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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:52:00 -
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Maybe beyond the realm of douchebaggery?
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Maybe beyond the realm of douchebaggery?
Oh, you mean religion?
Have fun. _
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 18:59:00 -
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Yeah damn straight religion. Even though the organised religions often do alot of harm at least they try to promote goodness, and nobilty. While dissolutioned wastes of spaces go "whats the point?"
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Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:14:00 -
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Last I checked we advance by being stronger, meaner, faster, and smarter. Not by helping the weak. Not saying I'm against teamwork, but I am saying leave the weak behind to die. Encourage them to do the right thing to strengthen the human race by taking themselves out of it even. Now that's true altruism, laying down your life for the betterment of your species. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:23:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain Last I checked we advance by being stronger, meaner, faster, and smarter. Not by helping the weak. Not saying I'm against teamwork, but I am saying leave the weak behind to die. Encourage them to do the right thing to strengthen the human race by taking themselves out of it even. Now that's true altruism, laying down your life for the betterment of your species.
But that will happen regardless of what we do, but we dont have to be ********s by encouraging people to die do we? There is more to the improvement of our species than merely our genes.
Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak?
Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
Neither do delusionists and make believers. _
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:46:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
Neither do delusionists and make believers.
Nothing wrong with a little hope, and belief in god/s is powerful tool you just have to know where to point it
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: kor anon Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
Neither do delusionists and make believers.
Nothing wrong with a little hope, and belief in god/s is powerful tool you just have to know where to point it
Of course, of course.
Not like religion hasn't sparked some of the most horrible wars in humanity's history. _
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 19:51:00 -
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WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:03:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all
Thank you for proving my point. |
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kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: kor anon WArs happen because we like wars and we are good at em, we just need an excuse thats all
Thank you for proving my point.
Yes i agree we are in the shits now, BUT we have to start acting kindly in order for this behavior to fade
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Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:10:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak?
Darwins definition of weak is not physically weak. Genetic strength means lots of positive useful traits (high intellect as well as high physical strength.)
Originally by: kor anon Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
If you don't believe the statistics that's your choice, but statistics show very much so that it is still a dog eat dog world out there with massive numbers starving to death every day and over half the worlds population making less that $2 US a day, that that study was before the US economy took two to the face.
I am a realist, not a pessimist. Also, you need to take a good look behind you at what "humanities ranks" really look like. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
kor anon
Amarr Sons Of The Fallen BROTHERS GRIM.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:14:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: kor anon Oh right so your saying that smart people are not worthy to live if they happen to be weak?
Darwins definition of weak is not physically weak. Genetic strength means lots of positive useful traits (high intellect as well as high physical strength.)
Originally by: kor anon Now your living in a fantasy world mate, last time i checked we live in a pretty much non threatening environment -> survival of the fittest goes out the window there. Frankly your pessimistic nature and lack of faith in other people deserves no place within humanities ranks
If you don't believe the statistics that's your choice, but statistics show very much so that it is still a dog eat dog world out there with massive numbers starving to death every day and over half the worlds population making less that $2 US a day, that that study was before the US economy took two to the face.
I am a realist, not a pessimist. Also, you need to take a good look behind you at what "humanities ranks" really look like.
certainly not where you or i live mate else you wouldnt even be on these forums
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Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.03 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: kor anon certainly not where you or i live mate else you wouldnt even be on these forums
Not as much as the worst places in the world, but I've had some close calls and wouldn't still be alive if not for friends and family to take me in during the bad times.
But note that I asked for that help. That's where I draw the line, "helping" someone that doesn't want your help. -- Distortion| Distortion 2 Preview |
Crumplecorn
Gallente Eve Cluster Explorations
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Posted - 2008.10.03 21:05:00 -
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This seems to have devolved into a debate as to whether humanity should see itself in purely evolutionary terms, or aspire to be something 'better' - which is academic anyway since every region in the world has made its choice.
So here's a perspective a bit more relevant. Of those people who shouted at the kid to jump, how many of them relied on the fact that in this part of the world we have chosen to aspire to be 'better' and help the weak? Any of them on social welfare because they cannot work? Any of them have accidents and need significant hospital care? Heck, any of them wear glasses? If so, they are relying on this compassionate mindset, and then turning their backs on it by encouraging someone to kill themselves.
So take away these things rely on, and let them demonstrate that they will either survive with no exceptional level of help, or die trying. |
Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.03 21:35:00 -
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Why try to be better? We on the way out the door anyway |
Dantes Revenge
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Corwain
Originally by: Dantes Revenge While your analogy may seem plausible to you, the wolf does not have the mental capacity to feel as humans do, they are driven by instinct alone. Your dog does not "love" you, he is a pack animal and sees you as part of his pack.
Bull shit. You are underestimating the complexity of animals.
Quote: Rabbits form very strong emotional bonds with one anther. When they lose a companion through death or any other permanent separation, the survivor grieves. This grief may be expressed in ways that we expect such as loss of appetite and acting withdrawn. However, it may also manifest itself in ways that seem strange to us. An increase in destructive behavior, aggression or a deterioration in litterbox habits are sometimes observed in the surviving rabbit. Because rabbits communicate in non-verbal ways, it is difficult if not impossible to explain to them what happened to their friend. The mourning period is often greatly reduced if the survivor can spend a few hours with the body of her partner. This is the only way that they can learn and come to terms with the reality of death, by sniffing, seeing, and touching. If one rabbit dies while hospitalized, request the body to show the surviving rabbit. The bereaved rabbit will accept consolation more readily, knowing where his or her mate has gone. There have even been reports of rabbits who continued to search the house or wait expectantly for their missing partner to return for several weeks.
I notice the lack of reference for your source material, it came from Pets Weekly maybe? Something written by animal lovers who try to show animals have emtional responses?
Rabbits are monogomous by nature which is indicated by the rate at which they can breed. If they were not, we would have a real problem with the rabbit population. As such, they are not mourning their partner, simply verifying that their current partner is gone forever before moving on to another. Being able to see the dead body ensures they realise while seperation leads them to do all manner of things, even searching to ensure their partner is gone. Animals have limited brain power and it is more probable that, because they can only concentrate on one thing at a time means they forget to eat etc. I've been through this arguement with someone before and I refuse to believe that any animal has emotional responses. I can reason how it is instinct just as easily as emotion that drives animals to do certain things. I've never seen a rabbit try to commit suicide because he lost a partner.
Explain then why a dog will attack you if he considers you weaker than he is? A simple show of mastery will calm even the most ferocious dog into a whimpering pet. If you show him why you are the alpha, he will follow you. It's not love that makes him do that, it's pack instinct, survival of the fittest. Alsations are notorious for turning on soft owners and my friend had to beat his dog savagely with a large lump of wood before it backed down and realised. Now it follows him everywhere, follows commands and appears to be everyones dream pet. If you beat someone who loves you half to death, don't you think that the love would be diminished considerably and, at the first opportunity, they would be off to someone who returns their love? That is why dogs don't do that, you have proved that you are strong and fit to be considered the alpha of the pack.
I think it is you and others like you who are underestimating the complexity of instinct.
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B0rn2KiLL
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:50:00 -
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Right, and i get asked why i don't like people? **** you.
here's to a nuclear ending to this god damned heartless race! *drinks* ---
Originally by: Oveur It's important to understand that EVE is a "PvP" focused game
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:51:00 -
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No need for insults --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!! |
PounderPlums McLovin
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Posted - 2008.10.03 22:56:00 -
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Well i do agree on some points, yes the human crowd mentality drops IQ faster then americans can charge up a visa card. Yes i do suppose we should all be much more compationate and not so ambivalant. Well i hell i call shananagans on that! Screw the kid, i would have been the first to start chanting jump.
If you can't pull your weight then get out of the gene-pool
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 23:33:00 -
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lol, hypocrisy. |
Corwain
Gallente DIE WITH HONOUR
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Posted - 2008.10.04 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Dantes Revenge Rabbits are monogomous by nature which is indicated by the rate at which they can breed. If they were not, we would have a real problem with the rabbit population. As such, they are not mourning their partner, simply verifying that their current partner is gone forever before moving on to another. Being able to see the dead body ensures they realise while seperation leads them to do all manner of things, even searching to ensure their partner is gone. Animals have limited brain power and it is more probable that, because they can only concentrate on one thing at a time means they forget to eat etc. I've been through this arguement with someone before and I refuse to believe that any animal has emotional responses. I can reason how it is instinct just as easily as emotion that drives animals to do certain things. I've never seen a rabbit try to commit suicide because he lost a partner.
Explain then why a dog will attack you if he considers you weaker than he is? A simple show of mastery will calm even the most ferocious dog into a whimpering pet. If you show him why you are the alpha, he will follow you. It's not love that makes him do that, it's pack instinct, survival of the fittest. Alsations are notorious for turning on soft owners and my friend had to beat his dog savagely with a large lump of wood before it backed down and realised. Now it follows him everywhere, follows commands and appears to be everyones dream pet. If you beat someone who loves you half to death, don't you think that the love would be diminished considerably and, at the first opportunity, they would be off to someone who returns their love? That is why dogs don't do that, you have proved that you are strong and fit to be considered the alpha of the pack.
I think it is you and others like you who are underestimating the complexity of instinct.
1. I grabbed that particular quote from a pet info website, yes. That doesn't discout its validity. You're missing something though, I didn't say mate, I said BONDED PAIR. Rabbits bonding with each other is not mating, it is how rabbits form their social groups. Rabbits can form bonded trios, quartets, etc. etc. So they're not mates, their relationship can be more closely compared to what would be a lifelong friend in human terms. Rabbits can bond not only with other rabbits, but also with animals of different species: dogs, cats, even people. A good sign of a bond is that the rabbit will groom those that it is bonded to.
2. The social structure of dogs does not disprove that there are emotions involved. It is ridiculous of you to state that animals have no emotions, to anyone that has spent any length of time with the more intelligent animals it is very clear that animals not only have emotions, but other things like sense of humor. Man is just an animal after all, and emotions are important to survival.
According to a psychology textbook in my possession there are 7 universally recognized emotions. Perhaps you don't know what emotions are, some examples are: fear, surprise, happiness, sadness, and disgust. Maybe you think that your dog was just ACTING surprised when the cat dive bombed him when he was asleep but really wasn't? |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.04 05:10:00 -
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Whats all this. Humans are animals you know.
Some animals are more advanced from other animals. I find it hard to believe that humans are the ONLY animals that have emotions. That does not mean most animals have them.
Same thing for plants probably. I bet some plants are more complex than other plants. Its harder for us to understand plants though because they are so different from us we have totally no frame of reference to even begin trying to ponder what their form of awareness is.
Trying to translate animal behavior into human behavior is stupid, it doesn't work that way. But remember we all come from the same planet, and evolved from the same thing. The way our minds work have much more in common with the way a dogs mind works than the way some sort of alien dogs mind works.
And we are more closely related to cabbage than we would be to some alien. And truly may understand cabbage better than we can relate to even an intelligent alien. |
Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.04 06:51:00 -
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Lol whoat |
Seroquel
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:14:00 -
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There is so much stupid in your post, where does one start?
Originally by: PounderPlums McLovin Well i do agree on some points, yes the human crowd mentality drops IQ faster then americans can charge up a visa card. Yes i do suppose we should all be much more compationate and not so ambivalant. Well i hell i call shananagans on that! Screw the kid, i would have been the first to start chanting jump.
If you can't pull your weight then get out of the gene-pool
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Brock Nelson
Caldari Flux Technologies Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:29:00 -
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I'm mixed on this; I don't feel sorry for this guy, I feel sorry for his family who has to mourn for him. He's selfish in killing himself. On the other hand, that is pretty stupid of the crowd to demand that he jump. What kind of ****ing society does that?
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