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Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.29 20:57:00 -
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CCP don't pass up this opportunity for in-game fun. With goons stated goal of 'burning down Jita' on the near horizon, how about playing this into an EVE story line element 'The Defense of Jita'. CONCORDE could enlist the aid of players in a home defense fleet. Perhaps provide kamikaze type boats that only detonate when they contact a goon member luuuulllllzzzzzz. Ill scarifice my alts all day long to keep Goons from violating our wimenz come that tarrible tarrible day. April 28th 2012 i believe. |
FloppieTheBanjoClown
The Skunkworks
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:30:00 -
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Organize a live event where, if the goons achieve a certain level of carnage (____ kills per hour), concord becomes overwhelmed and cannot respond to every gank. It's up to the players to tackle and execute the criminals.
I'm putting together ideas for some unique builds for my part in Burn Jita. Should be fun if I get involved. It's time to put an end to CCP's war on piracy. Fight your own battles and stop asking CCP to do it for you. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:36:00 -
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Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do. |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.29 21:50:00 -
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I suggest CCP do something because the people most affected by this will be casual players and they (we) usually have lives that preclude planning extensive in-game events. I can however log in and say '**** yeh concorde I'll drive kamikaze badgers into 1200 man goonfleets all day long that day. And love every minute of it.
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mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:02:00 -
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Benf Hawlr wrote: I suggest CCP do something because the people most affected by this will be casual players and they (we) usually have lives that preclude planning extensive in-game events. I can however log in and say '**** yeh concorde I'll drive kamikaze badgers into 1200 man goonfleets all day long that day. And love every minute of it.
No, CCP shouldn't do anything at all. What the Goons are planning to do in Jita is exactly the kind of gameplay that Eve encourages and thrives on. There's nothing at all wrong with it. |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.29 22:12:00 -
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No, CCP shouldn't do anything at all. What the Goons are planning to do in Jita is exactly the kind of gameplay that Eve encourages and thrives on. There's nothing at all wrong with it. [/quote]
Not only is there nothing wrong with it, its freaking great! And I would like to be involved in some way besides running my ships headlong at them and dieing. CCP could back a desperate defense which wold allow some parity between care bears and goons. I think this would actually bring the community together in an odd sort of way.
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Admiral Lysander
EVE Syndicate Navy Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.03.30 13:57:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do.
And watch all of your DEF fleet get ripped apart because someone doesnt KNOW HS combat rules |
Nalha Saldana
Eternity INC. Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 14:18:00 -
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The good thing about eve is that live events dont need to be organized by CCP, its all based around what people do. |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:19:00 -
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Yah, i know its based around what people do. I sincerely hope goons f with Jita so long and so much that it changes the way gallente space operates. Decreasing trade centralization can only be good for the game. And they will f with Jita, and trade will become decentralized somewhat, and it will be a good thing. However I'll just avoid Jita for a little bit, because there is no way I or the five active guys in my mains corp can have any impact in this nor are we likely to spend time organizing a counter offensive.
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Iman Atheist
Painless Gain Ventures
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Posted - 2012.03.30 17:23:00 -
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True, but I think CCP should think of some way to prevent people who are fighting the ganker fleet from being popped by CONCORD.
In essence, CONCORD should be able to tell when somebody is helping them against the gankers, and not shoot that ship.
That is all.
EDIT: Heh, and I don't even like Jita. I'd actually like some other hubs to gain in importance. |
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 18:51:00 -
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Why shouldn't CCP do anything??
This has been driving me crazy since the icecapades in Gallente space.
Both concord and the factions are responsible for keeping their high sec systems safe. So, why do they not respond to a hostile take over by player corps/alliances?
They're part of a sand box game, so they need to have a sandbox style response. Perhaps since it's Caldari space, then perhaps Caldari would declare war on Goonswarm, thus allowing FW players to freely shoot Goons in Caldari space?
In that same window, if you wish to assist in taking down the Goons and stopping their Invation, then all you'd need to do is join the Caldari FW team.
This not only pulls the factions into the realm of the sand box, but also gives CCP the opportunity to create player based incursions. How awesome would it be to have pure pvp incursions???? |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.30 19:05:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Why shouldn't CCP do anything??
This has been driving me crazy since the icecapades in Gallente space.
Both concord and the factions are responsible for keeping their high sec systems safe. So, why do they not respond to a hostile take over by player corps/alliances?
They're part of a sand box game, so they need to have a sandbox style response. Perhaps since it's Caldari space, then perhaps Caldari would declare war on Goonswarm, thus allowing FW players to freely shoot Goons in Caldari space?
In that same window, if you wish to assist in taking down the Goons and stopping their Invation, then all you'd need to do is join the Caldari FW team.
This not only pulls the factions into the realm of the sand box, but also gives CCP the opportunity to create player based incursions. How awesome would it be to have pure pvp incursions????
CCP shouldn't do anything because anything they could do would be contrived. The ONLY thing the Goons have in ganking in Jita (or anywhere) that 'defenders' don't have right now is coordination. Seriously, that's it. If every highsec player got together as a group and decided to gank every single Goon in highsec, it would be just as valid as what the Goons are planning to do.
If people want to fight Goons, then there is nothing stopping them except their own cowardice and unwillingness to band together. CCP shouldn't be deciding "these people are ok to attack in highsec, but these aren't". Goons have no innate advantage or disadvantage in ganking people compared to highsec people, the ONLY difference is that they are organized and have the guts to attack. That's it.
Oh, and if you think ISK is an issue, some of the richest characters in Eve are traders in Jita (Goons may have moon goo, but much/most of the moon goo goes through the hands of the traders in Jita). If people truly want to repel Goons from Jita, there is financial backing to be had. |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 21:38:00 -
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There is no reason the sandbox owner cannot create a sandbox event that will organize a response to the goons that day. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming response. Perhaps a CONCORDE call to arms. I think it'd be fun for everyone including goons. This Jita thing sounds very predictable; well organized goons come in and screw with poorly organized everyone else. Ends when goons get bored. O thats so much fun. I also would love to see a day or two where CONCORDE rebels or becomes ineffective and chaos reigns in high sec. Anything to put some dynamic action into this game.. Something to mix it up a bit. |
Danika Princip
Freelance Economics Astrological resources Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:04:00 -
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Benf Hawlr wrote: There is no reason the sandbox owner cannot create a sandbox event that will organize a response to the goons that day. It doesn't have to be an overwhelming response. Perhaps a CONCORDE call to arms. I think it'd be fun for everyone including goons. This Jita thing sounds very predictable; well organized goons come in and screw with poorly organized everyone else. Ends when goons get bored. O thats so much fun. I also would love to see a day or two where CONCORDE rebels or becomes ineffective and chaos reigns in high sec. Anything to put some dynamic action into this game.. Something to mix it up a bit.
Arrange it yourself. |
Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:06:00 -
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CCP and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape?? |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:49:00 -
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The faction warfare idea sounds pretty good to me. |
Nekopyat
Nee-Co
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Posted - 2012.03.30 22:59:00 -
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Well, since high sec stations can not really be attacked, CCP would have to come in if they were REALLY going to do something with Jita....
Heh... could you imagine the economic impact if Jita 4-4 was popped? |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:10:00 -
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I was gonna suggest that CCP have a concorde rebellion. Have them travel into null and smash some sov structures or even blow up a whole station with everything inside. Remember the disclaimer on the startup screen, Game play subject to change or something to that effect. That'd for sure change game play lol. |
Mirrodin
eXceed Inc. No Holes Barred
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Posted - 2012.03.30 23:41:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:Concord and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape??
You may be confused as to the definition of "sandbox" |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 02:38:00 -
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Iman Atheist wrote:I'd love to be in that defence fleet.
Hmm, your arguments against interference are valid, but I think CCP should at least think of some way to prevent people who are fighting the ganker fleet from being popped by CONCORD. In essence, CONCORD should be able to tell when somebody is helping them against the gankers, and not shoot that ship. That is all.
Heh, and I don't even like Jita. I'd actually like some other hubs to have more traffic and gain in importance. The more people out of Jita the be-- Wait, am I rooting for the Goons here?... Inner conflict... growing... Must resolve... cognitive dissonance...
Maybe if a single corp or alliance gets x kills in x minutes the whole corp or alliance in that system or one jump out, gets criminal status for x minutes. |
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 04:18:00 -
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Mirrodin wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Concord and factions are part of the sand box, they should have a sandbox response. How are players to shape Eve if there are still parts of Eve that dont' shape?? You may be confused as to the definition of "sandbox"
So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"?
From what I and everyone else understands it to be, its a system designed to where the players determine the events whcih can change the over aspect of the sandbox.
So, if goons assault Jita, then in the scope of a sand box, wouldn't this call for a response from the caldari, such as declaring war on goons in order to protect their sovereign territory?
Everyone wants Eve to be more of a sand box but when you mention the idea of aspects of the sandbox responding in the manner a sand box should, idiots cry foul. |
mxzf
Shovel Bros
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:13:00 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"?
You're missing the part where players actually do stuff themselves, rather than asking for CCP to hold their hands.
Let me say this again, to make it perfectly clear: NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM FIGHTING BACK. Did you get that? You can fight back against the Goons, you don't need CCP's permission or help to do so. Stop looking for CCP to hold your hand and protect you before you're willing to fight back, just do it. |
Benf Hawlr
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:18:00 -
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I really don't think anyone wants their hand held. CCP could put more 'play' in the game by providing a guerilla tactic or concord fleet to allow the confused masses a chance at retribution. Stop being obtuse and pretending casual care bears can oppose big goon ops without some new mechanic. I vote for concorde issued kamikaze badgers that only detonate against corp/alliance members that have killed more than 20 non war decced ships in 10 minutes, in system or in systems one jump out from the killing fields. I'll fight back with one of those.
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Joe Risalo
State War Academy Caldari State
214
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:35:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:So what exactly am I not understanding about the term "sandbox"? You're missing the part where players actually do stuff themselves, rather than asking for CCP to hold their hands. Let me say this again, to make it perfectly clear: NOTHING IS STOPPING YOU FROM FIGHTING BACK. Did you get that? You can fight back against the Goons, you don't need CCP's permission or help to do so. Stop looking for CCP to hold your hand and protect you before you're willing to fight back, just do it.
I'm not asking CCP to do something about it before it happens, I'm just saying if/when it happens, I would think it's totally fit for the faction involved to declare war on the Goons and allow them to be war targets for FW players. |
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
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Posted - 2012.03.31 19:43:00 -
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mxzf wrote:Why should CCP do anything? If people want to counter-gank Goons, then go for it. We don't need CCP to hold our hand any more than Goons do. Yeah I'd guess they are going to use alpha tornados with very little tank to try and take out freighters. I bet you could get through that with an alpha thrasher or something else that is cheaper than a tornado.
If you see any tier 3 BCs sitting outside jita waiting to blast someone by all means use a cheaper ship to blow them up. You'll win the isk war. |
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