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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8894
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Posted - 2013.07.16 22:54:00 -
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TheFu wrote:Chribba wrote:TheFu wrote:Having an issue with updating my API key on EveBoard.
I have returning to Eve actively and I believe I remember my ID and have a new API key as indicated. However logging in to my account to proceed with updating from my old legacy key seems to not be working.
Logging on with your new key, selecting "register characters" if it is displayed, once at the list of your chars - click save settings on the characters you want to update the key for. /c Thank you for hte reply Chribba. it seems I don't recall my ID correctly. Is there a method for recovery? Usually generate a new id/key.
/c
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Menero Orti
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2013.07.17 17:43:00 -
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So C... when was the last time that you added new features to EB? To be frank that site looks like it was designed in 2003 but yeah it can be very useful for some informations but what irritated me was the fact that i looked at the sales section and i only seen like what skills i need to set-up but you should add more general terms like from those settings display toons with a maximum sp pool of 20mil not to get some random/random/random/random toons all over the place |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
8918
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Posted - 2013.07.18 18:35:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:So C... when was the last time that you added new features to EB? To be frank that site looks like it was designed in 2003 but yeah it can be very useful for some informations but what irritated me was the fact that i looked at the sales section and i only seen like what skills i need to set-up but you should add more general terms like from those settings display toons with a maximum sp pool of 20mil not to get some random/random/random/random toons all over the place Depends on what you mean by feature, there's been changes and minor additions, but the last major one was longer than I would have wanted.
Not really sure what you mean by the sale display thing, you want more filters or? Because the way I saw it was that you don't want to see pilots for sale above 20m sp?
As for design, yeah it's crappy, I'm terrible at design/gfx so that's why it looks like your granddad designed it
/c
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Rengerel en Distel
1724
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Posted - 2013.07.19 16:46:00 -
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Menero Orti wrote:So C... when was the last time that you added new features to EB? To be frank that site looks like it was designed in 2003 but yeah it can be very useful for some informations but what irritated me was the fact that i looked at the sales section and i only seen like what skills i need to set-up but you should add more general terms like from those settings display toons with a maximum sp pool of 20mil not to get some random/random/random/random toons all over the place
Can we see your free site you have set up for comparison?
With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
640
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:01:00 -
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Chribba, did you stumble over the power lead? Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9029
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:24:00 -
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Nope, I've been battling some oddities ever since I upgraded the RAM. Getting latch-timeouts on the database that leads to corruption at times.
Trying to figure out where the problem lies if it's hardware or software related. Have seen odd stuff being broken RAM reported as HDD I/O problems so really unsure. Trying some alternative techniques atm.
/c
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
663
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Posted - 2013.08.16 20:18:00 -
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Hey Chribba, are you still investigating the issues?
I just noticed the custom signature feature is pretty broken at the moment. The uploaded custom backgrounds don't show and if you hit preview you get:
500 - Internal server error. There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be displayed.
Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Kithran
65
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Posted - 2013.08.22 12:26:00 -
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Just happened to spot the pre-reqs for the revenant are wrong on eveboard - it says I can't fly one but in game stats say amarr carrier I and caldari carrier I. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9210
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Posted - 2013.08.23 06:09:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Hey Chribba, are you still investigating the issues? I just noticed the custom signature feature is pretty broken at the moment. The uploaded custom backgrounds don't show and if you hit preview you get: 500 - Internal server error. There is a problem with the resource you are looking for, and it cannot be displayed. Edit - Seems to be working now. Right I fixed that after you posted it, then I forgot to reply saying I fixed it
Will look at the Revenant skills.
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Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.04 08:58:00 -
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There have been massive changes to skill related things with the last patch. Regrouping of skills, renaming of skill groups, new skill groups, deleted skill groups, renaming of skills, and of course new added skills. All that will potentially have significant effects on the Eveboard rankings, and might warrant the already mentioned complete overhaul of the Eveboard page.
Any ETA for implementing those changes to Eveboard, Chribba? "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
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RaTTuS
BIG Insidious Empire
333
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Posted - 2013.09.04 10:21:00 -
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http://i.imgur.com/FHqaU5Z.png for a brief moment I have #1 http://eveboard.com/ub/419190933-134.png http://imgur.com/nxJJVyV |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9323
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Posted - 2013.09.04 11:53:00 -
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Yep I'm fully aware of the changes. I aim to have it fixed by Friday when I'm back from the US.
/c
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
699
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:04:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Yep I'm fully aware of the changes. I aim to have it fixed by Friday when I'm back from the US.
/c Did you come back a day early as it seems to have been changed now (at least some of it). Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9325
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Posted - 2013.09.05 15:28:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Chribba wrote:Yep I'm fully aware of the changes. I aim to have it fixed by Friday when I'm back from the US.
/c Did you come back a day early as it seems to have been changed now (at least some of it). Nope I'm back on scheduled time, just gave myself a bit extra since I wasn't sure what I need to do fully. I've updated the db, but I will need to rewrite groups fully as they are not dynamic (ranking of groups) as well as sort out the missing icons - so this may not be ready by tomorrow depending on how much recoding is needed to be done.
/c
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Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
701
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Posted - 2013.09.11 12:02:00 -
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I guess you still are working on this as the skill groups on the ranking pages are broken now. Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
52
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:29:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:I guess you still are working on this as the skill groups on the ranking pages are broken now.
Only part that's updated for me is my skillsheet, everything else is broken.
Global Ranking main page and ranks page are still showing old groups, icons still missing, engineering, planet management and subsystem ranks are dead.
Hopefully Chribba is working on it. |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9343
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Posted - 2013.09.11 20:48:00 -
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Yeah I'm running behind schedule with a bit too much other things going on at the moment, I apologize for the delay. I only had time to do the quick updates yet, ranks and everything (now that CCP changes groups) require a full recode of backend stuff including scripts and queries that calculate things. That's what takes time sadly.
But you are def not forgotten.
/c
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Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.19 12:18:00 -
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When eveboard was born, I can remember that one of the goals was to allow younger members of the game to get recognized in a ranking system reflecting their relative achievements despite their comparetivly shorter time in game and thus less skillpoints.
This goal was never achieved afaik, the older the pilot and the more skillpoints he has, the higher he will be ranked.
However, when I recently looked at my rankings again, I found out that "Date of Birth" is ranked now as well. This, I believe, opens up the option to achieve the orginal goal of a "fair" ranking system: Include the rank of the pilots age into the equation. My proposal is to simply devide the overall ranking value (Towaoc's would be right now 895) by the rank of the age (Towaocs would be right now 78), giving him a new overall ranking value of 11.48.
This would reflect the overall skill based achievements of a pilot with regard to his age in game. A younger pilot could than be placed in the ranking hihger then a much older one, despite of having far less skills and skillpoints than that older pilot.
"Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
Viggen
15
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Posted - 2013.09.19 16:38:00 -
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So would your new ranking system still mean the lower the score, the higher ranked that person would be?
TowaocGÇÖs new score would be 11.48 as you say.
My new score (currently ranked number 2 behind Towaoc) would be 0.74
Finally just checked out a character that was just over 1 year old but only had 55,074 skillpoints and he came out with a score of 1.05
IGÇÖm not seeing how this new system would work, placing a year old character with 1 day worth of skillpoints between myself and Towaoc.
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Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.19 18:49:00 -
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Yes, the lower the score, the higher the rank.
Right now, the ranking simply rewards old pilots for being old and having had lots of time to amass skill points.
Originally, Eveboard was created to reward successfull pilots. in particular not just to reward high skill points like a different previous system of pilot ranking did (correct me Chribba, when I'm wrong). This goal was missed, obviously. With my proposal, this goal could finally be achieved, I believe.
Eveboard would then rank pilots according to their skill based efficiency relative to their age.
The outcome could be in fact that pilots ranked on the top right now would be reduced to mediocracy, while pilots ranked somewhere in the middle of the list right now will come up to the Top 1000. Eveboard would no longer reward just being old, but having a sound skill strategy across the board.
I can understand that most of the present Top 1000 pilots won't like this, especially some of the Top 100 pilots, which may find themselves again at a five digit place. On the other hand, tens of thousands of pilots would find a good skill strategy rewarded here, which are now listed in the middle of the list.
The best would be that Chribba would just run a calculation with this amended algorithm and shows us what happens. "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9389
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Posted - 2013.09.19 20:22:00 -
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Help me create such an algorithm and I'd be happy to make the changes needed. atm I'm not entirely sure myself what the best way to achieve this is.
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Amateratsu
The Pegasus Project
52
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Posted - 2013.09.19 21:18:00 -
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I'm all for making EB more diverse and giving everybody a chance to climb the rankings, but what your suggesting so far will just penalise one group in favour of another.
Using a players age in the calculation is a bad idea as its a variable that the player has no control over and cannot manipulate. So as these younger players get older and amass more sp they will start to decline down the ranks in favour of newer players.
The current system favours players who don't specialise but rather train skills in every ranked category, but at the same time does allow everybody to climb the ranks based on their own choice of skill training.
1 Solution might be to have several different Global ranks each targeted at different groups of players for example...
A rank for veteran players (the current Global Rank) Ranks for players who specialise in different professions like PVP, Industry, Mining, Trade, ect A Rank for younger players with less SP.
I don't think you can create a single ranking system that caters to all types of players equally, EVE is too big a sandbox with too much diversity to be covered by a single ranking system. |
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
495
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Posted - 2013.09.19 22:59:00 -
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For quite awhile now, I have had two characters that I check rankings on.
http://eveboard.com/pilot/RavenPaine
http://eveboard.com/pilot/RaVeN_Revenge
Even though Paine is a year older, Revenge has better over all ranking. So I don't think that age is the 'end all' requirement.
And though I would like to see Paine move up the rankings, I have never thought he should bypass any veteran player who has More SP More level V's
Those 2 criteria are the most important to ranking, imo.
On a side note: The new skills categories seriously ruined some of my 'perfect' categories |
Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:01:00 -
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Chribba wrote:Help me create such an algorithm and I'd be happy to make the changes needed. atm I'm not entirely sure myself what the best way to achieve this is. That's easy (I think, since I don't know how elaborate your algorithm is): Just add to your present algorithm "divided by rank of category "Date of Birth". "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.20 08:15:00 -
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Amateratsu wrote:I'm all for making EB more diverse and giving everybody a chance to climb the rankings, but what your suggesting so far will just penalise one group in favour of another. Using a players age in the calculation is a bad idea as its a variable that the player has no control over and cannot manipulate. So as these younger players get older and amass more sp they will start to decline down the ranks in favour of newer players. The current system favours players who don't specialise but rather train skills in every ranked category, but at the same time does allow everybody to climb the ranks based on their own choice of skill training. 1 Solution might be to have several different Global ranks each targeted at different groups of players for example... A rank for veteran players (the current Global Rank) Ranks for players who specialise in different professions like PVP, Industry, Mining, Trade, ect A Rank for younger players with less SP. I don't think you can create a single ranking system that caters to all types of players equally, EVE is too big a sandbox with too much diversity to be covered by a single ranking system. That's correct on many accounts, and probably a matter of taste what you want to achieve or recognize with such a ranking.
Right now. to get to the top, you need to have an old pilot (what you can't influence as well) and simply skill as evenly across the board as possible. Doing that and having more then 150 mil SP (what equals at least 7 or 8 years of playtime) and you will be in the Top 100. No effort here. Look at your pilots age and the number of skills, and you can guess quite exactly at what quart of the list he will be found.
So the Date of Birth is actually already factored in, but not taken into a relativizing account.
Right now, a pilot created past 2006 or so never has the chance to reach the Top 1000 of the list, unless all of the old pilots just stop playing. With my proposal, a fresh pilot will not start in the Top 1000 of Eveboard (at least I don't think so), but if he is willing to play this Metagame, he can come up to that place in a couple of years of playtime. You still need to skill as evenly across all skills as possible, but you don't need to be an old pilot as well to get high rank on Eveboard.
Having said this, I like your idea of different global rankings. However, I have no idea how that could be calculated, and what the strain on the server would be to calculate three or more rankings over 100,000 pilots or more. "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
9390
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Posted - 2013.09.20 09:40:00 -
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Juwi Kotch wrote:Chribba wrote:Help me create such an algorithm and I'd be happy to make the changes needed. atm I'm not entirely sure myself what the best way to achieve this is. That's easy (I think, since I don't know how elaborate your algorithm is): Just add to your present algorithm "divided by rank of category "Date of Birth" at the end. x/2006-10-01 or DoB=days old...? I could possibly run some tests off that but I don't think it's just that simple but we will see what kind of values gets thrown out. As for example that could be abused by a pilot training for a certain category and only that, then adding a ton in queue maybe, and get super high score (or low which is better) while the pilot really played the system rather than being specced "overall good" or similar.
/c
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Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.20 10:35:00 -
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It would be x / y = z
where x is the value of the present algorithm (for me it would be 4,165.20) and y is the rank of the category "Date of Birth" (for me it would be 4,815) and z would be the value for the new ranking, where the lowest value would be the highest rank
So for me it would be
4,165.20 / 4,815 = 0,865
what would resut in whatever rank on Eveboard.
For the algorithm you actually would only need to add "divided by y (as defined above)", unless your algorithm leading to x includes stuff which I don't know and would create inconsistencies here.
How having skills in queue would affect that, I can't see. Is "skill queue" included in your algorithm somehow? A pilot having specialized in just a few particular skillgroups would still get a bad overall ranking, since he would have terrible ranking in those skillgroups he has neglected. And that is already reflected in your algorithm, isn't it? "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
Viggen
15
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Posted - 2013.09.20 14:51:00 -
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Juwi,
The algorithm your presenting doesnGÇÖt work. Example BelowGǪ
Abandon AllHope (Oldest character, hence ranked 1 on DoB group) new score would be 8136.36
Drahcir Nasom (Most skills at lvl 5) new score would be 29.18
Dr Caymus (Most skillpoints) new score would be 10.82
Now the important bit..... A player I found with only 1mil skillpoints and getting on for 3 years old now would have a new score of 1.52
So obviously you can see that the 3 year old character with barely any training done at all would be ranked considerably higher than the others mentioned here.
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Juwi Kotch
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse Sanctuary Pact
9
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:15:00 -
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Viggen, we do not know what rank a score of 20, of 100 or 8,000 will be. Abandon Allhope ist ranked around 2,200 right now, may be he would be ranked even higher with a score of around 8,000 (however I don't believe so).
But that is it in fact, what this is about. Eveboard was not meant to just list old pilots with a massive skillset on the top, but to provide an incentive for younger pilots to show an achievement based on skills.
There is no art or achievement in being ranked high because you have been in the game from its start. A ranking, where the age of the pilot is the major ingredient to come to the top is actually quite redundant. With my proposal, you can design your skill set in a way, that can come up high in Eveboards ranking despite being a younger pilot, whereas right now a pilot created 2008 or 2010 never has a chance to enter the Top 1000.
Of course, if you want this ranking reflect the simple fact that a pilot is old and has skilled without interruptions all the time, then my proposal will not work, since you do not only need to have the years, but also to have a well balanced skill set. This last part of the equation will probably become more important in the scoring then the simple mass of skillpoints, and thus give younger pilots a chance to actually play the metagame called Eveboard.
Personally, I have no idea where I myself would end up in such a ranking. I'm a relativly old pilot from 2005 with over 130 mil SP, and I could easily end up worse in the ranking then I do now. With the proposed change Eveboard may turn from a vanity platform for older pilots with little to no changes in the Top 1000 or Top 100 to a quite volatile race with lots of upstarts and younger pilots in the top quart ot the list. It could become something for the masses of EVE, instead for a small elite.
Having said this, Abandon Allhope will still rank number 1 in age, Drahcir Nasom number one in lvl5 skills, and Dr. Caymus number one total skillpoints. However, they might loose places, maybe even lots of them, in the overall ranking. "Our lives are not our own. We are bound to others, past and present. And by each crime, and every kindness, we birth our future." Sonmi-451 |
Mashie Saldana
BFG Tech
711
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Posted - 2013.09.20 15:16:00 -
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I don't relly care about the global ranking, however I would love to see everyone that ends up in a top 10 spot in any list will have their name shown.
For example highest SP Gallente/Jin-Mei - Anonymous... Mashie Saldana Dominique Vasilkovsky
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