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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:35:00 -
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I keep on hearing about instas, and I have no clue what they are, can somebody help me out?
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:35:00 -
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I keep on hearing about instas, and I have no clue what they are, can somebody help me out?
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:39:00 -
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An instawarp is something like when you undock from a station, and warp to a bookmark directly in front of the undock - IE, you undock, warp to the bookmark, and instawarp.
Or the old bookmarks from warp to 15 - where you had a bookmark 15km on the other side of the gate so you'd land right on it.
 Originally by: Amoxin
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Atomos Darksun
Infortunatus Eventus
Obsidian Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:39:00 -
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An instawarp is something like when you undock from a station, and warp to a bookmark directly in front of the undock - IE, you undock, warp to the bookmark, and instawarp.
Or the old bookmarks from warp to 15 - where you had a bookmark 15km on the other side of the gate so you'd land right on it.
Originally by: Amoxin
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:43:00 -
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So it goes. Undock, Warp to Safespot, go to jump?
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:43:00 -
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So it goes. Undock, Warp to Safespot, go to jump?
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Metallion1
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:44:00 -
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Before 'warp-to-zero' was implemented , we had to manually make our own 'instas' to go long distances faster .
It was very painstaking , to say the least , but fun because you learned it and did it yourself .
Some people were selling entire region's bm's for instas , and making darn good ISK doing it .
But the amount of work they had to put into making all of those bm's i can understand why they charged so much .
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Metallion1
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:44:00 -
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Before 'warp-to-zero' was implemented , we had to manually make our own 'instas' to go long distances faster .
It was very painstaking , to say the least , but fun because you learned it and did it yourself .
Some people were selling entire region's bm's for instas , and making darn good ISK doing it .
But the amount of work they had to put into making all of those bm's i can understand why they charged so much .
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:48:00 -
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Ok. So can you explain how safespots work, then. I kinda get how they are made, I just don't get how to use them.
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:48:00 -
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Ok. So can you explain how safespots work, then. I kinda get how they are made, I just don't get how to use them.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Newb12s
So it goes. Undock, Warp to Safespot, go to jump?
Exactly. Great for escaping non-bubbled camps and getting slow industrial ships put of the way before you hover around, waiting to align.
Sometimes there are even celestial objects aligned to the station, like stargates or planets.
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:50:00 -
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Originally by: Newb12s
So it goes. Undock, Warp to Safespot, go to jump?
Exactly. Great for escaping non-bubbled camps and getting slow industrial ships put of the way before you hover around, waiting to align.
Sometimes there are even celestial objects aligned to the station, like stargates or planets.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Newb12s
Ok. So can you explain how safespots work, then. I kinda get how they are made, I just don't get how to use them.
A safespot's just a location that isn't reachable without warping to it. The only reasonable way to get there is to probe you out with scan probes.
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Jimer Lins
Gallente
Noir.
Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:51:00 -
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Originally by: Newb12s
Ok. So can you explain how safespots work, then. I kinda get how they are made, I just don't get how to use them.
A safespot's just a location that isn't reachable without warping to it. The only reasonable way to get there is to probe you out with scan probes.
Corp and Personal killboard
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:54:00 -
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So, you can warp to if if you get attacked?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:54:00 -
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Both of the old meanings of the term "insta" (as in "insta-warp bookmark" or "insta-jump bookmark") lost a lot of ground... nowadays, you could just call'em "bookmarks" (but "insta" is easier to type and BM could be confused with other things).
In case of station undocks, you are now pushed out at (over?) top speed with top speed set in a random direction inside a 15 degrees cone, you used to be just plopped outside a station at tops speed with no speed set.
Back then, having a bookmark "right in front" at some distance (be it 150+km or next grid) would mean that if you warped to it immediately after undock, you would actually "instant warp" to it because you had the orientation and speed.
You can still do that, but it takes a very short while to align, so it's no longer an "instant" warp (just a warp with a very short delay).
And the other thing was the fact "warp to zero" didn't use to be possible "out of the box", with 15km being the closest you could warp to an object (one of the unadjusted remnants of that being the way mission gates "suck you in" for instance, since otherwise you would have had to travel 15km every time you start a mission).
The only way to land right on top of a gate used to be to have a pair of bookmarks for each gate pair, located 15km BEHIND the opposite gate. This way, by selecting the correct bookmark you would end up right on top of it... hence the term "insta-jump bookmark".
Now you can just warp to zero to a gate, so any remaining ones are quite pointless in most cases.
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Newb12s
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:54:00 -
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So, you can warp to if if you get attacked?
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.01 01:54:00 -
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Both of the old meanings of the term "insta" (as in "insta-warp bookmark" or "insta-jump bookmark") lost a lot of ground... nowadays, you could just call'em "bookmarks" (but "insta" is easier to type and BM could be confused with other things).
In case of station undocks, you are now pushed out at (over?) top speed with top speed set in a random direction inside a 15 degrees cone, you used to be just plopped outside a station at tops speed with no speed set.
Back then, having a bookmark "right in front" at some distance (be it 150+km or next grid) would mean that if you warped to it immediately after undock, you would actually "instant warp" to it because you had the orientation and speed.
You can still do that, but it takes a very short while to align, so it's no longer an "instant" warp (just a warp with a very short delay).
And the other thing was the fact "warp to zero" didn't use to be possible "out of the box", with 15km being the closest you could warp to an object (one of the unadjusted remnants of that being the way mission gates "suck you in" for instance, since otherwise you would have had to travel 15km every time you start a mission).
The only way to land right on top of a gate used to be to have a pair of bookmarks for each gate pair, located 15km BEHIND the opposite gate. This way, by selecting the correct bookmark you would end up right on top of it... hence the term "insta-jump bookmark".
Now you can just warp to zero to a gate, so any remaining ones are quite pointless in most cases.
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SHOPS || Mission rewards revamp || better nanofix
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.01 02:01:00 -
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A "safespot" is just a place in the middle of nowhere (no astral object to warp to in order to get there).
The only way to find you there is either through painstaking manual triangulation and a lot of inflight bookmark droppings (only feasable in case you decide to go AFK, or if you're looking for an anchored container... funny enough, the only way to find an anchored container, by the way) OR by using scanner probes (can be very fast, but doesn't find cloaked ships).
Right now, warping to an empty safespot (as in, nothing else there) which nobody else has a bookmark to (say you just randomly created it mid-warp) and cloaking right after you land there is (barring some insanely low-chance of NPC spawns inside your safespot that uncloak you, and an even lower chance of somebody accidentally creating the exact same safespot BM) practically as safe as docking, as long as you go AFK instead of logging off.
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Andrue
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.01 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Andrue on 01/10/2008 07:16:20
Creating instas had the side effect of teaching you about an areas layout. I can still navigate around Domain from memory even though I've not been there for a couple of years. I even know that Rasile is 'to the right' of Nererut. To get to 'Reyi' (an old low-sec ratting ground) it's left, up/front, left or Nifshed, Bika, Reyi.
My current regions OTOH I have to rely on the autopilot and it doesn't have the same 'homely' feel about it. I doubt I could navigate to Jita from my Agent home even now and it's not that far.
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Sheriff Jones
Amarr
Clinical Experiment
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Posted - 2008.10.01 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Newb12s
I keep on hearing about instas, and I have no clue what they are, can somebody help me out?
Instances, where groups of people can go and l *runs*
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Na'Thuul
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.01 08:03:00 -
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Instas are from the good old days when we had to warp manually to gates at 15km, and fly to the gates, in the wind and rain, uphill and without an AB.
AND WE LIKED IT!
We didn't have the fancy stuff you kids these days take for granted, but we were happy with what little we had.
*shakes cane*
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Vancali
Minmatar
Black Moon Privateers
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Posted - 2008.10.01 18:02:00 -
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hehe, you live up to your name Newb.  I really don't miss those days of hundreds of BM for a region just so you could warp to 0. Took me ages to make them so I was a little upset that my "edge" was lost, but oh well, this is better.  |
Grim Vandal
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.01 18:14:00 -
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Instas should have been removed I really dont get tho why we need WTZ which is just pure gheyish!
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Treelox
Amarr
Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.01 18:16:00 -
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I had an insta in my pants once, what a mess......
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Terminus adacai
Caldari
Racey Bee
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Posted - 2008.10.01 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
Instas should have been removed I really dont get tho why we need WTZ which is just pure gheyish!
Because we had BM sellers that would sell regional sets, and everyone wanted them. The sheer number of BM's in game was overwhelming and was causing a significant amount of lag.
While the Devs did not like WTZ, it was the only option they had to clean out the millions of BM's in game that were eating away at the database.
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Faife
Minmatar
Noctiscion
The Black Isle
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Posted - 2008.10.01 18:50:00 -
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Originally by: Grim Vandal
Instas should have been removed I really dont get tho why we need WTZ which is just pure gheyish!
*hugs*
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MajikKat
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Posted - 2008.10.01 19:24:00 -
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Ahhhhh..instas. Fun days. Sneaking through enemy lines in cloaker trying to make instas for your invading fleet wilst the enemy was in arms reach. Too bad they were abused and sold by the whole region, CCP claims this created lag but who knows. Creating instas was an art....
So CCP has added full throttle when leaving station? I remember this was in the game from the beginning but I think CCP removed it with the cold war patch. It was too easy to leave station at full speed and then go into warp, made camping stations in Empire ridic.
(Just reactivated account)
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Haradgrim
Tyrell Corp
INTERDICTION
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Posted - 2008.10.01 20:03:00 -
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I support removal of WTZ and nerfing of any instas, there I said it  
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Beltantis Torrence
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Posted - 2008.10.01 21:14:00 -
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Originally by: Terminus adacai
Originally by: Grim Vandal
Instas should have been removed I really dont get tho why we need WTZ which is just pure gheyish!
Because we had BM sellers that would sell regional sets, and everyone wanted them. The sheer number of BM's in game was overwhelming and was causing a significant amount of lag.
While the Devs did not like WTZ, it was the only option they had to clean out the millions of BM's in game that were eating away at the database.
I thought (I'm pretty sure actually) that bookmarks aren't stored in the database. Or at least, when I play from my laptop all my bookmarks are gone.
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