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Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.03 12:31:00 -
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Originally by: Rothgar Detris I have to say.. The Drake is a bit of a spoiler. It is a LOT easier to tank than almost any other ship. The Raven is an extremely versitile ship, but needs higher skills and decent equipment, along with good planning and tactics, to decently solo lvl 4 missions.
I would actually strongly advocate for Cruise Missile Specialization and higher t2 Medium Drones as a must. Long range skills can also be a big assist, allowing you to enter from farther off, and pick off ships before they can start doing any serious damage.
By the time you have gotten to Raven, You SHOULD be qualified for most (if not all) T2 equipment, especially shields and engineering. And you will occasionally need to leave the field, recharge, and return. I can't stress enough the importance of good T2 equipment in a Raven, becuase it does not, and never will, have the shielding/protecting of the Drake. Therefore, you need to think more offensively than defensively eith the Raven, as that is what it is designed for.
Agreed, after taking my drake to its limits i laugh at how much damage it can actually take. The raven i had took no where near the amount of punishment, however, i think that properly fitted the raven could take more than the drake... As you said, skills make the player, the ship does not make the player.
Semper Fi |

Connor Banks
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.03 12:59:00 -
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Edited by: Connor Banks on 03/10/2008 12:59:52 Recently I also started to pilot a Raven for level 4 missions. It works very well even though I dont have T2 cruise launchers.
My first fit was: 6 XT9000 launchers, 2 drone links 1 XL shield booster, 1 shield boost amp, 3 T2 mission spec hardeners, 1 cap injector (w/800s) 3 T2 BCUs, 1 cpumod, 1 gridmod
While the above fit managed to complete level 4 missions, I needed to keep an eye on the cap since the cargo hold aint that large for more than a handful of 800 cap charges.
After browsing the eve forums i stumbled across the dual pithi-B type small shield booster setup. A setup with 2 small boosters allows for a better fits in low slots while keeping the cost to a minimum (30M for a small pithB shield booster).
My current fit: 6 XT9000 launchers, 1 drone link, 1 tractor beam 2 pithiB small shield booster, 1 shield boost amp, 3 mission spec shield hardeners 4 T2 BCUs, 1 PDU for cap (and shield) 2 CCC rigs to run the dual shield boosters indefinately.
I completed the Assault (guristas) with almost pulling complete aggro in the second pocket. No problems.
I really recommend my second fit for a beginner raven pilot. Fly safe! 
EDIT: I also use T2 medium drones.
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Harrent
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.03 13:48:00 -
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Originally by: Connor Banks Edited by: Connor Banks on 03/10/2008 12:59:52 Recently I also started to pilot a Raven for level 4 missions. It works very well even though I dont have T2 cruise launchers.
My first fit was: 6 XT9000 launchers, 2 drone links 1 XL shield booster, 1 shield boost amp, 3 T2 mission spec hardeners, 1 cap injector (w/800s) 3 T2 BCUs, 1 cpumod, 1 gridmod
While the above fit managed to complete level 4 missions, I needed to keep an eye on the cap since the cargo hold aint that large for more than a handful of 800 cap charges.
After browsing the eve forums i stumbled across the dual pithi-B type small shield booster setup. A setup with 2 small boosters allows for a better fits in low slots while keeping the cost to a minimum (30M for a small pithB shield booster).
My current fit: 6 XT9000 launchers, 1 drone link, 1 tractor beam 2 pithiB small shield booster, 1 shield boost amp, 3 mission spec shield hardeners 4 T2 BCUs, 1 PDU for cap (and shield) 2 CCC rigs to run the dual shield boosters indefinately.
I completed the Assault (guristas) with almost pulling complete aggro in the second pocket. No problems.
I really recommend my second fit for a beginner raven pilot. Fly safe! 
EDIT: I also use T2 medium drones.
Yes, i'm just able to use T2 weapon mods so the BCU's will all be T2, all the shield units should be T2 too for me, i dont have the T2 drones though and i will try this setup when i get my raven up to speed, right now i need about 50 mill to put it online.
I bought the raven yesterday and by tomorrow it should be mission capable.
Semper Fi |

Wannabehero
Caldari Absolutely No Retreat
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:30:00 -
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My Advice.
Stick with the Raven until you skill to a Golem, skip the CNR (Golem is a better option for missioning, and Raven will perform perfectly fine for you until you have the skills/ISK for Golem)
Train your Energy Management and Energy Systems Operation skills to V, now! Those skills are key, especially if you are a shield Tanker. Once you have those you can work on your Thermodynamics skill (overheated shield hardeners are soooo sweet).
Tech II cruises are great for the Raven, and work just fine on the Golem. However, because of ship bonuses, layout, and the nature of the double damage role bonus on the Golem (making expensive ammo acceptably cheap), it makes a gorgeous mission Torp Boat. Once you get Tech II cruises for you Raven, start working on your Torp skills along with your Marauders support skills (energy grid upgrades, advanced weapon upgrades, ect.) It will be a long haul (several months of training) but it is well worth it in the end.
When all is said and done, you will have a BEAST mission boat in the golem and a very powerful PvP option in the Raven (inexpensive with insurance payout, absolute pwnage as a gank torpedo fit or a remote rep cruise fit or anti-support cruise fit). With maxed torpedo skills and Caldari battleship skills and support skills, you will then be perfectly situated to make the leap into the Caldari Dread, the Phoenix, if you so choose that lifestyle at that time.
Safe Flying --
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Dieyno Mieyght
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Posted - 2008.10.03 16:36:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 02/10/2008 11:09:10
The Nighthawk isn't a particularly great mission ship either
now thats some funny shyt right there
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Naiary
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:04:00 -
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my self i prefer the rokh i like direct damage and no having to wait till these anyoing missile finally hit their targets.
so I just go with a rokh 350MM rails to keep fitting easy (can handle 425 but mostly use those only on my sniper boots) and some heavy and than i mean heavy tank. (deadspace/faction/crystals) just because i am not so careful with agro. some damge mods int he lows and off you go perhaps not as effective as a raven but more my stile. and the rokh looks at the very least 10 times better than the Raven or it variations.
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Derek Sigres
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:20:00 -
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Originally by: Naiary my self i prefer the rokh i like direct damage and no having to wait till these anyoing missile finally hit their targets.
so I just go with a rokh 350MM rails to keep fitting easy (can handle 425 but mostly use those only on my sniper boots) and some heavy and than i mean heavy tank. (deadspace/faction/crystals) just because i am not so careful with agro. some damge mods int he lows and off you go perhaps not as effective as a raven but more my stile. and the rokh looks at the very least 10 times better than the Raven or it variations.
Preference is of course a key when considering a ship. The Rokh can do level 4 missions but it simply doesn't do it as effeciently as a Raven of equal skill. I'm tempted to buy a Rokh again just so I don't have to look at my terrible, terrible raven while grinding cash and waiting out my skill training for a different race. |

Connor Banks
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:42:00 -
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Originally by: Dieyno Mieyght
Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 02/10/2008 11:09:10
The Nighthawk isn't a particularly great mission ship either
now thats some funny shyt right there
Not really. With max heavy launcher skills, good t2 drone skills, 4 t2 bcu's, fury ammo and range rigs it still felt like the Nighthawk could do better.
DPS is some 600 with kinetic ammo. Sure, small ships (BC and lower) died pretty quickly though the effect is quite lame on battleships. I blame it on defenders, plain and simple. My medium Raven with t1 cruiser launchers and 4 t2 bcu's does the job better .
Fly safe! 
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2008.10.04 12:00:00 -
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Originally by: Dieyno Mieyght
Originally by: Gypsio III Edited by: Gypsio III on 02/10/2008 11:09:10The Nighthawk isn't a particularly great mission ship either
now thats some funny shyt right there
Max-skilled triple-BCS NH with drones: 512 DPS (429 DPS non-kinetic) Max-skilled triple-BCS Cruise Raven with 5x HH II: 609 DPS
Neither has a problem running a L4 permatank. Most HP in a mission are in BS/BC, making the precision bonus little more than fluff. Raven is less SP-intensive.
So what exactly is the point of the Nighthawk again?  |

BiggestT
Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:22:00 -
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Originally by: Connor Banks
Not really. With max heavy launcher skills, good t2 drone skills, 4 t2 bcu's, fury ammo and range rigs it still felt like the Nighthawk could do better.
DPS is some 600 with kinetic ammo. Sure, small ships (BC and lower) died pretty quickly though the effect is quite lame on battleships. I blame it on defenders, plain and simple. My medium Raven with t1 cruiser launchers and 4 t2 bcu's does the job better .
This, its nothing special really  Awesome EVE history
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Guygeboe
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Posted - 2008.10.04 13:26:00 -
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Well, the NH hits frigs and cruisers better than the Raven with cruise missiles....so...maybe that compensates the 12.50% damage output :)
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