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Nightsheir
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:36:00 -
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Edited by: Nightsheir on 29/09/2008 13:36:29
Standard crystals are so unused that multifrequency crystals became the standard* instead.
Only because its very easy to close the distance and start using the shortest* range crystals instead of anything else.
Another reason is that all types of tanks are calculated and strengthened against best possible damage, which is multifrequency . Which eliminates your chance of killing anything with standard crystals.
The saddest part is , no dev will read these forums and fix the pvp in eve. I just wanted to shout into emptyness. |
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:38:00 -
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I use Multifrequency L on my Armageddon. They don't get consumed and do decent damage. So, uh, what's the problem? |
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Yesh
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:40:00 -
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Edited by: Yesh on 29/09/2008 13:47:02
I think he wants pretty yellow lazor beams instead of bland white lazor beams.
I only ever used standard or other T1 crystals in missions if the rat is out of range. Thats what they're for ... extended range at the cost of damage. You may as well ask that Lead charge for gallente and whatever projectile those dirty slaves use to get buffed too.
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DiaBlo UK
Killer Koalas
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:40:00 -
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burned by a dev :P
tbh, i don't really understand what your getting at here, but might be the fact that i've never flown amarr, yet... |
Nightsheir
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:50:00 -
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Multifrequency is all fine, there is no problem with it , its just there is no variety with ammo's anymore, everybody carries 2 type of crystals . aurora and multifrequency . Where is the standard one ?
Either something is not working as intended/broken or , time has come to redefine which crystal is used most often thus is "standard" .
Eve got old , it needs to be re-looked at with dev hands. |
Seijin DiHelenti
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:53:00 -
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Its called Standard because, as it is defined, it is the 'base' crystal with all other crystals negatively or positively bonused from its stats. |
Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:53:00 -
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So, the standard crystal with 0% range modifier and -45% cap modifier is unusable because Multifrequency crystals do better damage and stuff?
Is the fact that it's called standard crystal that is bothering you?
As far as I know all ammo types have the "best" or most popular ammo brand that most people will use and Frequency crystals are not that different. |
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:54:00 -
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I'd like to respectfully disagree with your opinion on 'laser toyguns'  But then I'm not a Game Balancing dev, so my opinion doesn't carry weight in that area  My usual PVP crystal loadout is Conflagration, Multifrequency, Standard, and Scorch. |
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:55:00 -
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Standard crystals can be very useful in those situations where you need to maintain capacitor over an extended period of time |
Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:58:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
Edited by: Rodj Blake on 29/09/2008 13:55:55
Standard crystals can be very useful in those situations where you need to maintain capacitor over an extended period of time.
I'm also a bit of a sucker for ultraviolets.
or if you are webbed and not in optimal with multi's, or or or.. Going from -50% range to 0% can change a situation pretty quickly and only drops around 33% of the damage if my memory is correct. |
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Aprudena Gist
GoonFleet
GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.09.29 13:59:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
I'd like to respectfully disagree with your opinion on 'laser toyguns' But then I'm not a Game Balancing dev, so my opinion doesn't carry weight in that area My usual PVP crystal loadout is Conflagration, Multifrequency, Standard, and Scorch.
How do people like you even plan this game? If you can use Scorch you only need 2 kinds of ammo's guess which ones and you'll win a prize. |
Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:03:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 29/09/2008 14:03:52
Originally by: Yesh
Edited by: Yesh on 29/09/2008 13:47:02
I think he wants pretty yellow lazor beams instead of bland white lazor beams.
I only ever used standard or other T1 crystals in missions if the rat is out of range. Thats what they're for ... extended range at the cost of damage. You may as well ask that Lead charge for gallente and whatever projectile those dirty slaves use to get buffed too.
Waaaaay back in the mists of time Standard Crystals did something useful..but I forget what. I thought it was a bug that was fixed and standard crystals were removed. |
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CCP Atropos
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I'd like to respectfully disagree with your opinion on 'laser toyguns' But then I'm not a Game Balancing dev, so my opinion doesn't carry weight in that area My usual PVP crystal loadout is Conflagration, Multifrequency, Standard, and Scorch.
How do people like you even plan this game? If you can use Scorch you only need 2 kinds of ammo's guess which ones and you'll win a prize.
There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? |
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Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: Andrue
Waaaaay back in the mists of time Standard Crystals did something useful..but I forget what. I thought it was a bug that was fixed and standard crystals were removed.
Erm, is the standard one not the green one? If so then it is alive and well. |
Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:09:00 -
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Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Andrue
Waaaaay back in the mists of time Standard Crystals did something useful..but I forget what. I thought it was a bug that was fixed and standard crystals were removed.
Erm, is the standard one not the green one? If so then it is alive and well.
Standard is yellow.
Green is X-ray IIRC |
Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
Originally by: Haks'he Lirky
Originally by: Andrue
Waaaaay back in the mists of time Standard Crystals did something useful..but I forget what. I thought it was a bug that was fixed and standard crystals were removed.
Erm, is the standard one not the green one? If so then it is alive and well.
Standard is yellow.
Green is X-ray IIRC
But still alive and well? :) |
MinSebsis
Minmatar
CyPhEr TeChNoLoGiEs
EvE Consortium
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:13:00 -
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Amarr.... pffffft
There is nothing like a 1400mm Arty flinging a car size slug of metal into a ship that does not put a smile on every Minmater face.
:)
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CCP Prism X
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:25:00 -
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I like Standard crystals.
They have a cap reduction bonus.
I find it handy. Sometimes I find it favourable to trade dps for more repper cycles.
I'm also a Dev who reads these forums. However, you can comfortably argue that shouting stuff at me is equivalent to shouting into a big black hole.  |
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Nightsheir
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:29:00 -
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Edited by: Nightsheir on 29/09/2008 14:29:14
Its not suprising that one of my 30 threads should have some dev response from time to time.
Looks like this is one of those lucky threads . Which happens to be first interestingly.
By standard i meant something normal* , which is an everyday thing . Anything farther than standard are extreme cases in vocabulary . I have pointed that eve vocabulary is off from whats standard now.
The standard crystal has become the multifrequency , not the yellow one which is used very very rarely . And its still standard. Which is cool , good to remember old days . |
Haks'he Lirky
Burning Bright Inc.
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:31:00 -
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Edited by: Haks''he Lirky on 29/09/2008 14:31:52
Originally by: Nightsheir
Its not suprising that one of my 30 threads should have some dev response from time to time.
Looks like this is one of those lucky threads . Which happens to be first interestingly.
By standard i meant something normal* , which is an everyday thing . Anything farther than standard are extreme cases in vocabulaty . I have pointed that eve vocabulary is off from whats standard now.
The standard crystal has become the multifrequency , not the yellow one which is used very very rarely . And its still standard. Which is cool , good to remember old days .
So it's a word game you are playing?
it's the middle of range, it has the largest cap modifier and no range modifiers. Even though it's usage is not the highest it is the "standard" to which all other crystals are measured against, at least when it comes to range ;) |
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Nightsheir
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:41:00 -
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Edited by: Nightsheir on 29/09/2008 14:45:55
What was the average range of your last 50 pvp moments ?
What were the crystals you used most in your last 50 pvp moments ?
How much different are those 2 question's answers from eachother.
And yes, boost amarr . Tired of playing with laser toyguns. |
Jethro Jechonias
Ki Tech Industries
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Posted - 2008.09.29 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nightsheir
By standard i meant something normal* , which is an everyday thing. Anything farther than standard are extreme cases in vocabulary . I have pointed that eve vocabulary is off from whats standard now.
If your going on about the name of the crystal, would it make you feel better if it was called Visible, or would that incorrectly imply that the others were invisible.
Standard was never meant to refer to its viability in combat usage. It refers to the fact that its place in the spectrum is that of standard visible light.
The problem is not in Eve's vocabulary, as they choose the right word to describe normal everyday visible light.
The problem is that you are not looking at the attribute being described by the ammo's name.
The ammo is not named for its usefulness in combat: it is named for the frequency of light it emits.
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Nightsheir
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:01:00 -
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You have a point and you win the prize, unlike some other tried to claim that yellow crystal were still useful for the sake of argument .
Although the problem still continues in another thread.
"Bringing back the variety of range in pvp" Other than just melee or t2 range crystals.
And yes, boost amarr . Tired of playing with laser toyguns. |
Something Random
Gallente
Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:12:00 -
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You'll find 'Standard' Crystals many a time in my hold and, depending at what point you killed me, my guns.
Really your moaning about your own PvP style.... close distance and use the most powerful crystal. Im fine with that but it is easier to change your style than have the game changed in some way. After all whats your solution ? slow every amarr ship down so it can no longer close the distance ? Have a 25km no go area around every ship ? remove amarr from the game ?.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:16:00 -
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I don't know about pvp but for pve the standard crystals still have a use. That is unless you go for the cookie cutter t2 megapulse setup and despair at high em resists. I'm using a large beam abaddon and the standard crystals are both nice cap use wise, range wise and damage wise, especially against stuff like guristas that need some heat to pop.
Then again a T2 variety for standard crystals that use even less capacitor may be interesting.
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Faife
Minmatar
Noctiscion
The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Nightsheir
You have a point and you win the prize, unlike some other tried to claim that yellow crystal were still useful for the sake of argument .
Although the problem still continues in another thread.
"Bringing back the variety of range in pvp" Other than just melee or t2 range crystals.
omg what is wrong with you?
have you never flown a sniper? you do know that this is an option for the apocalypse? have you ever seen a sniper with multis?
have you ever flown any other race? EMP is the t1 ammo of choice for AC boats because you're fighting in web range (10km without overheating) and therefore you might as well take the range penalty. this doesn't mean that we should start calling EMP ammo "standard".
and it really really doesn't mean that we should change the names of ammo and crystals willy-nilly just because you haven't found a use for different ones.
"today, on nighsheir's eve, multis are called standard, standards are called scorch, scorch is called bobby, and ultraviolet is chocolate pudding. chocolate pudding crystals get a bonus against minmatar and standard ships. and remember standard plates are +10% armor this week!"
argh
(first forum look, i think i need caffeine)
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Sakura Nihil
Stimulus
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Atropos
I use Multifrequency L on my Armageddon. They don't get consumed and do decent damage. So, uh, what's the problem?
Use Amarr Navy, ya heathen.
Football? Hell yes. |
slaber
Amarr
BROWBEAT
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:20:00 -
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"Bringing back the variety of range in pvp" Other than just melee or t2 range crystals.
WTF 250-0km not nuff ?
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Harvey Lemming
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:42:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Prism X
I'm also a Dev who reads these forums. However, you can comfortably argue that shouting stuff at me is equivalent to shouting into a big black hole.
Win!  |
Yesh
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.09.29 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Aprudena Gist
Originally by: CCP Atropos
I'd like to respectfully disagree with your opinion on 'laser toyguns' But then I'm not a Game Balancing dev, so my opinion doesn't carry weight in that area My usual PVP crystal loadout is Conflagration, Multifrequency, Standard, and Scorch.
How do people like you even plan this game? If you can use Scorch you only need 2 kinds of ammo's guess which ones and you'll win a prize.
T2 ammo has it's drawbacks ... 50% more cap use and 50% slower tracking for conflags irrc. Amarr navy mf's do almost the same damage without the tracking penalty and also last a lot longer. Well worth having a set in your cargo.
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