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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:33:00 -
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There would be no more threat of 'alt spies'. Newer players would have an easier time intigrating into the community and not run off after a month or so. 0.0 would open up for neutral characters since the general trust level of the game has gone up. They would bring trade. There would be empire prices in 0.0. The extra movement between high sec and 0.0 would populate low sec and pirates would have more targets. The extra activity in general in low sec would make it safer bringing more mission runners to low sec and even miners.
There would be no falcon alts. No probe alts. No forum alts. If you wanted to scam you would do it on your main.
Alts are what kills low sec. Alts are what destroys pvp. Alts are what screw up politics.
Just get rid of every single alt. I don't care how. Ask god to do it. But every alt should die.
Buff amarr.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:36:00 -
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Die.
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Trist Ian
Free Galactic Enterprises Violent-Tendencies
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:37:00 -
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Edited by: Trist Ian on 03/10/2008 02:37:42 It would also make having a capital very hard. Since u would have to rely on everybody else to help u move around. Personally it would be completely dumb. And CCP would also loose alot of players and money.
To the op. Slap yourself!
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Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:39:00 -
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"I have the perfect solution to everything, but have no clue how it should be implemented... on second thought, maybe it can't even be implemented... but I did have THE solution anyway". Right
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Alternate resist display || Mission reward revamp || better nanofix
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Judge Ment
Aeon Interstellar Conglomerate Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:40:00 -
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One thing for sure EVE would be empty ------------------------------------- We judge others by actions We judge ourselves by intentions. |
Tiberius Maddox
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:42:00 -
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It's hard to overstate just how much more meaningful and gritty EVE's gameplay would be if everyone had a single character. Everyone would then have to face the consequences of his/her actions, both good and bad. Bounty hunting would work. Scammers would actually have to think before acting. Fleet warfare might just evolve into something a little more meaningful than a godawful blob/lagfest from hell.
Sadly, I see no desire on CCP's part to make this happen, and it probably would be impossible anyway.
So... the EVE universe will continue on its present path.
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El'essar Viocragh
Minmatar Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:43:00 -
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The fact that you envision prices in nullsec to drop to the level of a production environment with zero risk to transportation (empire) is in itself testament to how broken your proposal is. -- [17:47] <Mephysto> its dead, jim |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Trist Ian Edited by: Trist Ian on 03/10/2008 02:37:42 It would also make having a capital very hard. Since u would have to rely on everybody else to help u move around. Personally it would be completely dumb. And CCP would also loose alot of players and money.
To the op. Slap yourself!
Capitals were a bad idea.
They should remove them from the game. And if they are kept in. you SHOULD require constant 24/7 support to fly them. They are after all supposed to be a corp investment, not a personal one. Right?
As predicted the only people who argue my blatantly obvious truths are those who don't want to lose their personal pocket carrier fleet.
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EglantinFinfleur
Ecpyrosis
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:44:00 -
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Originally by: Trist Ian It would also make having a capital very hard. Since u would have to rely on everybody else to help u move around. Personally it would be completely dumb. And CCP would also loose alot of players and money.
That would make this game truly multiplayer and a real social experiment instead of the no-consequences interactions we now have. Bad rep? sell your char, buy another. Ganker, can't get in highsec for shopping? use your alt. Want stuff from a faction that hates you? run missions with an alt. And of course, all the spying and double agent stuff is really catastrophic. Alts are the bane of this game, and the reason why there are no 'good guy', or at least responsible people. Anybody can just get away with scamming and senseless ganking. It can even be made easier through simultaneous use of another, if not more, accounts.
A single account single character EvE will be the greatest thing ever. I hereby void all your technical complaints about the implementation -let's just say it can be done-, just try and prove me wrong that it would be immensely beneficial for gameplay (not from a financial point of view).
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Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:45:00 -
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And how would you enforce this?
Alts do the dirty, EXTREMELY boring tasks in eve. Like scouting, cyno'ing, etc, etc.
Also your train of thought is insanely trollish. You are like a troll train of ******ed thoughts. Please pass by the EVE stop and make your way to WoW, your final destination. --
http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
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Treelox
Amarr Market Jihadist Revolutionary Party
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:46:00 -
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Funny how you had to use what appears to be an alt to make this post. I guess that prove the fallacy of you own point. --
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:46:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Trist Ian Edited by: Trist Ian on 03/10/2008 02:37:42 It would also make having a capital very hard. Since u would have to rely on everybody else to help u move around. Personally it would be completely dumb. And CCP would also loose alot of players and money.
To the op. Slap yourself!
Capitals were a bad idea.
They should remove them from the game. And if they are kept in. you SHOULD require constant 24/7 support to fly them. They are after all supposed to be a corp investment, not a personal one. Right?
As predicted the only people who argue my blatantly obvious truths are those who don't want to lose their personal pocket carrier fleet.
Originally by: El'essar Viocragh The fact that you envision prices in nullsec to drop to the level of a production environment with zero risk to transportation (empire) is in itself testament to how broken your proposal is.
Well that is true. The cost of moving things would be included. But i foresee it being so much more equal than it is now in a relative sense that i thought it best not to mention it, since i was trying to keep things quick and general in my OP.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:49:00 -
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Originally by: Treelox Funny how you had to use what appears to be an alt to make this post. I guess that prove the fallacy of you own point.
No sir ^____^
Ive been playing eve off and on since 05, but currently this is my one and only character. This is my original account also. I am MMORPG MASTAR VETARIN. I realize that in the end its all meaningless, so i have no trouble throwing away months or even years worth of work. I more than any can appreciate what being totally restricted to 1 character ever at a time means.
I have to warn people im just sitting in a station training now, and will be for several months. So if they decide to 'come after' me for anything i say on these forums they are in for a very boring time
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5pinDizzy
Amarr Umpteenth Podding
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:54:00 -
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Edited by: 5pinDizzy on 03/10/2008 02:55:18
Singular people should be made to use Singular characters on singular accounts?
No metagaming at all?
Let me get my head around this, 1 account/character per person? I find this concept most bizarre.
A place where people can't meta farm roids to save time?
No consequence throwaway alts that get huge restrictions put on everyone elses main that would no longer exist?
No risk free coward scam alts? No risk free coward corp thief alts? No risk free noob ship scouts?
NO WAI!! GO DIE!!!
Yes CCP would force people to pay them much less money for the good of the game???
What kind of ****ing airy fairy fantasy land are you living in?
I suppose next you're going to be asking for politicians that care about the common people, and then teenagers who run neighbourhood watch schemes in their community while balancing a job with long hours and safe sex with a long term partner.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.03 02:54:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Treelox Funny how you had to use what appears to be an alt to make this post. I guess that prove the fallacy of you own point.
No sir ^____^
Ive been playing eve off and on since 05, but currently this is my one and only character. This is my original account also. I am MMORPG MASTAR VETARIN. I realize that in the end its all meaningless, so i have no trouble throwing away months or even years worth of work. I more than any can appreciate what being totally restricted to 1 character ever at a time means.
I have to warn people im just sitting in a station training now, and will be for several months. So if they decide to 'come after' me for anything i say on these forums they are in for a very boring time
So to you all the time and effort spent training your older character on and off from 05 was meaningless and you don't mind throwing it all away for a new character to start fresh with? Please forgive me if I don't take your suggestion seriously then.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:03:00 -
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Edited by: Vabjekf on 03/10/2008 03:05:31
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Vabjekf
Originally by: Treelox Funny how you had to use what appears to be an alt to make this post. I guess that prove the fallacy of you own point.
No sir ^____^
Ive been playing eve off and on since 05, but currently this is my one and only character. This is my original account also. I am MMORPG MASTAR VETARIN. I realize that in the end its all meaningless, so i have no trouble throwing away months or even years worth of work. I more than any can appreciate what being totally restricted to 1 character ever at a time means.
I have to warn people im just sitting in a station training now, and will be for several months. So if they decide to 'come after' me for anything i say on these forums they are in for a very boring time
So to you all the time and effort spent training your older character on and off from 05 was meaningless and you don't mind throwing it all away for a new character to start fresh with? Please forgive me if I don't take your suggestion seriously then.
You know I like you. You are a pretty awesome. If i was zeba i would probably not want to not be zeba anymore too!
Lets not fight ^_____^
The truth of what i said is still undeniable however. It is true that nothing can be done about it. CCP will never do this. It would be difficult to enforce (But what some people may not realize is that there are/where games that did this, and it works like this: First you just make it a bannable offense if you are caught. Then you do things like limiting connections from the same mac address, ip address, only one account payed for per credit card, make each client not want to run with multiple instances, etc. These are all a hassle, a hassle will stop most people, and the people who do it anyway always risk getting caught and banned... of course GTC selling would have to go away for this, with out armies of alts to worry about most people wouldn't mind just paying their single account monthly subscription. But thats another bonus!)
The last i really heard of this sort of system however was back in the day, when dual boxing was acknowledged as being the same sort of thing as macroing or other forms of cheatery. Something someone does to get an unfair advantage. That stance quickly changed when companies started realizing they could double or greater their money by encouraging it. Hence these boring tasks that are just 'asking' for an alt to do it.
Eve would be better with out alts.
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Shinzann
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:05:00 -
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No.
I pay CCP for two accounts. They seem to like taking my money for my two accounts. Why would they want to stop me from giving them money for a second account?
Although I do like the idea of scammers using their main. === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:11:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzann No.
I pay CCP for two accounts. They seem to like taking my money for my two accounts. Why would they want to stop me from giving them money for a second account?
They wouldn't. That doesn't mean they shouldnt however.
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Although I do like the idea of scammers using their main.
Then how about this. 1 Account per person. 1 character slot per account. Paying extra gets you extra character slots. You can only log onto one at a time, but the other slots can train simultaniously with each other.
People can see what characters are on the same account as any of these characters.
Yes, i am clearly most understanding and compassionate. I can understand the desire to have multiple characters given eves unique character advancement modle. However dual boxing is the same as macroing. Observe.
One account with a macro. Is a person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything.
Two accounts dual boxing, is a single person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything to one of the accounts (because you are only playing one at a time, even if you are switching quickly between them)
Obviously the same thing. Both involve a character giving a person an advantage with out them having to be playing it.
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Qanael Radlari
Caldari Kinetic Vector
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:16:00 -
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About dual boxing being the same as macroing: That kind of falls flat, especially in highly interactive situations (i.e. PVP, and to a lesser extent, mission running). Dual-boxing in these situations takes quite a lot more effort than playing a single character.
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Nikla Uthaan
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:17:00 -
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They wouldn't. That doesn't mean they shouldnt however.
People shouldn't resort to violence to solve their problems. But people do. Welcome to life. Over here is the tutorial on breathing.
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Zeba
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:19:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf You know I like you. You are a pretty awesome. If i was zeba i would probably not want to not be zeba anymore too!
Lets not fight ^_____^
Awwww..
To be fair you are right in moast of your assesments. However you are 5 years too late with your proposition. Alts are far too entrenched now to ever be taken away from the masses of players that have them. But if they are taken away you will see an empty and lonely eve on the verge of getting shut down due to having at least half the active accounts if not much moar wiped away. Besides this thread is meaningless cause I know your not really serious anyways.
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Shinzann
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:20:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf
Then how about this. 1 Account per person. 1 character slot per account. Paying extra gets you extra character slots. You can only log onto one at a time, but the other slots can train simultaniously with each other.
Yes.
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People can see what characters are on the same account as any of these characters.
No. If I'm going to pay extra for another character slot, I might not want it to be readily known that it's on the same account as my main.
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Yes, i am clearly most understanding and compassionate. I can understand the desire to have multiple characters given eves unique character advancement modle. However dual boxing is the same as macroing. Observe.
One account with a macro. Is a person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything.
Two accounts dual boxing, is a single person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything to one of the accounts (because you are only playing one at a time, even if you are switching quickly between them)
Obviously the same thing. Both involve a character giving a person an advantage with out them having to be playing it.
If I'm paying for two accounts, how I access those two accounts (and when) is a private matter between my separate EVE client installs and my computer. If I want to play with my alt-tab keys, then I'll play with my alt-tab keys === Q u o t e: If the servers aren't up, its not a hotfix. |
Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nikla Uthaan
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They wouldn't. That doesn't mean they shouldnt however.
People shouldn't resort to violence to solve their problems. But people do. Welcome to life. Over here is the tutorial on breathing.
I made this post to spread the truths of the evils of alts. I fully realize no change will come from it. Im not trying to control what people do. Im trying to control how people think. ^___^
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:26:00 -
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One alt is, in my opinion, fine.
The problem is these people who have an industry/mining alt, a mission running alt, a logistics alt for the mission runner, a carrier alt, a dreadnought alt, an R&D agent alt.. You get the picture
Their own personal ability to fart out hundreds of millions of ISK with no effort completely skews the scale for a lot of other people. Thus, other people are required to make alts to catch up.
I think one alt is fine. It means you have to really be careful with what you choose to do with it. Say you have a combat main, and you want a carrier but your alt is working on some science path. With only one alt you have to make a choice to train carriers on one side (most likely the combat). With several alts you can just pay extra money and keep everyone on their current skillplan.
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Vabjekf
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:27:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzann
Originally by: Vabjekf
Then how about this. 1 Account per person. 1 character slot per account. Paying extra gets you extra character slots. You can only log onto one at a time, but the other slots can train simultaniously with each other.
Yes.
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People can see what characters are on the same account as any of these characters.
No. If I'm going to pay extra for another character slot, I might not want it to be readily known that it's on the same account as my main.
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Yes, i am clearly most understanding and compassionate. I can understand the desire to have multiple characters given eves unique character advancement modle. However dual boxing is the same as macroing. Observe.
One account with a macro. Is a person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything.
Two accounts dual boxing, is a single person getting benefit from an account with out having to do anything to one of the accounts (because you are only playing one at a time, even if you are switching quickly between them)
Obviously the same thing. Both involve a character giving a person an advantage with out them having to be playing it.
If I'm paying for two accounts, how I access those two accounts (and when) is a private matter between my separate EVE client installs and my computer. If I want to play with my alt-tab keys, then I'll play with my alt-tab keys
And if i want to pay an army of chinese farmers for trillions of isk so i can hire every mercenary to attack you, specifically, at all times. Then thats between me and my army of chinese farmers! I give them health care! Really i do!
metagamer. Thats what you are doing.
The game is contained within the client. If you play windowed and have the window aranged to be 5X5 pixles wide, then eve is 5X5 pixles wide.
You are approaching things as a PLAYER manipulating a PUPPET in game to accomplish your will. This is incorrect. You should be approaching it from within the confines of the game.
Your alts don't know they are your alts, they are all their own individual independent persons.
The very fact that some are more favored than others just makes me feel sorry for them.
Protect the rights of video game characters! Each one deserves its own player that is wholly focused on them.
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Mika Meroko
Minmatar Crayon Posting Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:36:00 -
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I never said this to anyone before.. but..
you op, you fail....
this can only hurt CCP's wallet, and thats not good XD
and hey... CCP just sent me another power of two offer... that would make... 4 accounts if I do it now!!!!
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yeah, totally opposite direction XD
and CCP will never go for it...
Originally by: CCP Atropos I pod people because there's money to be made in selling tears.
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Shinzann
Sten Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:36:00 -
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Originally by: Vabjekf
And if i want to pay an army of chinese farmers for trillions of isk so i can hire every mercenary to attack you, specifically, at all times. Then thats between me and my army of chinese farmers! I give them health care! Really i do!
metagamer. Thats what you are doing.
The game is contained within the client. If you play windowed and have the window aranged to be 5X5 pixles wide, then eve is 5X5 pixles wide.
Actually, I have both clients running fullscreen. Adds an element of "metagamer" fun to see if one or both of the clients will crash while transitioning between them. And if you want to hire a bunch of ISK farmers, that's your money to spend.
Quote: You are approaching things as a PLAYER manipulating a PUPPET in game to accomplish your will. This is incorrect. You should be approaching it from within the confines of the game.
Your alts don't know they are your alts, they are all their own individual independent persons.
Actually, I do try to play my main and alt as they are two separate characters that know each other. But I admit that most folks don't try.
Quote: The very fact that some are more favored than others just makes me feel sorry for them.
Protect the rights of video game characters! Each one deserves its own player that is wholly focused on them.
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Nikla Uthaan
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:40:00 -
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Their own personal ability to fart out hundreds of millions of ISK with no effort completely skews the scale for a lot of other people. Thus, other people are required to make alts to catch up.
You tried it? I wish it was no effort.
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I made this post to spread the truths of the evils of alts. I fully realize no change will come from it. Im not trying to control what people do. Im trying to control how people think. ^___^
So you think the game should be different, and everyone else should listen to you unconditionally. Right.
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Verx Interis
Amarr Aurora Security Cosmic Anomalies
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:45:00 -
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Originally by: Nikla Uthaan
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Their own personal ability to fart out hundreds of millions of ISK with no effort completely skews the scale for a lot of other people. Thus, other people are required to make alts to catch up.
You tried it? I wish it was no effort.
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Well not no effort (obviously). But they can have a character doing invention, research, blueprint copies, manufacturing, in-station trading, etc, all these kinds of background jobs, while they run level 4's in easymode with a logistics alt. Properly assigned alts can pump out a lot of ISK very fast.
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Riley Escobar
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Posted - 2008.10.03 03:50:00 -
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Lmfao who the **** is this guy, no capitals, no alts
You're right ccp does want to make less money, ...
Wait which way does life work?
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