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Xavior Mousepractice
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:41:00 -
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Hi there.
I have been looking at the various joint faction battleships and there seems to be something of an imbalance - not in specs (not a nerf or buff whine) but just in what's available....
As far as I can tell, these are the options
- Amarr get to combine with Caldari (Nightmare) or Minmatar (Bhaalgorn)
- Caldari get to combine with Amarr (Nightmare) or Galente (Rattlesnake)
- Galente get to combine with Caldari (Rattlesnake) or Minmatar (Vindicator or Machariel)
- Minmatar get to combine with Amarr (Bhaalgorn) or Galente (Vindicator or Machariel)
Why the duplication on Galente-Minmatar options?
Where are the missing ones (Amarr-Galente) (Caldari-Minmatar)?
Any thoughts?
Cheers
XMP
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SystemaX1
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:45:00 -
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maybe the caldari mimatar and the gallente mimatar have not been designed yet
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:50:00 -
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Caldari Minmatar would be fun. But they gace Caldari the donwside in the faction battleships.
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Rawr Cristina
Caldari
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.02 11:59:00 -
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Amarr-Gallente... uhhh
Geddon with a Drone bonus?
Caldari-Minmatar...
Phoon with...
Ok I'm lost. 
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.02 12:03:00 -
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 Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Amarr-Gallente... uhhh
Geddon with a Drone bonus?
Blue/green Abaddon
8/4/8, 8 turrets
250m3 drone bay
25% bonus to large energy turret damage
5% armor resists/level
10% drone hitpoints/damage / level
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Caldari-Minmatar...
Phoon with...
Ok I'm lost.
Rokh with shield boost and torp bonuses!!1
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
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Malcanis
RuffRyders
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.02 12:19:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Originally by: Rawr Cristina
Amarr-Gallente... uhhh
Geddon with a Drone bonus?
Blue/green Abaddon
8/4/8, 8 turrets
250m3 drone bay
25% bonus to large energy turret damage
5% armor resists/level
10% drone hitpoints/damage / level
>_>
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Caldari-Minmatar...
Phoon with...
Ok I'm lost.
Rokh with shield boost and torp bonuses!!1
Huh given what CCP did with the Rattlesnake, we'd more likely get a rokh with Arty (and only arty) bonuses.
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Makavelia
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Posted - 2008.10.02 13:02:00 -
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caldari/mini
phoon with 7 launcher slots would rox. has reduced dmg but increased torp explosion volocity etc.. so it basicaly becomes to cruisers what the bomber is to frigates
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Inoriano
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Posted - 2008.10.02 13:20:00 -
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Originally by: Xavior Mousepractice
Hi there.
I have been looking at the various joint faction battleships and there seems to be something of an imbalance - not in specs (not a nerf or buff whine) but just in what's available....
As far as I can tell, these are the options
- Amarr get to combine with Caldari (Nightmare) or Minmatar (Bhaalgorn)
- Caldari get to combine with Amarr (Nightmare) or Galente (Rattlesnake)
- Galente get to combine with Caldari (Rattlesnake) or Minmatar (Vindicator or Machariel)
- Minmatar get to combine with Amarr (Bhaalgorn) or Galente (Vindicator or Machariel)
Why the duplication on Galente-Minmatar options?
Where are the missing ones (Amarr-Galente) (Caldari-Minmatar)?
Any thoughts?
Cheers
XMP
While I'd like(LOVE!) to see a Geddon with moar droneage, or something similar, I know the reason(rp-wise) why these ships aren't here.
Caldari-Amarr: these guys are united and have been since the great war.
Caldari-Gallente: These guys were pretty close before the great war...I think. I'm actually quite fuzzy on this one, but I remember reading soemthing...
Gallente-Minmatar: Same as Cal-Amarr.
Amarr-Minmatar: Amarr subjugated a lot of Minnies. It only makes sense they'd also expoilt their engineers and bastardise some ships.
So there's the rp-reasons, from what I can tell, but don't take my word as gospel, this is just what I think.
Non-rp reasons: That was when the devs' pizza turned up, so they didn't have time to finish making the other two ships.
Ino.
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Dr Takiyoma
Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE
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Posted - 2008.10.02 13:45:00 -
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Edited by: Dr Takiyoma on 02/10/2008 13:50:43
Each faction ship comes from a pirate gang, so something to do with the pirates in eve and everyone's standings etc.?
Machariel - angel
Bhaalgorn - blood raiders
rattlesnake - guristas
nightmare - sansha's nation
vindacator - serpentis
There are no other pirate corps..?
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LadySpiral
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Posted - 2008.10.02 14:02:00 -
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I think from an RP perspective it could well be becuase of the close ties between the serpentis and angel pirates. (To the uninitiated, the serpentis hired a whole wing of the angels to guard there stuff). To me, that pretty much explains why the angel and serpentis ships have interchangable skill reqs.
Now, the missing ships probably come from a lack of factions to posess them, and also possibly becuase of concerns over balance/worthness ...
Galente/Amarr would either be a drone boat with a massive amount of cap and armor (woot woot super domi) or a pulse/blaster boat with an armor tank... one of which would be broken, the other we already have...
As for caldari/minmatar... well... the shield boost bonus would be appalling aside from on some kinda uber-raven, which would be a shade too pwnful. A built in boost amp on a faction raven that would either HAVE to get another mid or another high. Shiney good.
The other combinations ... well ... scorp/phoon ? A tempest/raven ? Neither of those things are especially appealing...
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Terianna Eri
Amarr
Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.02 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Takiyoma
Edited by: Dr Takiyoma on 02/10/2008 13:50:43
Each faction ship comes from a pirate gang, so something to do with the pirates in eve and everyone's standings etc.?
Machariel - angel
Bhaalgorn - blood raiders
rattlesnake - guristas
nightmare - sansha's nation
vindacator - serpentis
There are no other pirate corps..?
EoM and "mercenary" maybe, plus "rogue drones" if you want to go there.
Maybe EoM are amarr/gallente, mercs are caldari-minmatar..?
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Originally by: Arthur Frayn
How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Dr Takiyoma
Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:21:00 -
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The ones listed all hold sov. Rogue drones have just infested regions...
Don't mercs fly ships that look like Machariels? EoM can't remember what they fly.
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Azuse
Brotherhood of Suicidal Priests
Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:46:00 -
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EoM fly geddons sporting khanid paint jobs and blasters 
As for the serp/angel ties, go visit serp prime and check which agents are there 
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Shardrael
Caldari
Titan Industries Technology Team
Shadow of xXDEATHXx
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:49:00 -
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caldari minny would be hawt
nano ravenphoon
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Securitas Protector
Final Conflict UK
Liberty.
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Posted - 2008.10.02 22:49:00 -
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EoM fly awesome looking black amarr ships with blue windows...
*drools*
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Foulque
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Posted - 2008.10.02 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Azuse
EoM fly geddons sporting khanid paint jobs and blasters
Also sporting Torps
Would so badly love a Khanid Torp Apoc 
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Kunming
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E
White Core
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Posted - 2008.10.02 23:43:00 -
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I think from a gameplay and skill value point of view, training for Amarr ships on top of Gallente is less rewarding than training for Minmatar.
Although if you look at the systems used by these races, training for Amarr and Gallente will mean you save on training for shields and missiles (in most cases).
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Dr Takiyoma
Traders Industrialists and Miners of EVE
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Posted - 2008.10.03 14:06:00 -
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Originally by: Foulque
Would so badly love a Khanid Torp Apoc
seconded!
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Karl Luckner
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Posted - 2008.10.03 16:58:00 -
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Caldari-Minmatar: Give me a Rokh with hybrid RoF and range bonus. Oh, and please Minmatar T2 Shield resists
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L.
The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Raymond Sterns on 03/10/2008 18:45:14
Originally by: Foulque
Originally by: Azuse
Would so badly love a Khanid Torp Apoc
Thirded.
Also, Mordu's Legion doesn't have a ship of their own. I don't do missions so I don't know what ships they use.
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:14:00 -
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Originally by: Xavior Mousepractice
Amarr get to combine with Caldari (Nightmare)
Sansha is a crazy bastard. Besides, Amarr and Caldari are allies, so technological exchanges wouldn't be unusual.
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or Minmatar (Bhaalgorn)
Blood Raiders are a vampire cult from Amarrian space.
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Caldari get to combine with Galente (Rattlesnake)
Guristas are Caldari pirates and enemies of the Caldari state. Of course they would make deals with other enemies of the Caldari.
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Galente get to combine with Minmatar (Vindicator or Machariel)
Gallente and Minmatar are allies.
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Why the duplication on Galente-Minmatar options?
Their respective pirate factions are also allies.
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Where are the missing ones (Amarr-Galente) (Caldari-Minmatar)?
There's just no affinity between Amarr and Gallente, nor Caldari and Minmatar, in EVE's back story. And the creators of this backstory chose not to write in any pirate factions that combined tech from those races.
-- The Theorem Theorem: If If, Then Then --
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Guillame Herschel
Gallente
Buffalo Soldiers
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:15:00 -
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Originally by: Terianna Eri
Maybe EoM are amarr/gallente, mercs are caldari-minmatar..?
That seems very plausible, based on the types of weapons and resists each of those factions have.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:23:00 -
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Non allied cross factions are still borderline RP acceptable. They are as it is since they have a good bakground around them.
I don't see the need to have more Non allied cross faction ships. Non necessary and not a gain RP wise.
Would only be cool for pure pew-pewness, epeeness, ego boostiness ... which we dont need or can already achieve as is it.
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Trevor Warps
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:25:00 -
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Originally by: Guillame Herschel
Originally by: Terianna Eri
Maybe EoM are amarr/gallente, mercs are caldari-minmatar..?
EoM, amarr-gallente ? Laser shooting, shield boosting ships ? Doesnt that scream Amarr-Caldari, or Nightmare to you ?
Mercs I dont know, but I would really be surprised to hear that CCP designed a NPC faction of any amarr-gallente or caldari-minmatar mix.
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