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Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:47:00 -
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It's exactly because it has lost direct context to the people in question that it has fallen into common usage as a term for money making.
Does the fact that it is largely a positive stereotype bother you in any way? Do Asians get offended if they hear themselves referred to as being good with math? Do the Japanese cry when people think they're good at making robots? Do the Germans complain when people think they are efficient? Do the French complain when you think they are good lovers?
As a member of my own religion, Khanoria, I am offended to my very core that people post with NPC alts rather than dare attach an opinion to an already fake persona.
Does that mean you should never post lest you offend me?
Actually, yeah. Let's go with that. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
138
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:48:00 -
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Whenever you find someone using language that offends you, report or petition (under EULA violation) them. No moderator of anything, let alone game and forums of this size, can ever hope to moderate without people reporting offensive bits. Even if you actually could read everything, your eyes would glaze over and skip stuff that should have been snipped.
Don't worry about whether you are reporting or petitioning the "right" things. A report/petition is not a judgment, it's just a call for the guys who make the judgments to take a look. And I assure you (having moderated a lot of stuff myself), if you start generating too many reports for stuff that is actually not at all against the rules, they will tell you.
And yes, I know it is tedious to petition every use of "gay" as insult. But that's the only way you can actually help make stuff like that stop. CCP saying people will have to stop won't help, if they have no way to find the places where they need to enforce it. |
Pop Bear
Guerrilla Cartel Lawful Insanity
9
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Posted - 2012.03.30 08:51:00 -
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Callduron wrote: The N-word
You'd have us saying "The J-Word" if you had your way.
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Callduron
114
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:28:00 -
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Ajita al Tchar wrote:Raiykjab wrote:OP forget it, a big part of the EVE player base is too immature to understand that jew used as money maker is pejorative. Back then in Europe it costed them to end up in work camps that turned into extermination camps later on, nugh said.
Just wait for Sony to absorb CCP, they'll just ban the jackass like any other game companies and those jackass will go play on a new f2p private server. Jesus what the ****. More than half of my relatives who lived between 1941 and 1945 died directly as a result of N a z i Germany's actions in the Soviet Union, and those who lived can tell harrowing stories because they suffered more than I can imagine. Men and women, many picked up guns and fought, the others fought in a different way, by tending to the wounded and trying to live and making their little children's survival a priority (and some were just too young). They weren't soldiers, mostly teachers, academics and farmers. Some died from wounds, some died in combat action or in bombings, some died of hunger, some were herded into a barn with those from their villages who didn't agree to cooperate with the invaders and burned down alive, men, women and children. None of them were Jewish. The people who lived, even those who were very young at the time, have lived with the memories of horror, deaths, torture, r a p e and starvation, many with severely manifested PTSD. Again, not Jewish. They *were* Slavs though, another group of people targeted by the madman as being inferior and a supposed political, genetic and social pestilence upon the world. Stop appropriating the suffering that millions and millions of people from many places in the world underwent in that war and the years immediately prior. Not nearly as many Westerners are familiar with the atrocities committed against non-Jewish Russians, Ukrainians, Belorussians, etc. but ignorance doesn't change the facts of what happened. No one can take away the experiences of Jewish people around the time of WW II, but they are hardly the only group of people affected, stop living like that burden of a horrible past is yours alone to carry for generations upon generations. I'm one of MANY people who don't freak out at every mention of "Russian = bad, Slavic countries = mostly a clusterfuck". I speak out openly against war probably because I've talked extensively to survivors of WW II, read other people's stories, and am old enough to have done so as an adult. But there's no generational victim complex here, and I'm far from unique in that respect. People love to draw lines between "us" and "them" using just about any characteristic--religion, nationality, sexuality, gender, appearance, etc. Using the word "jew" to mean something else than its intended meaning isn't something that's unique to this word or to Jewish people, and at this point in its history it doesn't carry nearly as negative of a social connotation as some other words that describe groups of people (I'm sure you can think of a few). It might change. It probably won't. Either way, stop feeling so victimized, it's not a good look for you. Everyone can go through life with a victim's attitude, it's not a unique trait (but it can be a pretty obnoxious one).
No offence was meant to Slavic people. I respect the courage Russians, Ukrainians, etc showed during the Second World War, which is a large part of the reason we're free to debate these matters now.
I don't quite see why you characterise me as "feeling so victimized". I don't feel victimised. I'm not a victim. I simply dislike casual unthinking racism or discrimination. I'd feel so if the word were slavs. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
467
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:33:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:There is a reason that it is less racist now. Guess what - the PC brigade were a huge cause of that! People didn't just stop the casual racism for no reason. They stopped it because it became socially unacceptable and it became socially unacceptable because people put pressure on (or 'whined at') those who used racist language. Casual use of words like ****** or jew is usually not coming from a racist place in eve. However, it is frequently used in the HOPE that it will cause offence, not because people want to offend those of other races specifically but because they want to offend someone. Most people are going to be able to laugh it off. But let's not pretend that real racism is a thing of the past, eh? People still get targeted and killed due to their race. In the UK and the US. Kids still get bullied at school and have their lives made miserable. Given this real world context, some people who come to eve ARE going to be offended by this language and they're going to be offended for damn good reasons because they will already have suffered from negative stereotyping. Against this you have to set the freedom of a bunch of kids to feel cool because they are being transgressive. Personally, the giggles of a few under-nourished personalities seem like a pretty poor reason to risk causing genuine deeply felt offence to people and those that use this kind of language should take a long look at themselves and consider whether the fun of going out of bounds is worth risking actual hurt to real people. But should it be banned? Probably not, unless it reaches the levels where it constitutes incitement. Edit - Holy ****! I thought the baa baa black sheep stuff was dead 20 years ago. I just checked and it is actually still a live issue . Edit2 - And on checking further it turns out to be a good old Daily Mail type scare story: Wikipedia wrote: A controversy emerged over changing the language of 'Baa Baa Black Sheep' in Britain from 1986, because, it was alleged in the popular press, it was seen as racially dubious. This was based only on a rewriting of the rhyme in one private nursery as an exercise for the children there and not on any local government policy. A similar controversy emerged in 1999 when reservations about the rhyme were submitted to Birmingham City Council by a working group on racism in children's resources, which were never approved or implemented. Two private nurseries in Oxfordshire in 2006 altered the song to "Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep", with black being replaced with a variety of other adjectives, like "happy, sad, hopping" and "pink". Commentators have asserted that these controversies have been exaggerated or distorted by some elements of the press as part of a more general campaign against political correctness.
I wasnt saying political correctness (I hate that term, the term should really be morally correct) is wrong and I would never defend racism or any other form of discrimination. However PC gone insane is a real issue that needs to be addressed.
I have to admit that people claiming their morale outrage for others who actaully dont care a toss annoys teh hell out of me though. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Graic Gabtar
The Lemon Party
56
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:34:00 -
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People are mean to Australians.
Can we ban all those people as well please? EVE shall be purged by fire - please Gods let them ALL burn in Jita. |
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
86
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:34:00 -
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I blame the Germans. After all, everyone knows they are all Not-Sees. And everyone knows that they hate jews.
Come on, CCP, ban them already! Unbanned since 2011.10.20. |
Basileus Volkan
Merch Industrial Goonswarm Federation
107
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:36:00 -
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Graic Gabtar wrote:People are mean to Australians.
Can we ban all those people as well please?
Yea, let's ban those damn aussies already. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
320
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:54:00 -
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This is not acceptable. |
The Antiquarian
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
320
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Posted - 2012.03.30 09:56:00 -
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Stellar Vix wrote:Actually its people and posts like this that spreads the antisemitism around further. There are a lot of people who don't know about such things until you make them aware of it.
This is such a pathetic logic. Are you saying that living in ignorance is much better? Education system nowadays... |
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WisdomLikeSilence
The Cursed Navy Tactical Narcotics Team
89
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:01:00 -
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Please do not confuse the internets version of homophobic, bigoted sexism as ACTUAL bigotry, homophobia or sexism.
In the main, its satirical in nature, intend to 'offend' for sure, but in a round about way, the targets are actual bigots, homophobes and sexists who think everyone agrees with them.
I suppose the best example of this kind of satire is southpark. Sure theres a lot of offense language and insensitive shenanigans going on, but it is framed by the characters, its not to be confused with the actual opinions of its writers.
Of course there ARE some real bigots and misogynists and antisemites and islamophobes and hibernophobes (anti-irish) so that makes the issue a bit cloudy, but for these sad individuals simply having to be themselves everyday is punishment enough I suppose. It must be exhausting.
If we all pretended to be nice characters in a game where you are supposed to kill each other, it would be a bit weird and dare I say - a bit gay. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
561
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:14:00 -
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I find people who get offended when humor is applied in context to stereotypical views of their ethnicity, race, religion, etc to be the biggest bigots of them all. I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
127
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:23:00 -
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Alpheias wrote:I find people who get offended when humor is applied in context to stereotypical views of their ethnicity, race, religion, etc to be the biggest bigots of them all.
That's because you are a ******* moro..... That's because you are intellectually challenged. |
Alpheias
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
561
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:26:00 -
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Kara Roideater wrote:Alpheias wrote:I find people who get offended when humor is applied in context to stereotypical views of their ethnicity, race, religion, etc to be the biggest bigots of them all. That's because you are a ******* moro..... That's because you are intellectually challenged.
So hateful... I'd kill kittens and puppies and bunnies I'd maim toddlers and teens and then more |
Prince Kobol
460
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:33:00 -
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For me a word by itself means very little, it is the context that it is used in that is important.
You call somebody "A stupid ******* (insert ethic reference here) bastard" then for me that is being racist and completely unacceptable in any environment and it argue different is basically saying you are also a racist.
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Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
180
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Posted - 2012.03.30 10:41:00 -
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"Antisemitism rife in Eve Online"
"NAACP targets CCP in anti-racist campaign"
"Eve Online player commits suicide after racist cyber-bullying"
"Germany bans Eve Online after antisemitic scandal"
Some of the headlines that CCP can look forward to if it doesn't act. CCP is trying to attract subscribers from other countries like Japan who may not understand or appreciate dark, satirical humour. And obviously there are those knobheads who take things too far and start hurling racial and sexist insults. I remember listening to a pre-recorded vent where some corp members teased a female player and accused her of enjoying being raped by her now-deceased father. Obviously she logged in tears. Very ****** up.
Watch your back CCP. |
Aruken Marr
BSC LEGION Tactical Narcotics Team
50
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:04:00 -
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Are these people ******* serious? |
Ciar Meara
Virtus Vindice
571
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:06:00 -
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I'd blame Southpark.
Btw, ever played an FPS, your not going to enjoy DUST 514 speak if you are offended by this. - [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow] |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:06:00 -
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The op needs to H.T.F.U.
This is a big peoples game, if you cant handle it GTFO. FREE THE MITTANI ---- 10058 AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast |
Jhoria Englside
Hedron Industries Checkmate.
0
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:11:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Is it in poor taste? Sure.
Am I offended? Not really, no.
I can't speak for all Jews, but many of us have learned to just shrug off this kind of thing. If you got upset over every tiny stereotype and slur, you'd never be happy.
No matter what your ethnicity, there are always people seeking to dehumanize and disparage you. It's best just to ignore it.
Obviously, if there's ever any real malicious intent behind it you should probably report it. But am I gonna petition every single person who stereotypes Jews as profiteering and greedy? Nah. I've got better things to do. Too bad people can't do this with the word ******. |
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ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
40
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:16:00 -
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Aruken Marr wrote:Are these people ******* serious?
unfortunately they are! FREE THE MITTANI ---- 10058 AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast |
Shawnm339
Unknown Soldiers GIANTSBANE.
65
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:23:00 -
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Amity Lane wrote:Is it in poor taste? Sure.
Am I offended? Not really, no.
I can't speak for all Jews, but many of us have learned to just shrug off this kind of thing. If you got upset over every tiny stereotype and slur, you'd never be happy.
No matter what your ethnicity, there are always people seeking to dehumanize and disparage you. It's best just to ignore it.
Obviously, if there's ever any real malicious intent behind it you should probably report it. But am I gonna petition every single person who stereotypes Jews as profiteering and greedy? Nah. I've got better things to do.
like making isk?
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Caliph Muhammed
Short Bus Friends
98
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:24:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:"Antisemitism rife in Eve Online"
"NAACP targets CCP in anti-racist campaign"
"Eve Online player commits suicide after racist cyber-bullying"
"Germany bans Eve Online after antisemitic scandal"
Some of the headlines that CCP can look forward to if it doesn't act. CCP is trying to attract subscribers from other countries like Japan who may not understand or appreciate dark, satirical humour. And obviously there are those knobheads who take things too far and start hurling racial and sexist insults. I remember listening to a pre-recorded vent where some corp members teased a female player and accused her of enjoying being raped by her now-deceased father. Obviously she logged in tears. Very ****** up.
Watch your back CCP.
On behalf of the viking people go to hell and a big laugh at your threats.
This thread shows exactly how the silencing of speech begins.
The problem is created out of thin air, in this case the Jewes have decided anti semitism is an issue in game.
Next comes the reaction. All of said persuasion come out of the wood work with manufactured disgust.
Then will come a solution. Here's where it gets deep. The initial solution will be to prevent anyone from saying anything directly about the mindset creating the dichotomy. The Jewes. Once this happens its impossible to ever stop a never ending crusade originating from one direction because to object leads to being labeled a racist and when necessary antisemite.
Its the first assault in a never ending assault to place the special ones into a position of authority and power over anyone else.
It work's out of game it can just as easily work in game.
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Zalifer Esepula
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
3
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:27:00 -
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Words are a way of conveying your thoughts and feelings. "Jew" in EVE has no antisemitic connotations, much as 4chan call people "samefag" or "XYZfag" without actually meaning the person is gay. In Ireland people call things gay without meaning that it is actually somehow homosexual in nature.
Jew is also not a racial slur, and there is a stereotype of jews being money grabbing, so from my perspective, its just a **** take on the stereotype, like how us Irish are all stereotyped to be drunks.
Now back to my whiskey. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
473
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Posted - 2012.03.30 11:47:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:"Antisemitism rife in Eve Online"
"NAACP targets CCP in anti-racist campaign"
"Eve Online player commits suicide after racist cyber-bullying"
"Germany bans Eve Online after antisemitic scandal"
Some of the headlines that CCP can look forward to if it doesn't act. CCP is trying to attract subscribers from other countries like Japan who may not understand or appreciate dark, satirical humour. And obviously there are those knobheads who take things too far and start hurling racial and sexist insults. I remember listening to a pre-recorded vent where some corp members teased a female player and accused her of enjoying being raped by her now-deceased father. Obviously she logged in tears. Very ****** up.
Watch your back CCP.
So your implying that people in Japan are somehow lacking in satirical senses of humour or are somehow unable to interact with the rest of the world without being offended? Are you serious?
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
992
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:02:00 -
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Kaivar Lancer wrote:"Antisemitism rife in Eve Online"
"NAACP targets CCP in anti-racist campaign"
"Eve Online player commits suicide after racist cyber-bullying"
"Germany bans Eve Online after antisemitic scandal"
Some of the headlines that CCP can look forward to if it doesn't act. CCP is trying to attract subscribers from other countries like Japan who may not understand or appreciate dark, satirical humour. And obviously there are those knobheads who take things too far and start hurling racial and sexist insults. I remember listening to a pre-recorded vent where some corp members teased a female player and accused her of enjoying being raped by her now-deceased father. Obviously she logged in tears. Very ****** up.
Watch your back CCP.
Nice I'm-going-to-assume-CCP-are-scared-of-bad-press-and-will-use-this-to-force-a-stupid-agenda bandwaggoning, bro!
Your threats are laughable, and I sincerely hope you're banned for them. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Khanh'rhh
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
992
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:03:00 -
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BTW every single comment you have made can be said about the internet AND real world as a whole, so I'm at a ******* loss as to what you think CCP should do about it, should you actually consider complimentary racial profiling a problem. - "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
Elena Melkan
Paladin Order Fidelas Constans
14
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:36:00 -
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When I first saw this thread and the OP, I had to blink my eyes couple of times, because I couldn't believe it was true. Then I was like... 'are these people actually serious?'. Then I laughed, a lot.
There are jokes made from almost every ethnicity, nationality and religion there is. The jokes are not meant to be flattering, but if you have a sense of humor, you know it is a joke. And thus don't take it too seriously. I can happily laugh at jokes made from my country and my people.
As Mittani is not going to be CSM Chairman this year (is he going to be in CSM at all, no?), he is now just an ordinary player. If we - players - should be held responsible for what we say in game, let's say about throwing fairly innocent joke about Jewish (or Americans, Asians, Muslims, Russians etc etc.) people, hundreds of us would be banned. |
White Tree
the boltzmann experience Confederation of xXPIZZAXx
805
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:37:00 -
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Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg wrote: U Mad Gentiles
lol |
Aiifa
Clann Fian Narwhals Ate My Duck
36
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Posted - 2012.03.30 12:38:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Vanir Tsero wrote:If you are getting offended by this word in EvE Online, You may want to seek another game.
EvE players are notorious for their thick skin and shady antics. EvE itself is immersive and you are your character. That character can be anything from a pirate to a scoundrel to an upstanding Amarr Empire Fighter. Those choices are yours. The language you use and the way you treat others is part of your character. Just as people are offensive in real life, so are characters in EvE Online.
You need to grow some meat sack armor or you will never have a good time in EvE Online. This ^ I have a younger brother with Downs Syndrome, I dont kick off or even give a **** when people start throwing that around, posting pics and calling everyone a tard. When I was younger I punched a few people for it, I grew up and stopped caring about it, if we all worry about hurting someones feelings all the time we will all live alone, sad lonely lives. Well tbh probably many of you do anyway so sorry about that. But really, you will find the people crying about the use of anti this, or anti that names are actually the liberal white folks who want to try and save mankind, not the people it actually affects who got over it and accept that people are people. Basically what Im trying to say is get over yourself, you arnt here to save mankind.
Downs syndrome =/= r e t a r d e d (use vs mention CCP, I am very dissappointed in you)
HEY EVERYONE I'M OFFENDED
let's ban the person who made crucible happen k |
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