war on you for free
This should go for ANY damage done in 0.0 /Low/high sec WH space etc and for any thing that goes into a kill mail If you are on a kill mail even in a n00b ship it counts - and lets just say one week back This would give the If you hit me - i ( and my friends ) can hit you back when i'am read
But there are a few Good points in this Blog 1) Better Killmails .. allways nice 2) Number of war decs out of the formel - Goood
From point of view the current big problems with wars are 1) Agressor NOT undocking - hiding in mains or the war dec is done by Alts 2) Neutrals help in Highsec wars
Can't see a good fix on 1 - but on 2 give the bandits 24 hours flaging as suspects where the hole eve can kill them even in highsec
The realy bad thing in the blog is Trying to KEEP corp and members in an aliance that was war deced. What did you take - a number of wars is done to make corps or alliances go PUFF
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Grikath
T.E.L.O.G.S.
34
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Posted - 2012.04.06 23:29:00 -
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Yiole Gionglao wrote:Has the developer answered the new questions? Reading the thead i am concerned that the changes will allow big corporations to abuse the smaller ones and every combat corporation will abuse every no combat one. I don't want to have to bribe nobody to be able to play the game, it's silly.
You mean: Just as happens on a daily basis currently? sheesh.
Can you get it through your head that there is no such thing as a non-combat corp in EVE. Period? The Entitlementalists may have created the Myth of Safety, but it's nothing more than that.. a Myth. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
223
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Posted - 2012.04.06 23:38:00 -
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GiveMeISK wrote: From point of view the current big problems with wars are 1) Agressor NOT undocking - hiding in mains or the war dec is done by Alts
That seems a very selective view on the problem of alts. What about people using alts to haul, scout, run PvE, to avoid the aggressor? Never mind NPC corps which are immune to wardecs.
My point being the use of, and problems of alts is definitely not restricted to the "aggressor" or wardecer, but a universal problem in avoiding consequences that is at least as applicable, if not significantly more so, to the defender or receiver of a wardec.
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Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.07 03:28:00 -
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Yiole Gionglao wrote:Has the developer answered the new questions? Reading the thead i am concerned that the changes will allow big corporations to abuse the smaller ones and every combat corporation will abuse every no combat one. I don't want to have to bribe nobody to be able to play the game, it's silly.
I think the message CCP is tryign to send is if you don't want to fight in hisec you can't have POSes, and you can't be in a player corp. Which is kind of silly. Either people want to fight or they don't. If they don't want to fight you can't force them. Leave hisec for ganking and allow a separate mechanic for POS sieges. The whole idea of unsafe safe space is strange. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:35:00 -
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Something else i'm pretty sure CCP is going to run into is a risk of pissing off more people than they think. The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players.
Instead of this stuff may i suggest to work on an automated team tournament system. That will be way more fun, fair and create plenty of destruction. The tournament installations could be player built massive structures deployable either in hisec or low/null sec and would consist of an enclosed space (probably a cube of 8 grids 512x512km or something like that). Once entered, the grid cannot be left until the other party is either eliminated or the time is up (stalemate). There would be tournament entry fees and prizes presumably. Tournament hosts could also tweak rules etc. Deploying the tournament cube in hisec would be very expensive but draw bigger crowds. CONCORD would also tax all tournament fees. This could create an interesting dynamic where different tourney hosts compete against each other. The tournament installations would be subject to destruction by wardecs that would now only allow to attack installations. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.07 04:41:00 -
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Dream Five wrote: Instead of this stuff may i suggest to work on an automated team tournament system. That will be way more fun, fair and create plenty of destruction.
You're trolling right?
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Alekseyev Karrde
Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group
469
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:02:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:[quote=Yiole Gionglao]The whole idea of unsafe safe space and authorized griefing is strange. Honey, playing the wroooong game hehehehe www.noirmercs.com Now Recruiting CSM7, CSM 4 |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:07:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Dream Five wrote:[quote=Yiole Gionglao]The whole idea of unsafe safe space and authorized griefing is strange. Honey, playing the wroooong game hehehehe
The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. This doesn't fit with the general direction of CCP trying to make the game more friendly for new players. Presumably there will be an influx of new players with the release of DUST514.
There's only one NOIR and there's thousands of people in hisec who don't want to have anything to do with it/will evade it just as before by dropping to NPC. My point is not that griefing is bad, it's that either don't allow griefing or allow it, rather than make it avoidable. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
223
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Posted - 2012.04.07 05:23:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players.
Prove it!
While perhaps not a casual forum poster, I do consider myself to be a casual player, and all my characters live in High Sec atm, you do not represent me Dream Five, but as it happens on many issues Alekseyev does. It would be charitable to call your statement that your opinion is the majority view in EVE as conjecture, most would call it bullshit. |
Nohb Oddy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 07:21:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. I disagree. The 'hardcore' players are the ones int he game right now blowing ships up, camping gates/stations, taking out PoSes, can flipping, or other griefing/war/PvP this very moment. It is the more 'casual' people like yourself who are being camped into a station 'unable' to leave who are logging onto the forum to voice you words of hate towards these systems while everyone else is in the game learning how to use the system and actually ... well ... playing the game. Therefore, people of your opinion are disproportionate and skewed on these forums. Nohb Oddy likes you. |
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Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:41:00 -
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Alekseyev Karrde wrote:Dream Five wrote:[quote=Yiole Gionglao]The whole idea of unsafe safe space and authorized griefing is strange. Honey, playing the wroooong game hehehehe
Maybe the wrong game is getting the right subscription trends.
It's dumb beyond words to punish people for being in a NPC corp and then punish them for being in a player corp... EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
bornaa
GRiD.
193
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:49:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. Prove it! While perhaps not a casual forum poster, I do consider myself to be a casual player, and all my characters live in High Sec atm, you do not represent me Dream Five, but as it happens on many issues Alekseyev does. It would be charitable to call your statement that your opinion is the majority view in EVE as conjecture, most would call it bullshit.
People will prove it to CCP when this is released.
People will not change their gameplay stile. If they like peace and can not get it - CCP will feel it on their wallet. That Ain't Right |
Indahmawar Fazmarai
The I and F Taxation Trust
443
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Posted - 2012.04.07 08:59:00 -
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bornaa wrote:Xorv wrote:Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. Prove it! While perhaps not a casual forum poster, I do consider myself to be a casual player, and all my characters live in High Sec atm, you do not represent me Dream Five, but as it happens on many issues Alekseyev does. It would be charitable to call your statement that your opinion is the majority view in EVE as conjecture, most would call it bullshit. People will prove it to CCP when this is released. People will not change their gameplay stile. If they like peace and can not get it - CCP will feel it on their wallet.
I guess that CCP Unifex and CCP SoniClover, in their infinite clairvoyance, just will prove us wrong.
My butt sitll hurts from the last time CCP showed us how right they were and how wrong we were, back in June 2011. EVE residents: 5% WH; 8% Lowsec; 15% Nullsec; 72% Highsec. CSM 7: 1 highsec resident out of 14.-á
CSM demographics vs EVE demographics, nothing to worry about... |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:03:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. Prove it! While perhaps not a casual forum poster, I do consider myself to be a casual player, and all my characters live in High Sec atm, you do not represent me Dream Five, but as it happens on many issues Alekseyev does. It would be charitable to call your statement that your opinion is the majority view in EVE as conjecture, most would call it bullshit.
Alekseyev is a super uber mega hardcore player who runs a merc alliance and is super invested in this change. Nuff said. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:13:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Dream Five wrote:The proponents of wardec/grief whoever i want are far more vocal than thousands of hisec dwellers who don't even read this stuff so the feedback you are getting here is very disproportionate and is skewed towards hardcore players. Prove it! While perhaps not a casual forum poster, I do consider myself to be a casual player, and all my characters live in High Sec atm, you do not represent me Dream Five, but as it happens on many issues Alekseyev does. It would be charitable to call your statement that your opinion is the majority view in EVE as conjecture, most would call it bullshit.
Proof by statistical inference - only small fraction of people posted in this thread (only 29 pages with duplicate posts). 70% plus of people live in hisec. Ergo most people either didn't read or didn't bother to post in this thread to voice their opinion. |
Nohb Oddy
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
5
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Posted - 2012.04.07 11:25:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:Proof by statistical inference - only small fraction of people posted in this thread (only 29 pages with duplicate posts). 70% plus of people live in hisec. Ergo most people either didn't read or didn't bother to post in this thread to voice their opinion. There's a problem with this. A lot of us use 'forum alts' to chatter without much worry of backlash. Nohb Oddy likes you. |
Xorv
Questionable Acquisitions
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Posted - 2012.04.07 17:47:00 -
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Dream Five wrote: Proof by statistical inference - only small fraction of people posted in this thread (only 29 pages with duplicate posts). 70% plus of people live in hisec. Ergo most people either didn't read or didn't bother to post in this thread to voice their opinion.
While it is obviously true only a small percentage of all the players of EVE have replied in this thread, that wasn't what I was saying to prove. You're claiming that the majority of players share your view of EVE, and that you have not proven by any stretch of the imagination.
That 66% (or was it 67) of characters live in High Sec is not proof either. All that shows is there's motivation for players to have a character( or alts) in that part of space, not what that motivation happens to be, and certainly not that they want EVE turned into space WoW as you seem to believe. |
Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.07 18:17:00 -
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Tyberius Franklin wrote:Reppyk wrote:Tyberius Franklin wrote:He's simply taking the most logical step given the pricing mechanic. Like he did with the current mechanism. Your point ? CCP stated that they don't want a "dec shield" (I can quote the CCP Dev during the Fanfest). What they "don't want" and what they designed into the feature are 2 different things. Again, he's planning ahead to use the feature to its fullest. This game center very much around manipulating mechanics as much as is possible/allowed to achieve your desired ends. This is no different. I am aware they are not fond of dec shields which makes the choice for pricing all the more puzzling. But until they decide it needs changed, the logical thing to do is load up on alts and hike prices. Point being, if they didn't want corp padding dec shields, they should have designed them into the game (assuming it goes in as stated).
Agreed. The fact is they made dec shielding EASIER. I find it less than comforting that they need us to point it out. |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2012.04.07 22:49:00 -
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Dream Five wrote:*Non-PvP Garbage* Pssst... Rumor has it that Eve Online is a PvP BASED Game. It's been that way for 9 years now... And claim all you want, but Carebears have either endured or rage quit over those 9 years, yet Eve has continuously grown. PvP is what drives this game, Not sniveling carebears. War drives the Economy in RL and in Games. Grow some pride and stop cowaring. At least the proposed system allows for allies, or Mercs most likely in your case. TBH the cost hikes proposed will kill the game alone since less people will lose less ships, then you'll ***** about why all the prices in the market are plummetting and ooops here comes a Depression. When will you people learn? This topic, the Base of Eve, is being taken Far too lightly by CCP and they had been open their mindset before trying to shove everything out in regards to the War System. Fix it right or don't touch it. For, even though it's not great now, at least it affords the proper playstyle of what Eve was based on... PvP. eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Jita Joe2 Jones
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2012.04.08 05:49:00 -
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I think we should make the war decing parties earn the right to kill , by mining 1 hour for each person they want to kill.after all your forcing people who dont want to fight into situations where they have to fight or quit -illustrating absurdity by being absurd |
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Argus Sorn
Star Frontiers Ignore This.
19
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Posted - 2012.04.08 05:50:00 -
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Hey: EVE is hard. Advertisement says so.
You are under threat of war dec now - and in the end, as much as we all are complaining, isk is just isk and if someone wants to dec you nothing is going to stop them. So just because you are a peaceful carebear corp, don't think we all hate you and want you dead because we think war should be a reality.
That is why I proposed that it be more expensive for larger corps to dec smaller, in order to reduce 'grief wars'. CCP's current proposal will result in more grief wars as war deccing corps decide that large juicy targets are just too expensive and turn their sites on smaller ones. Clearly this is conjecture, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
Being wardecced builds character and improves your corp by the way - it did for us back in our early days.
Not to mention with Inferno, there are a bunch of folks like me who are looking forward to getting involved in your war, at next to nothing, just to have some fun and shoot your war targets.
That all being said. I'd love to see a response from CCP. As usual their silence is disturbing. 30 pages of posts about this change over an exploit that was pointed out to them at fanfest, an exploit they should have forseen.
I mean part of our job as players is to help reveal exploits, I understand that. However it took all of us in that audience less than 30 seconds to realize that you could just load your corp/alliance up with alts to dec shield and that it would basically worsen the very problem they are proposing to fix. You can now make it MORE expensive to be war decced and you can do it for FREE.
Unfortunately CCP is developing a history of making changes that if anything do the exact reverse of what they were supposed to accomplish. I just have to wonder if devs need to get out into the game more, or talk to us more.
Anyway - I'd like to see a response on this page - at least some acknowledgement that they have heard us and are re-evaluating this mechanic.
Argus
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witchking42
Universal Freelance CONSORTIUM UNIVERSALIS
3
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Posted - 2012.04.08 07:09:00 -
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These changes will upset my corp, but I personally think it will make the game more enjoyable. |
Iria Ahrens
Holy Arena
10
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Posted - 2012.04.08 11:57:00 -
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Ok, this is my only comment. War is nice, but it's pretty HS. All of the SOV battles and such that happen in Null have nothing to do with wardecs, but these changes to the system don't even matter, but at the same time, it would be really nice to have this tracking feature be a toggle item. SOV changes alone are good, but it would be nice if we could see alliance vs. alliance tracking the same as the war dec system. |
bornaa
GRiD.
196
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Posted - 2012.04.08 12:04:00 -
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Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:I think we should make the war decing parties earn the right to kill , by mining 1 hour for each person they want to kill.after all your forcing people who dont want to fight into situations where they have to fight or quit -illustrating absurdity by being absurd
Sooo signed!!! But make it that they must mine out ore thats equivalent to 1 hour of mining in hulk. That way you are forced to be good in mining as mining people are forced to be good at PVP.
Like quoted guy said: "after all your forcing people who dont want to fight into situations where they have to fight or quit -illustrating absurdity by being absurd".
That Ain't Right |
Snot Shot
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers The 0rphanage
101
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Posted - 2012.04.08 16:04:00 -
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So long story short high sec Mercs wont be able to dec 0.0 Alliances anymore since it will be cost prohibative. So where as Empire use to be the scariest place for the 0.0 Alliances to go, since they have all their well established intel channels, jump bridges, cynos etc out there, now they can wander around Empire afk transporting stuff since it will cost Empire Mercs riduculous amounts if isk to dec them and actually make Empire risky for them...
Great idea.......... . GÇ£God grant me the serenity to accept the things I canGÇÖt shoot, the courage to shoot the things I can, and the wisdom to GTFO!!GÇ¥GÇô Snot Shot - 2012.....Yeah I'm a killin machine..... http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=50753
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Josef Djugashvilis
The Scope Gallente Federation
76
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Posted - 2012.04.08 17:53:00 -
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The new proposed wardec mechanisms are so obviously and badly loaded against small corps, that I am driven to conclude that it is all part of some extended April 1st joke, and a very good troll by CCP.
The logic of the proposed amendments would be to drive most players in to large alliances. Sorry, but I do not want some one like Mittens or any other alliance leader telling me how to play the game I pay for.
10/10 for the troll though. You want fries with that? |
Cordo Draken
ABOS Industrial Enterprises
13
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Posted - 2012.04.08 20:35:00 -
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Argus Sorn wrote:Hey: EVE is hard. Advertisement says so.
You are under threat of war dec now - and in the end, as much as we all are complaining, isk is just isk and if someone wants to dec you nothing is going to stop them. So just because you are a peaceful carebear corp, don't think we all hate you and want you dead just because we think war should be a reality. We understand you want to be safe, but the fact is in eve, you never are. It is an illusion. And ultimately combat drives this game and the economy. So more combat is good, and challenge is good. Please open your mind and try and embrace that.
But I feel the pain of smaller corps being permadecced by larger, and that is why I proposed that it be more expensive for larger corps to dec smaller, in order to reduce 'grief wars'. To be honest, you should realize that CCP's current proposal will result in more grief wars as war deccing corps will decide that large juicy targets are just too expensive and turn their sites on smaller ones. Clearly this is conjecture, but it is not outside of the realm of possibility.
Being wardecced builds character and improves your corp by the way - it did for us back in our early days.
Not to mention with Inferno, there are a bunch of folks like me who are looking forward to getting involved in your war, at next to nothing, just to have some fun and shoot your war targets.
That all being said. I'd love to see a response from CCP. As usual their silence is disturbing. 30 pages of posts about this change over an exploit that was pointed out to them at fanfest, an exploit they should have forseen.
I mean part of our job as players is to help reveal exploits, I understand that. However it took all of us in that audience less than 30 seconds to realize that you could just load your corp/alliance up with alts to dec shield and that it would basically worsen the very problem they are proposing to fix. You can now make it MORE expensive to be war decced and you can do it for FREE.
Unfortunately CCP is developing a history of making changes that if anything do the exact reverse of what they were supposed to accomplish. I just have to wonder if devs need to get out into the game more, or talk to us more.
Anyway - I'd like to see a response on this page - at least some acknowledgement that they have heard us and are re-evaluating this mechanic.
Argus
Yup, Exactly... It should be priced the other way around if anything... more expensive to dec smaller corps. But I still believe the Flat rate is the best, most fair way to go.
bornaa wrote:Jita Joe2 Jones wrote:I think we should make the war decing parties earn the right to kill , by mining 1 hour for each person they want to kill.after all your forcing people who dont want to fight into situations where they have to fight or quit -illustrating absurdity by being absurd Sooo signed!!! But make it that they must mine out ore thats equivalent to 1 hour of mining in hulk. That way you are forced to be good in mining as mining people are forced to be good at PVP. Like quoted guy said: "after all your forcing people who dont want to fight into situations where they have to fight or quit -illustrating absurdity by being absurd".
And when we Merc Corps accomplish this minning requirement and still pwn you... what left will you have to whine about? Cause yes, you'll still whine, and you know it. All you carebears seem to think PvP corp rely on you guys to get supplies and ships... to the contrary, we're very versitle and do what needs to be done to fund and support our PvP.
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:The new proposed wardec mechanisms are so obviously and badly loaded against small corps, that I am driven to conclude that it is all part of some extended April 1st joke, and a very good troll by CCP.
The logic of the proposed amendments would be to drive most players in to large alliances. Sorry, but I do not want some one like Mittens or any other alliance leader telling me how to play the game I pay for.
10/10 for the troll though.
I really hope it's an April fools joke... but that would be an escape goat excuse and be giving them too much credit for such a High end Troll. We'd be relieved if it was, but we'd still hate them for such cruelty. eëÆWhomever said, "You only get one shot to make a good impression," was utterly wrong. I've made plenty of great impressions with my AutocannonseëÆ eÉà |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.08 21:30:00 -
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Xorv wrote:Dream Five wrote: Proof by statistical inference - only small fraction of people posted in this thread (only 29 pages with duplicate posts). 70% plus of people live in hisec. Ergo most people either didn't read or didn't bother to post in this thread to voice their opinion.
While it is obviously true only a small percentage of all the players of EVE have replied in this thread, that wasn't what I was saying to prove. You're claiming that the majority of players share your view of EVE, and that you have not proven by any stretch of the imagination. That 66% (or was it 67) of characters live in High Sec is not proof either. All that shows is there's motivation for players to have a character( or alts) in that part of space, not what that motivation happens to be, and certainly not that they want EVE turned into space WoW as you seem to believe.
Neither have you. All i'm saying is we definitely don't know and the posts here have low statistical relevance. |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.08 21:32:00 -
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I think this is ultimately a problem that it's hard to find fun targets to fight. Smaller targets will always try to avoid confrontation with larger targets. That's the nature of EVE since it doesn't do any balancing in that regard. Thats why again i think that tournament based PVP would solve a lot of boredom issues and "i don't want to fight you because you are bigger" issues. (see my earlier post) |
Dream Five
Renegade Pleasure Androids Pleasure Syndicate
151
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Posted - 2012.04.08 22:01:00 -
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Another thing is, since CONCORD is clearly selling out, it should be comfortable with bidding. The aggressor should be allowed to pay, then the defender should be allowed to pay the same amount to cancel the war, or pay off to an amount to set the next level of payment for the aggressor. Or each following payment simply doubles. |
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