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Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:18:00 - [241] BoB destroyed grid locked ships after a node crash. To the forums!
Scaen	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:26:00 - [242] It's just silly how people fail to see why outnumbering 3:1 and why it's CCP fail when nod crashes with so many people in same system. As that "reporter" stated, they had 5 titans in field, meaning 5 DD's every 60min. That alone is lots of looses by default. Ofcourse, so many titans are also great opportunity to get some of them which would compensate for all looses from DD's. Clearly you need enough force to get such task done after all those DD's. Further more, great outnumbering means more DPS, faster killing, less looses on our side in conventional fight. And finally, we're not fighting for some crap low sec system, they are invading north, home of all involved alliances, so 3:1 outnumbering is also morale wise, so they don't even think about coming back and try again. If someone is threatening you and your existance, would you just throw a rock at him to try scare him away, or you would call 5 more friends and beat shit out of him - in place where is no police to deal with it? And why it's CCP fail when nod crashes in obviously still overpopulated system? Such nod crashes didn't began to happen month or two ago, it's happening for 2 years at last. Yet CCP still didn't solve problem, even it's clearly that player base has grown and such events are more and more in place. But they are happy for greater monthly fees income from greater player base. Hire some proper db developers as first, than some extra coders and hardware engineers while you're already at it, that are capable of dealing with it for that extra money you're getting. And change that outdated hardware (it's not all outdated probably, but good part sure is). And to all who would say it: we dont like lag/desync/nod crashes when we win fight either, it's just not entertaining, and that's what game should be after all. Lastly, about "strategy" that you "reporter" mentioned all I can say is: you have no clue, man. Anyway, this conflict is far from over, see ya in space. Scaen
Veldya Guristari Freedom Fighters	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:28:00 - [243] Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles.
Seatoo Terradyne Networks	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:40:00 - [244] Originally by: Scaen It's just silly how people fail to see why outnumbering 3:1 and why it's CCP fail when nod crashes with so many people in same system. As that "reporter" stated, they had 5 titans in field, meaning 5 DD's every 60min. That alone is lots of looses by default. Ofcourse, so many titans are also great opportunity to get some of them which would compensate for all looses from DD's. Clearly you need enough force to get such task done after all those DD's. Further more, great outnumbering means more DPS, faster killing, less looses on our side in conventional fight. And finally, we're not fighting for some crap low sec system, they are invading north, home of all involved alliances, so 3:1 outnumbering is also morale wise, so they don't even think about coming back and try again. If someone is threatening you and your existance, would you just throw a rock at him to try scare him away, or you would call 5 more friends and beat shit out of him - in place where is no police to deal with it? And why it's CCP fail when nod crashes in obviously still overpopulated system? Such nod crashes didn't began to happen month or two ago, it's happening for 2 years at last. Yet CCP still didn't solve problem, even it's clearly that player base has grown and such events are more and more in place. But they are happy for greater monthly fees income from greater player base. Hire some proper db developers as first, than some extra coders and hardware engineers while you're already at it, that are capable of dealing with it for that extra money you're getting. And change that outdated hardware (it's not all outdated probably, but good part sure is). And to all who would say it: we dont like lag/desync/nod crashes when we win fight either, it's just not entertaining, and that's what game should be after all. Lastly, about "strategy" that you "reporter" mentioned all I can say is: you have no clue, man. Anyway, this conflict is far from over, see ya in space. Scaen Might wanna turn corp/alliance ticker on there champ
DigitalCommunist Obsidian Core	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:48:00 - [245] Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts.
Svetlanna The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:54:00 - [246] WTH is the powerpoint presentation usually going with this kind of posts?
Misha specijalac	Posted - 2008.09.30 17:56:00 - [247] Originally by: Prez21 Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... You guys act like this is the first time anything like this has happened, everyone who has played this game for a decent amount of time knows a system cant handle them numbers, yet when you shove that amount of people in one system and the nodecrashes you all come to the forums and complain about how eve is broken. Why isntead of jumping so manypeople into m-0 you didnt try and get control of the system when bob didnt have so many people in there, or would that have meant maybe having to fight in lag free conditions with evenish numbers? Hey Nod crashed... Who manage logging back? That is the whole problem. BOB logged in and than NC. There where 700 NC to 300 BOB ratio. For every 3 BOB pilots logget in, there should be 7!!! NC pilots logged in too. A fair fight. This way BOB was logged in and waiting for NC. That wasnt fair. And thats why are ppl complaining.
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:29:00 - [248] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts. Large posts Like ships Go ignored by the server snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email mods@ccpgames.com with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)
speedek Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:30:00 - [249] Originally by: Misha specijalac For every 3 BOB pilots logget in, there should be 7!!! NC pilots logged in too. A fair fight. Yup something like that
Red Hurricane Gallente You're Doing It Wrong	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:33:00 - [250] Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh god, deja vu. Allow me to Sun Tzu all up in this shit (EVE style): 1. The larger a fight is, the less it has to do with engagement and more to do with advantageous positioning. OP lists the NC FC's mistakes and how they were taken advantage of before anything happened to the node. NC fumbled into a bear den and complained the bears were cheating because they're more used to the darkness. Who cares its a god damned bear den. 2. If you recognize the enemy's superior discipline or experience with these situations in a 500 man brawl, you don't put your members through an even worse ordeal where they'll have more time to give up or.. blast garbage on TS. Jake Noble's running comparison of TS numbers showed NC giving up and falling with time. 3. If you don't recognize the above as true, but blame it on a more streamlined client configuration, you don't ignore this factor just because you have more people. People who do manage to load with a bloated client are still going to have a far worse experience with bigger delays on the FC's instructions. 4. You don't bring two times the people from a dozen random alliances that have no stake or experience in this, and expect to have two times the people 5 minutes into a fight. 5. Blaming lag is like blaming the weather for making the ground muddy. Blaming cheats is like blaming the enemy's use of black magic. Blaming devs is like blaming the Gods for favoring the enemy. If you're going to blame, you never ever *ever* use abstract concepts that you have zero control over. You're better off lynching an FC or two, as a perverse form of accountability. Mocking the talk of "strategy" just because some didn't get to fight does not mean none was used. Being able to see your ship doesn't mean you're magically immune to the 800lb gorilla on your grid. BoB would've lost more ships, but under the same preconditions, NC would have lost the fight and there would still be talk of lag and cheats and pompous Molleposts. Aww I was expecting more than just one paragraph of Sun Tzu analogy However, post was dead on. This man speaks the truth.

Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:50:00 - [251] Edited by: Lord WarATron on 30/09/2008 18:50:58 Originally by: DigitalCommunist This thread is an exact repeat of the previous 4 years. People would rather believe they lost because of game mechanics or cheating, even when the main strategist and FC tells you where you're doing it wrong. You are wasting your time explaining. Over the last 4 years, its just been constant "mass peasents with pichforks" vs smaller numbers of well armed soldiers with machine guns. Pods are cheap and subsadising people in relevent pvp ships is expensive, ya know. The great unwashed will never understand what 0.0 warfare is about. But the real reason is because we are using aimbots and headshot macro's. We also have a wallhack and have access to a lag button. -- Billion Isk Mission
Lucius Ventrue Minmatar Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:51:00 - [252] Originally by: enjoi In all fairness, the node was doing amazingly well with 1,000 in local before the crash. You couldn't have asked for better performance, lag-wise, with that amount of people. It's one step closer to the dream, CCP, keep it up. This was actually true. I had very limited lag on the E-O gate before the crash. The server and game was running remarkably well just before the node crashing. Total Kills: 209 Total Losses: 5
O Thief The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2008.09.30 18:59:00 - [253] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles. BoB 'metagame' on the same level NC do - TS spies, POS passwords etc. Which is really standard practice. Also, NC have benefited from node crashes before and indeed won fights due to them. This time the coin landed on the wrong side, but that doesnt take away the fact that, actually, they lost this fight because BoB were better orgainsed and more disciplined than them. For example, you mentioned in another post that BoB were killing ships who didnt load grid. Partly true, but did you also know that at LEAST 15 of the NC dreads loaded grid, were targetting and shooting primaries, but ordered not to enter seige? That is why they didn't kill anything.
ponieus the united	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:05:00 - [254] Originally by: Veldya Originally by: Haakelen Originally by: Velizaar Either CCP shall fix this mess or this is the end of this game... Just like it was with ASCN, D2, JV1V, and QY6, yeah? I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Getting into Tribute is a very different story to staying in Tribute. Node crashes will only help you in so many battles. wow how long you been playing. If molle loves anything its being outnumbered. Its far better to brag you killed your enemy outnumberd than with equal numbers on each side. Molle has a history of taking extreme lopsided fights since the I dont know the GNW. I mean seriously formidable numbers??? its only worth it if the numbers are worth a shit. And TBH the north really isnt. Thats why they always lose. Always looking for something else to blame other than their complete lack of understanding on how things work. Comdey gold. 0.0 the land of naps and log in ques.
Lord WarATron Amarr Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:06:00 - [255] Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. -- Billion Isk Mission
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:09:00 - [256] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc
Machine Delta GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:13:00 - [257] Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Ask Lallante how to go about hiring hackers for OOG websites next time you talk to him. snip Your signature is inappropriate. Do not post it again. If you have questions, email mods@ccpgames.com with a link to your signature graphic. -Rauth Kivaro (mods@ccpgames.com)
Metal Dude Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:16:00 - [258] Originally by: Twoside Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc Kugu still hacking in to sites and breaking laws? All ingame related ofc. The truth will set you free
Twoside Gallente Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:18:00 - [259] Originally by: Metal Dude Originally by: Twoside Originally by: Lord WarATron Originally by: Veldya I think the circumstances are very different. NC has had some convincing victories over BoB in 15w, D7 and M-O before, as has BoB over the NC in various battles. BoB is trying to ramp up the meta game because Molle knows the numbers arrayed against him recently have been formidable, he knows how fragile his hold of the situation is and needs maximum pet attendance so any excuse to bring out the pom poms even for ridiculous node crash victories screams more of desperation than brilliant success. Bitter NC alt Complaining about metagaming now? NC are some of the biggist metagamers EvE has ever seen With us, as with most alliances, it goes as far as game related. With NC, the leadership is happy to stalk people outside of game in RL. Quoting this for future reference. Ps: Molle still got kugu's adress, phonenumber and trying to call his boss? All ingame related ofc Kugu still hacking in to sites and breaking laws? All ingame related ofc. if he stopped tomorrow I'd be happy as I would be with others, like your alliance, who do these things
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:22:00 - [260] Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o

Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:23:00 - [261] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o Cancel your account. Now.
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:25:00 - [262] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Another node crash....Check Another time bob loads first....Check Another time lag favors bob....Check Another chest beating thread about how uber bob is when other's can't even load the grid....Check 10/10 Would call BS again. Fake edit: So strategy is haveing ***'s in your pocket eh?? Yeah High five! o/\o Cancel your account. Now. No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh?
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:26:00 - [263] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now.
Niraco79 Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:27:00 - [264] In other NEWS: We killed 2 min ago a NC Ravan in M-O in a belt....probably ratting.
bulabuba Gallente Klima Galactic	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:28:00 - [265] So, what I'm wondering about all of this is if KIA, TCF and others wanted to help, why weren't they in Delve knocking down cyno jammers to provide a big open target for anyone who might be interested? Would have at least split BoB's attention a bit, no? Is there some unwritten law that you have to fight over one system at a time, or does every BoB pilot have so many high SP alts that they can easily just be in two places at once? ----------------------------------------------- Are GoonSwarm ever going to be allowed to build up in any way in 0.0 space again? No. -DB Preacher[BoB]
Smokie McLottapot Caldari Keepers Of The Gate	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:32:00 - [266] Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now. So I can post in bob's, "were better than you" threads ofc.
Atropos Kahn Caldari Solarflare Heavy Industries Pure.	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:32:00 - [267] GBC wins EVE... Let's go play new game... http://www.jumpgateevolution.com/ I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
Maximillian Bayonette White Lion Manufacture and Salvage	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:35:00 - [268] Originally by: Smokie McLottapot Originally by: Maximillian Bayonette Originally by: Smokie McLottapot No you! LOLOL Can't handle the truth huh? Seriously. Cancel it. Why do you pay money to people who are cheating you? Cancel it now. So I can post in bob's, "were better than you" threads ofc. So you're paying 15$ a month to someone for the privilige of calling them out on cheating you. Seems smart.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:37:00 - [269] Molle at his best. In CAOD and on the battlefield. <3 that. What I love even more are the tears of the NC and companions. Them tears flooded into the oceans and we wouldn't even need the greenhouse effect to lift the mean sea level by a significant height. So I demand: Stop killing NC! Stop killing mankind! -> Think green <- rgrds c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Lucian Alucard Caldari Black Vice Industries	Posted - 2008.09.30 19:38:00 - [270]

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