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Hirana Yoshida Behavioral Affront	Posted - 2008.09.29 15:57:00 - [31] Oh dear, 2 CCP employee replies in one thread, me'thinks they have fallen victim to a keylogger and have random 'internet piwates' impersonating them As for topic, standard crystals are as stated great when cap is of a concern and provide a more than usable range/damage ratio. It would be great to have some sort of psychedelic effect on the multi-frequency to spice things up (they are MULTI-frequency afterall, give me RAINBOWS!)
Yesh Dirty Filthy Perverts	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:05:00 - [32] Well technicaly all frequencies would make white, but rainbow cannons would be awesome!
Savesti Kyrsst Minmatar Invicta.	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:16:00 - [33] Originally by: Yesh Originally by: Aprudena Gist How do people like you even plan this game? If you can use Scorch you only need 2 kinds of ammo's guess which ones and you'll win a prize. T2 ammo has it's drawbacks ... 50% more cap use and 50% slower tracking for conflags irrc. Amarr navy mf's do almost the same damage without the tracking penalty and also last a lot longer. Well worth having a set in your cargo. Navy MF also does more EM damage, so it's superior against shield tankers. Navy or vanilla ammo is also useful for situations requiring cap sustainability. If limited to 2 ammo types I carry Scorch and Conflag of course, but if I can be bothered I throw some Navy Mf in there too. Standards can be useful for shooting NPCs. _
Rhatar Khurin Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:43:00 - [34] I used to use ultraviolet all the time (mmm, purple...)
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:49:00 - [35] Edited by: Aprudena Gist on 29/09/2008 17:00:54 Originally by: Yesh T2 ammo has it's drawbacks ... 50% more cap use and 50% slower tracking for conflags irrc. Amarr navy mf's do almost the same damage without the tracking penalty and also last a lot longer. Well worth having a set in your cargo. Well you got the other type of ammo right with the wrong kind of reasoning so you don't win the prize. The prize was learning how to fit a ship. Originally by: CCP Atropos There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? Not really cause the prize was learning how to fit a ship.
Myra2007 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.09.29 16:49:00 - [36] Edited by: Myra2007 on 29/09/2008 16:52:52 Edited by: Myra2007 on 29/09/2008 16:50:29 Originally by: CCP Atropos There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? But why wouldn't you use scorch if the range is too big for mf? It has the same dmg as gamma (i.e. > standard) and far better range than standard crystals. It does have a stacking penalty though which hardly ever is a problem at the ranges we are talking about. For example when i was mission running regularly i had no problem blasting frigs/destroyers at > 20km with megapulse/scorch. In pvp i don't tend to shoot at frigates in serious engagements which makes tracking even more of a non issue. edit: ofc that pve setup had some tracking comps but you get the picture - standard appears to be a suboptimal choice at all times unless you just cannot use scorch edit2: not to say nerf scorch or anything

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.09.29 17:30:00 - [37] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: CCP Atropos There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? Not really cause the prize was learning how to fit a ship. I think I'm missing something crucial in your argument... I have 4 types I regularly use, it works for me, and has done for a long time. THe two TI sets are for extended engagements or as backups for when I consume the TII. Originally by: Myra2007 Originally by: CCP Atropos There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? But why wouldn't you use scorch if the range is too big for mf? It has the same dmg as gamma (i.e. > standard) and far better range than standard crystals. It does have a stacking penalty though which hardly ever is a problem at the ranges we are talking about. Because I'm cheap

Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.29 17:45:00 - [38] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: CCP Atropos There's two TI and two TII ammo types in there, so it's not exactly prejudicial against younger or less skilled pilots. I find Multifrequency to be a handy fall back in most situations, and when the range is too great, Standard is my choice. Can I take that prize regardless? Not really cause the prize was learning how to fit a ship. I think I'm missing something crucial in your argument... I have 4 types I regularly use, it works for me, and has done for a long time. THe two TI sets are for extended engagements or as backups for when I consume the TII. Because using Scorch outside of MF range is better then any type of ammo and if your only reasoning is cost then your doing it wrong.
Tawl Oh Amarr White Shadow Imperium Burning Horizons	Posted - 2008.09.29 17:48:00 - [39] This just has to be a massive troll. It just has to be. Why does he care? There are two types of people: those that sort others into two groups, and those that hate those kind of people.

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.09.29 17:55:00 - [40] Ah ha, I fully agree that Scorch is better than any other outside Multifrequency range; it is the very reason I use it. The reason I include the other ammunition is as a back up, and for extended engagements, where using consumable ammunition is something I would rather not do. There have been plenty of occasions when I've been thankful for it, and since I regularly fly Interceptors, with a generally high ROF on the guns, having a backup ammo set with somewhat similar performance is, in my opinion, perfect. Sure, Standard != Scorch, but the trade off between range and damage is something that I'm willing to do, and thus, my load out. Fortunately there are as many opinions as there are fittings for ships, so forgive me if I don't alter my fittings to accommodate your flying style


Jason Edwards	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:06:00 - [41] Originally by: CCP Prism X I like Standard crystals. They have a cap reduction bonus. I find it handy. Sometimes I find it favourable to trade dps for more repper cycles. I'm also a Dev who reads these forums. However, you can comfortably argue that shouting stuff at me is equivalent to shouting into a big black hole. Wouldnt that also mean LOOKING at you would be impossible. We can only observe you by newbs and trolls being attracted toward you. Oh wait.
Aprudena Gist GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:12:00 - [42] Originally by: CCP Atropos Ah ha, I fully agree that Scorch is better than any other outside Multifrequency range; it is the very reason I use it. The reason I include the other ammunition is as a back up, and for extended engagements, where using consumable ammunition is something I would rather not do. There have been plenty of occasions when I've been thankful for it, and since I regularly fly Interceptors, with a generally high ROF on the guns, having a backup ammo set with somewhat similar performance is, in my opinion, perfect. Sure, Standard != Scorch, but the trade off between range and damage is something that I'm willing to do, and thus, my load out. Fortunately there are as many opinions as there are fittings for ships, so forgive me if I don't alter my fittings to accommodate your flying style You use a Pulse laser on a inty? well there's your problem.

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:20:00 - [43] Originally by: Aprudena Gist Originally by: CCP Atropos Ah ha, I fully agree that Scorch is better than any other outside Multifrequency range; it is the very reason I use it. The reason I include the other ammunition is as a back up, and for extended engagements, where using consumable ammunition is something I would rather not do. There have been plenty of occasions when I've been thankful for it, and since I regularly fly Interceptors, with a generally high ROF on the guns, having a backup ammo set with somewhat similar performance is, in my opinion, perfect. Sure, Standard != Scorch, but the trade off between range and damage is something that I'm willing to do, and thus, my load out. Fortunately there are as many opinions as there are fittings for ships, so forgive me if I don't alter my fittings to accommodate your flying style You use a Pulse laser on a inty? well there's your problem.

Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.29 18:57:00 - [44] Originally by: Aprudena Gist You use a Pulse laser on a inty? well there's your problem. Crusader 4x Dual Light Pulse Laser II, Scorch S 1mn MWD II Warp Disruptor II 2x Overdrive Injector System II 2x Tracking Enhancer II 2x Energy Locus Coordinator I ==> pwnmobile @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties

CCP Atropos C C P	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:03:00 - [45] Originally by: Terianna Eri @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties Ssshhh, I do, but I don't want to ruin my 'I'm cheap' argument

Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:10:00 - [46] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Terianna Eri @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties Ssshhh, I do, but I don't want to ruin my 'I'm cheap' argument pfffffft So we have our... Red: Radio/Infrared Orange: Microwave Yellow: Standard Green: Xray Blue: Gamma Indigo: ??? Violet: Ultraviolet Where are my indigo lasers CCP why did you prenerf my rainbow abaddon __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Batolemaeus Caldari Athanasius Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.29 19:13:00 - [47] Oooh, kudos to Atropos for flying the ceptors the cool way. Thumbs up sir. ---------------------------------------------- Originally by: CCP Prism X In New Eden, EVE wins you.
Rexthor Hammerfists Rage of Inferno	Posted - 2008.09.29 20:31:00 - [48] a shame really that you hardly get to see all those shiny laser colours, would be nice if multifrequency uses random colours, only a cosmetic change
Faife Minmatar Noctiscion The Black Isle	Posted - 2008.09.29 20:38:00 - [49] Originally by: Rexthor Hammerfists a shame really that you hardly get to see all those shiny laser colours, would be nice if multifrequency uses random colours, only a cosmetic change you make my physics hurt
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction	Posted - 2008.09.29 22:49:00 - [50] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Terianna Eri @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties Ssshhh, I do, but I don't want to ruin my 'I'm cheap' argument pfffffft So we have our... Red: Radio/Infrared Orange: Microwave Yellow: Standard Green: Xray Blue: Gamma Indigo: ??? Violet: Ultraviolet Where are my indigo lasers CCP why did you prenerf my rainbow abaddon One day I will will outfit a ship, with different sizes of gun, such that I can do a rainbowgeddon and have them all on the same optimal. My opponents will be so caught up in going WTF!?! that I will devastate them before they realise I can't actually fly Amarr battleships.

Keelan Sage Eternal Rapture	Posted - 2008.09.30 00:12:00 - [51] Originally by: James Lyrus One day I will will outfit a ship, with different sizes of gun, such that I can do a rainbowgeddon and have them all on the same optimal. My opponents will be so caught up in going WTF!?! that I will devastate them before they realise I can't actually fly Amarr battleships. Rainbowaddon -> 8 Crystals, 8 Turrets Also, I carry Scorch and AN Gamma
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 00:58:00 - [52] Originally by: CCP Prism X I like Standard crystals. They have a cap reduction bonus. I find it handy. Sometimes I find it favourable to trade dps for more repper cycles. I'm also a Dev who reads these forums. However, you can comfortably argue that shouting stuff at me is equivalent to shouting into a big black hole. it lucky where playing a space game there is a universe of black hole and im in there with my covert op eagerly waiting someone to smart bomb into me in empire =) am i a naughty person naow carebears are flying pinyatas my killboard stats [img]http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Armoured C/ht_16/sig.gif[/img
Gealbhan Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 01:04:00 - [53] raises hand I use Amarr Navy Standard L on my Abaddon...
Armoured C Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2008.09.30 01:08:00 - [54] yoru all cheapskates ...at least use faction!!!! carebears are flying pinyatas my killboard stats [img]http://www.killboard.net/sigs/Armoured C/ht_16/sig.gif[/img
Avon Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 01:43:00 - [55] Standard crystals are my default ammo on my Harbinger. I think more people use them than you realise.
Gonada Priory Of The Lemon	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:00:00 - [56] self aggrandizing pedantic fools should be banned for life. Please, jump into traffic
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2008.09.30 02:07:00 - [57] Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Terianna Eri @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties Ssshhh, I do, but I don't want to ruin my 'I'm cheap' argument amarr navy multi L, and scorch L ftw I suppose if I planed on ever firing for more than 5 mins at a time I would consider bringing some plain t1 ammo, but for shooting wartargets/lowsec piracy you can usually dock and throw another one in the cargo around 95% damage
Xeronn Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:29:00 - [58] umm does anyone ever shoot at POS`s jammers whatever with BS`s? don`t tell me you use t2 ammo there ;)
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:35:00 - [59] Originally by: Terianna Eri Originally by: CCP Atropos Originally by: Terianna Eri @ CCP Atropos - you don't carry Amarr Navy Multifrequency? I wouldn't be caught dead using Conflag in pvp over that stuff, 99% of the damage without any of the tracking or cap penalties Ssshhh, I do, but I don't want to ruin my 'I'm cheap' argument pfffffft So we have our... Red: Radio/Infrared Orange: Microwave Yellow: Standard Green: Xray Blue: Gamma Indigo: ??? Violet: Ultraviolet Where are my indigo lasers CCP why did you prenerf my rainbow abaddon There's a reason for indigo being in the list of colours in the spectrum, and it's not because it's actually there. It's actually quite hard for most people to differentiate beween indigo and violet, but apparently Newton was into mysticism and numerology and suchlike, and so decided that there should be seven colours, not six. Hence, indigo was added to the list. Dulce et decorum est pro imperium mori.
PsychoBones II R.E.C.O.N.	Posted - 2008.09.30 13:45:00 - [60] Originally by: CCP Atropos Ah ha, I fully agree that Scorch is better than any other outside Multifrequency range; it is the very reason I use it. The reason I include the other ammunition is as a back up, and for extended engagements, where using consumable ammunition is something I would rather not do. There have been plenty of occasions when I've been thankful for it, and since I regularly fly Interceptors, with a generally high ROF on the guns, having a backup ammo set with somewhat similar performance is, in my opinion, perfect. Sure, Standard != Scorch, but the trade off between range and damage is something that I'm willing to do, and thus, my load out. Fortunately there are as many opinions as there are fittings for ships, so forgive me if I don't alter my fittings to accommodate your flying style I've never had a ship last long enough to actually consume laser crystals Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes. If you would like further details please mail mods@ccpgames.com ~Saint

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