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Garion Avarr
Amarr Zero Zero Traders YTMND.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 01:58:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn . . . I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
As an ex-SWG player myself, two of the things I miss most from that game now that I play Eve instead (which overall is much better than SWG) are being able to walk around (regardless of if there is combat involved), and the crafting/market system. It's good to see that the devs are working on one of those, and I'll keep hoping for the other, too. Sure, one of them is mostly just eye candy . . . but it's still very important to the game for some of us.
I'm sure anyone who's ever been camped in a station will be glad of Ambulation, as well. ________________________________ This is not a signature. |
Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:17:00 -
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Edited by: Slinkus Gallentus on 05/10/2008 02:20:44
Originally by: SPIONKOP Not sure the game needs this to be honest.
It a bit like the premium graphics, nice eye candy and I bet it looks good on trailers etc but does it add to the game. Nope, it hammers my performance and quite frankly imho it's add nothing to the game.
I fear the same will apply to the WIS feature. It will look good but after the initial try out, most people will stay locked in their ship to avoid another "session change in progess".
I am sure you folks are putting a lot of effort into it, but not sure Eve needs it.
Hear hear. I didn't join Eve to walk around in stations. It won't add anything to game play. Eve is a space game not a WoW clone.
There's more important issues that need to be ironed out first, like LAAAAAAAAG.
I say you should be concentrating your efforts on eliminating the lag rather than wasting time on gimmickry. cheers
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Slinkus Gallentus
Gallente Infinite Order
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:31:00 -
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Originally by: Gnulpie
Originally by: Jason Edwards
Originally by: Shadowsword Nice to have lots of dev blogs now.
Ya but they dont seem to say anything.
... StacklessIO: Meh jita lags something about dreams: Meh boring... so some employees of ccp have less hard of a job. Yippee. eve64; oh thats right not actual player related AT ALL. ...
I'd rather have 1-2 devblogs with something of value in it that actually says something.
You Sir, are more than a bit stupid, aren't you? If you cannot understand what is written in those blogs then you should better shut up.
About Ambulation? Well, certainly a nice project but it has trillions of pitfalls and difficulties. We will see how it will work out.
Most important question is, how many players are allowed to share the same room? Last time I heard something about it (last year fanfest) it was something like 16 or 32? Or maybe my memory fails me and I mix up things.
Another question: will EveTV be there and stream the presentations?
Oh my god. Eve is a GAME.Maybe you should get out once in a while rather than getting ever more pale sitting in your bedroom pretending you have a life.
It really irks me how people jump up and get offended if someone doesn't agree with everything CCP says. Ambulation is a complete an utter waste of time. Right now I can chat to people in the game. Do I really need to see them walking around in their toons rather than a static picture of their face? I think not.
This is just another gimmick by CCP that will add a big fat ZERO to gameplay without addressing the real issues with the game like the pathetic LAAAAAG.
Oh, and go and have a shower once in a while.
cheers
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:36:00 -
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Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
Well thank God you're only one person.
Personally, I know 5-6 people interested in playing EVE, right now, only 2 of us play, the others are holding out for a more immersive experience, which comes in the form of Ambulation. So I can say for me, this is only going to bring more of my good friends in to the game, and I can't see how that's a bad thing. I imagine that many people will find a similar situation with their friends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
He isnt one person though. There's plenty of people who see nothing in ambulation. It's a crap gimmick that's not needed in a SPACE GAME.
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Shady's Lady
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.05 02:39:00 -
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Yeah, that's what we need. More things to make the system lag and nothing being done about the lag. StacklessIO is a joke. The game still lags.
SORT OUT THE FRIGGING LAG BEFORE YOU ADD MORE STUFF.
You wanna be a carebear go play tiddlywinks.
cheers
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not after you.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.05 03:28:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ
Thats how I want to spend my recreation time, living in the same boring hum drum reality I live in now, where I can walk about (without the actual effort of walking) a sound stage from stars wars (or generic sci-fi movie), minus the action and adding a chat window where the art of communication is reduced to a creol of "comedy", abuse and the latest fashion in internet memes.
Well thank God you're only one person.
Personally, I know 5-6 people interested in playing EVE, right now, only 2 of us play, the others are holding out for a more immersive experience, which comes in the form of Ambulation. So I can say for me, this is only going to bring more of my good friends in to the game, and I can't see how that's a bad thing. I imagine that many people will find a similar situation with their friends, I wouldn't be surprised to see a 50k - 100k spike in the userbase after this is released, certainly a lot of Ex-SWG players who have held-out.
He isnt one person though. There's plenty of people who see nothing in ambulation. It's a crap gimmick that's not needed in a SPACE GAME.
He IS one person. Just like I am one person. We have differing opinions, and there's nothing wrong with that, but what people who don't like ambulation seem to keep missing, is that for every one of them who doesn't like it, there's someone like me who's been waiting 5 years for it. EVE is going to be awesome for those of us who want more than "internet spaceships". People who see nothing in ambulation need to give it a rest, because it's a non-issue for them, they're not going to have to use it, and CCP's not going to pull all their character artists off this and put them into the lag solving problem (engineers). That's like me, as a Graphic Designer, being asked by my boss to figure out why our server's running slow. I wouldn't know where to begin, and our IT guys would just get annoyed that I'm trying to help them with a problem that I know nothing about. I don't understand how this simple concept flies over so many people's heads. CCP's good at what they do, they don't need un-informed players telling them how to do their jobs, or micromanage their game. Let CCP build the game that they invision, and if you don't like it, cancel your account, but my bet is, this will only bring in new accounts, moreso that they'll possibly loose from those few people who are disgruntled and can't see the bigger picture.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 04:45:00 -
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For the last time. Lag is for the most part the players fault. We had multiple fixes of Lag, most of the expansions and practically all of the Hardware Upgrades were because of "Lag".
Imagine Lag is being fixed (again) so that 800 people could have a fleet fight with mininmal lag and no Node crashes? The Alliances like Bunch of Bastards would bring even more people. Then we would have 3000vs4000 Battles and even more whining about Lag.
Personally I am all for Ambulation and any content that does have nothing to do with this so called endgame. Let the useless Lemmings play the Endgame. Their whine tastes sweet and the fun is already elsewhere.
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Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 05:54:00 -
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Edited by: Sirius Problem on 05/10/2008 05:55:30 WOW is a w~anky game, but with around 10 million subscribers, it's a phenomenal business. I can see why CCP would want some of that.
Too bad though. IMO, WiS is a colossal waste of time and resources better spent elsewhere. I can hardly wait for the years of bugs that this is likely to introduce.
And I'm going to be pretty unhappy if WiS forces me to do stupid things like walk around my hanger to fit my ships or anything else that I can do now from the comfort of my pod.
---- Train more. Whine less.
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MotherMoon
Huang Yinglong
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:43:00 -
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Originally by: Shady's Lady Yeah, that's what we need. More things to make the system lag and nothing being done about the lag. StacklessIO is a joke. The game still lags.
SORT OUT THE FRIGGING LAG BEFORE YOU ADD MORE STUFF.
You wanna be a carebear go play tiddlywinks.
buy a better computer there was a 1000 person fight with a 10th of the lag of before the stackless IO.
you do know low fps isn't lag right?
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 06:54:00 -
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I still think that unless the *walking in stations* offers something remotely unique, Second Life is still going to pwn this whole WIS thing. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) |
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Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.10.05 07:30:00 -
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Originally by: Sirius Problem Too bad though. IMO, WiS is a colossal waste of time and resources better spent elsewhere. I can hardly wait for the years of bugs that this is likely to introduce.
Yes, they should instead spend those resources working on the engine of a fantasy'ish vampire/werewolf MMO engine!
*HAR* *HAR* *HAR*
Idiots. ^_^
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Grimpak
Gallente Trinity Nova Trinity Nova Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 07:55:00 -
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Originally by: Batolemaeus It's some carrot+stick kind of thing, isn't it?
Or wait..you're basically telling me: "We're gonna have lotsa fun, AND YOU WON'T BE THERE BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO TIME, LOSER! HA! "
this tbh.
can't wait to have my own "Merc's Haven" strip bar ---
Quote: The more I know about humans, the more I love animals.
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:29:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon For the last time. Lag is for the most part the players fault.
err, no. Maybe you should get a job as a CCP GM because they try and blame their cusmtomers for their lag as well.
Firstly, I dont have a low fps. Secondly, it makes no sense making the requirements to play the game higher as most people arent gamer geeks with no life.
If people who already play eve are told, well, were making updates but you need to buy a faster gfx card/cpu then they will lose customers.
CCP know they have lag issues. They need to deal with it.
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Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:39:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 05/10/2008 13:39:47
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Mass Extinction
Originally by: Davan Sarn
Originally by: Sopha Serpentia OH HAI GUYZ but what people who don't like ambulation seem to keep missing, is that for every one of them who doesn't like it, there's someone like me who's been waiting 5 years for it.
What people like you dont seem to realise is that this works both ways and for everyone who claims to have been waiting for five years for ambultaion (ie. one person, YOU and no one else) there are many people saying its a waste of time.
Not only that but in this thread more pople seem to be saying dont bother, and thus the evidence seems to make your claim a nonsense.
Secondly, who said anything about pulling graphics artists to sort out server issues? Oh that's right. NO ONE. This is called a strawman argument.
Maybe you should spend some time getting an education before you accuse people of making statements they never made.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.05 17:41:00 -
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Pyramid Quoting is bad, okay?
Besides, what should CCP do? Stop developing any content, because some whiners, say so? Lag is indeed for the most part caused by player behavior and while I appreciate any changes made to reduce lag, I also have to acknowledge that Lag cannot be fixed that easily, as some people claim here.
Besides there is a good reason why I want Ambulation and why I waited years for something like that.
The Game I want to see one day is a game where players cannot only blow up spaceships, but also can interact with each others on a station. Yes there will be not much at the beginning but CCP can easily expand from there.
How about some kind of first or third person shooter, integrated in the game. Conquering Outposts and Boarding Enemy Ships with an Assault Rifle in your hands?
Or from the start, new kinds of missions that require you to interact with NPC the stations, a complete rework of the entire PvE part where the backstory finally matters?
There are other opportunities to work with Ambulation in a possible future planetary interaction expansion.
I am looking forward to ambulation. Whiners be damned.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.05 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: Deviana Sevidon Pyramid Quoting is bad, okay?
Besides, what should CCP do? Stop developing any content, because some whiners, say so? Lag is indeed for the most part caused by player behavior and while I appreciate any changes made to reduce lag, I also have to acknowledge that Lag cannot be fixed that easily, as some people claim here.
Besides there is a good reason why I want Ambulation and why I waited years for something like that.
The Game I want to see one day is a game where players cannot only blow up spaceships, but also can interact with each others on a station. Yes there will be not much at the beginning but CCP can easily expand from there.
How about some kind of first or third person shooter, integrated in the game. Conquering Outposts and Boarding Enemy Ships with an Assault Rifle in your hands?
Or from the start, new kinds of missions that require you to interact with NPC the stations, a complete rework of the entire PvE part where the backstory finally matters?
There are other opportunities to work with Ambulation in a possible future planetary interaction expansion.
I am looking forward to ambulation. Whiners be damned.
QFT
The biggest issue with the whiners is that most of them can't see passed the lag that they somehow manage to find (I've never experienced serious lag, btw, but then again, I avoid Jita and fleet battles.) and comprehend that the game is a lot larger than them, or their silly fleet battles. I honestly believe that there is a substantial portion of the game's population who want to see this, but more importantly, the developers, the owners of the game, think this is worth adding. And I think everyone should at least respect that. If you don't... then leave, it's pretty simple, if you don't agree with the direction of the game, then don't play, so many people forget that they're not being forced to log on, you have a choice.
Torfi Frans Olafsson is my personal hero <3 Torfi
--- EVE Smugglers
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Serenity Steele
Dynamic Data Distribution Ministry of Information
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Posted - 2008.10.05 22:02:00 -
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Looking forward to this!
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Rogerano
Minmatar Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 00:04:00 -
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Quote: You leave your captains quarters, take a deep breath and pretend you weren't on the floor covered in goo a few moments ago. It's time to have some fun, be admired, and spend money on women, gambling and booze.
So us "captains" are clearly ultra important. So important and crucial to the ship that we'd subject ourselves to a semi-permanent goo-bath. The only crew member, in fact, so important to need this goo-pod. As important to the ship as a competent CEO is to the management of a contemporary corporation, and just as well paid, apparently.
And yet, there are so many terminally deranged fools flying about. --- Not happy with something in EVE? An emo whine will doubtless help your cause. |
Mass Extinction
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Posted - 2008.10.06 02:18:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:21:51 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public.
So, you dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination.
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL lag issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica.
Pyramid quoting? Now who's the whiner?
Tell someone who gives a sh1t.
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:05:00 -
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Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:54:12 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public. I don't do that, I just give credit where credit is due, lag or not, CCP's made an amazing game, and for that, they get my $15/month and my gratitude.
You dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people. And your inability to understand that there are other valid play-styles shows an extreme shortsightedness. People also seem to forget that a lot of the recent patches have specifically been targeted at reducing lag, Ambulation doesn't seem to have delayed those at all. I still don't see why people bother using lag as an anti-ambulation excuse. Seems like a convenient scapegoat to me.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination. There's a lot of people who play this game, I'm sure someone's said it at some point
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL and CURRENT issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag. (Lack of) full body avatars are a real and current issue for me, why is my $15 any less valid than yours? They're obviously spending time fixing lag and developing ambulation, and I'm happy for the people who have been plagued by lag, why do teh hardcorez players have to hate those of us who want ambulation? It's also been stated on more than one occasion that, if anything Ambulation will reduce lag.
What you believe about how many people want this is just that _a belief_. This thread contradicts you as for the most part people posting here don't want it. Like so many believers there is scant evidence to support said beliefs, because if there was some evidence they wouldn't be beliefs but facts. The first Ambulation thread was pretty supporter heavy, I doubt they've gone anywhere, they probably just haven't posted here for whatever reason. Just like I believe that many people are waiting for ambulation, the haters believe that they're right and that nobody wants it. It's a two way street, I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying I know a lot of people personally who will play the game after ambulation comes out, and that my friend IS a fact
Why are CCP introducing it? Who knows? They didn't say. Hmm, let me think, maybe it's a gimmick to get more paying customers to swell their profits for no extra gameplay and attract more people from the WoW w@nkfest and their multitude of clones. Maybe it's because a handful of people WHINED loud enough that it wasn't enough like their WoW w@nkfest. Until CCP explain why they are introducing it no one will know. They've stated on numerous occasions that there are multiple reasons for ambulation's development:
- Whitewolf MMO testbed
- Social Environment for Roleplayers
- Draw in new players
- Encourage women to play
Virtual drinking in stations? If this is attractive to you then you seriously need to think about getting a life. I'm actually more interested in designing clothes and role-playing with my friends, "virtual drinking" and minigames are a role-playing mechanic, nothing more. My friends (the 6 that I hang out with outside of the game) and I will thoroughly enjoy hanging out in station during our weekly game nights with our wives.
Pyramid quoting? Tell someone who gives a sh1t. This technically is against forum policy, just FYI.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica. Relax. That was pretty rude.
--- EVE Smugglers
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pillowkitten
Tea Bags
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:12:00 -
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this is horrible.... whoever the devlopers/people are behind this idea, are implementing it, or have anything at all to do with it,..... fire them... right away and put that money toward buying better servers.... wtf
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Hugh Ruka
Exploratio et Industria Morispatia
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:37:00 -
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ah another dev blog about a worthless feature ... good that I won't be at the fanfest ... now I know for sure I won't miss anything exciting ...
if you are creating this, please add one usefull feature for everybody: let us see what's around the station. does not need to be like actualy looking through station windows. a small window with tactical overlay like display with ships on the station grid displayed ? so we actualy get usefull info when camped in a staion or similar ? THANKS !!! --- SIG --- CSM: your support is needed ! |
Ishina Fel
Caldari Synergy. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.06 05:49:00 -
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It's funny to see how the introduction of a social feature in EVE brings out the absolute creme de la creme in ******s from the community. The amount of intentional ignorance here is staggering.
CCP, please make sure we get adequate live coverage from fanfest - I'm greatly lookingforward to seeing how far you've come wit this.
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Deviana Sevidon
Gallente Panta-Rhei United Front Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.06 08:10:00 -
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Originally by: Mass Extinction Edited by: Mass Extinction on 06/10/2008 02:54:12 Let's get one thing straight - people who dont't agree with you aren't whiners. This is the typical reply of the terminal game geek who spends their lives kissing CCPs ass in public.
You dont encounter lag therefore its not a problem shows an extreme short sightedness as to the fact that not everyone is a carebear and that it affects a large proportion of people.
Who said fixing it was easy? Seems you're quoting someone from your fetid imagination.
Who said stop developing? No one. What was said is that this adds nothing to game play, and that the time would be better spent fixing REAL and CURRENT issues, even if YOU don't personally experience them before introducing content that has the potential to cause more lag.
What you believe about how many people want this is just that _a belief_. This thread contradicts you as for the most part people posting here don't want it. Like so many believers there is scant evidence to support said beliefs, because if there was some evidence they wouldn't be beliefs but facts.
Why are CCP introducing it? Who knows? They didn't say. Hmm, let me think, maybe it's a gimmick to get more paying customers to swell their profits for no extra gameplay and attract more people from the WoW w@nkfest and their multitude of clones. Maybe it's because a handful of people WHINED loud enough that it wasn't enough like their WoW w@nkfest. Until CCP explain why they are introducing it no one will know.
Virtual drinking in stations? If this is attractive to you then you seriously need to think about getting a life.
Pyramid quoting? Tell someone who gives a sh1t.
If your head wasn't so far up your ass we might be able to hear the harmonica.
Terminal Geek right but that is still better then being a little troll, full of bitter hatred.
Oh and I am not a carebear. I just think that super large battles, were you either blobs or the other side blobs or the outcome becomes a coin-toss, a general waste of my time. I did the stuff a few month back, got fed up and decided to take a very long break from this stuff.
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Exus
Smoke and Fly Academy Roids'Are'Us
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Posted - 2008.10.06 08:38:00 -
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Thanks for this CCP. Even if there is not much news in this dev blog... I fully support this idea.
WiS adds more than just a WoW-like avatar system... It will add lots of immersion, more players, more customization, more socialization, more game play.
Wake up from your EvE addiction and look around on what is goin on out of eve...
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AK Archangel
Warhamsters Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.06 19:02:00 -
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At least .... 1 or more years later we may be have alot of FPS action .... like FPS assault of NPC bunkers , taking fight when aboarding ensmy ships ... and alot of new skills to learn, alot of new weap and equipment to use :) .... dreams dreams....
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Wedji
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Posted - 2008.10.07 04:01:00 -
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I hope we can have a look out of windows tied realtime to the Flying About in Space (FAiS(tm)) environment to see what's sitting on the undock points - adds a tactical, relevant and justifiable in-game function:
"Hmm, bubble camp eh? Well I'll just go back to my WiS quarters for a fifth spacew@nk for now then."
I'm on fire here. This is a brilliant idea. If windows can be implemented to bridge the two environments it opens up lots of related game content features;
"Just another two days skilling til I've got 'Offensive Gestures IV' then I can start on 'Station Window Mooning'!"
And one final thing - I hope the designers/devs for this walky-about thing have remembered to reflect booster taking in the avatars' expressions. Wide staring eyes, clenched teeth etc. And maybe the shakes when it's about to expire. And if the character has the Station Window Mooning skill, clenched buttocks of course.
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Exus
Smoke and Fly Academy Roids'Are'Us
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:01:00 -
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Technically, WiS and solar systems wont be linked for lag purpose. So having a look at the undock point from a window in the station wont be possible :)
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Wedji
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Posted - 2008.10.07 14:50:00 -
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You've made me think about this. The WiS client would only need a small amount of read data (and not even full read at that - only What's Where general info) because there could never be any client-to-server interaction to do with the exterior state of the FAiS(tm) world. And if you make windows not perma-active but only on request (open shutters button) even that data stream needn't be permanent.
Why am I talking about this? I only wanted to moon the bubble campers! :-p
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Davan Sarn
Gallente Chasm City Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.07 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: Wedji Why am I talking about this? I only wanted to moon the bubble campers! :-p
A noble endeavor
I feel like, if SWG can successfully implement portalized objects, and allow players to view space from the windows of ships, CCP can probably do something similar to EVE. But I don't know what kind of technical limitations they're working against.
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