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aggi345	Posted - 2008.10.04 21:03:00 - [1] For solo pvp: Myrmadon Hyperion Megathron deimos Would be nice if you could show an example of the fit to use for the ship you choose.
Welture	Posted - 2008.10.04 21:05:00 - [2] Edited by: Welture on 04/10/2008 21:05:32 I like the myrm just because it is cheap and can be fitted quite well. probably not the best of these but very fun for solo pvp. Not sure of a decent fit for it tho
Vecila Live and Learn Inc.	Posted - 2008.10.04 21:11:00 - [3] Hype, followed by myrm, but if you need to ask this, you don't have the skills/experience to use them solo.
Vanthropy	Posted - 2008.10.04 21:15:00 - [4] stop being a min/maxxer and fly what you like Hype: Huge tank/nice dps, big. or MASSIVE DPS/decent buffer tank (low sec pvp) Mega: Big dps, nasty buffer (RR gang anywhere) Myrm: equal dps/tank in a bc hull (low sec pvp) Deimos: huge dps for anything sub battleship.. paper thin, FAST (small gang work)
aggi345	Posted - 2008.10.04 23:19:00 - [5] I'm not being a min/maxer i just wanna know which is better for all around solo pvp. Like which ship has the best odds of killing random situations/ships (whatever comes at me). And if you can please post setup example. Vecila i'm not even gonna dignify that with a response
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.04 23:44:00 - [6] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 04/10/2008 23:44:47 Hyperion, by process of elimination. The Deimos is spared the title of "worst HAC" only be the fact that somehow CCP found a way to make the Muninn suck even more than the Deimos. Under no circumstances should you ever fly this ship. The Myrmidon is one of the worst battlecruisers, and loses in every way to Brutix (for Gallente), or the Drake/Harbinger (for BCs in general). The Megathron is impossible to fit compared to the Hyperion. Now, this should not be taken to suggest that the Hyperion is actually a good ship, but it's the least-bad of the four you listed. If you absolutely insist on flying a non-Dominix Gallente battleship for some bizarre reason, the Hyperion is the least likely to generate a comedy killmail.
Neyro7830 Gallente Stormfront A.W. Stormfront J.U.N.T.A.	Posted - 2008.10.04 23:50:00 - [7] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 04/10/2008 23:44:47 Hyperion, by process of elimination. The Deimos is spared the title of "worst HAC" only be the fact that somehow CCP found a way to make the Muninn suck even more than the Deimos. Under no circumstances should you ever fly this ship. The Myrmidon is one of the worst battlecruisers, and loses in every way to Brutix (for Gallente), or the Drake/Harbinger (for BCs in general). The Megathron is impossible to fit compared to the Hyperion. Now, this should not be taken to suggest that the Hyperion is actually a good ship, but it's the least-bad of the four you listed. If you absolutely insist on flying a non-Dominix Gallente battleship for some bizarre reason, the Hyperion is the least likely to generate a comedy killmail. What eve are you playing? <_< >_>
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.04 23:54:00 - [8] Originally by: Neyro7830 What eve are you playing? <_< The one where solo ganking in a battleship is questionable even on a good day, and where any target that isn't a newbie carebear has a MWD fitted and can stay out of range of a blaster ship while killing it with lasers/missiles. But feel free to actually post something about my specific ship comments, instead of your worthless "WTF" spam that adds nothing to the discussion.
William Caldon	Posted - 2008.10.05 00:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Neyro7830 What eve are you playing? <_< The one where solo ganking in a battleship is questionable even on a good day, and where any target that isn't a newbie carebear has a MWD fitted and can stay out of range of a blaster ship while killing it with lasers/missiles. But feel free to actually post something about my specific ship comments, instead of your worthless "WTF" spam that adds nothing to the discussion. You know, if your unhappy with Eve, QUIT. Quit posting such hateful stuff about ships. You've put so much negative stuff on these forums its a wonder your happy at all.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 00:42:00 - [10] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/10/2008 00:42:36 Originally by: William Caldon You know, if your unhappy with Eve, QUIT. Quit posting such hateful stuff about ships. You've put so much negative stuff on these forums its a wonder your happy at all. You misunderstand completely. I am very happy in EVE right now. My decision long ago to give up Gallente and train Caldari has paid off wonderfully. It's not my fault the rest of you can't handle the fact that your ships suck. Oh, and the word you're looking for is "you're", not "your".

Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2008.10.05 01:18:00 - [11] You know that t2 blasters can shoot Null right? In other news: MWD's can be overloaded, not a lot of people do that. I can fly 3 races HAC's and the Deimos is FAR from being the worst. In skilled hands it tears through targets like nothing else its size. "I got soul but I'm not a soldier"
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 01:22:00 - [12] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/10/2008 01:22:52 Originally by: Stuart Price You know that t2 blasters can shoot Null right? Yes, they can shoot Null, and still have pathetic range compared to Scorch or missiles of any kind. Quote: In other news: MWD's can be overloaded, not a lot of people do that. 1) The other guy can overload his MWD too. 2) You can't overload it for very long. It'll help if you start just barely out of range, but for anything else, you'll just burn out all of your mids and still die. Quote: I can fly 3 races HAC's and the Deimos is FAR from being the worst. In skilled hands it tears through targets like nothing else its size. Like nothing else, except the Brutix. The Brutix has more tank AND more dps with a much lower price tag, making the Deimos completely redundant. And that's not even considering its pathetic performance compared to Amarr and Caldari HACs/BCs.
Vanthropy	Posted - 2008.10.05 01:35:00 - [13] Merin, for F%@K sake man.. If everything was just as viable for the type of pvp you are doing then there would be no other type of pvp. The deimos is good.. for small gangs of t2 cruisers.. it's called roaming. what other ship can put 900 dps on a target as fast as the Deimos? I know you are talking about the Current metagame. the sort of pvp that actually means something. And all that comes down to is Tank vs. gank + range at which said gank can be applied. I get it. We all get it. I'm sure CCP will get it if you continue your campaign of difference hating.. but I'm still going to fly said shitty ship because for it's purpose you know just as well as everyone else.. it's not that friggen bad. why can't a t2 cruiser beat a larger ship in tank and gank? because a larger ship will always be tougher, will always be able to field more firepower... so why fly said shitty t2 ship at all? perhaps you have something other thank pure tank and gank capability in mind. hopefully the speed rebalance will make this niche of smaller ship classes more apparent to you
Felix Dzerzhinsky Caldari Wreckless Abandon G00DFELLAS	Posted - 2008.10.05 01:37:00 - [14] Edited by: Felix Dzerzhinsky on 05/10/2008 01:43:01 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Like nothing else, except the Brutix. The Brutix has more tank AND more dps with a much lower price tag, making the Deimos completely redundant. And that's not even considering its pathetic performance compared to Amarr and Caldari HACs/BCs. lol, since when did the Cerb and Eagle become top tiered HACs. In a perfect world, the Demios may seem poor, but the Demios is quicker (into warp, across systems), it hits damn hard (the lower sig. higher agility actually come into play), and is a downright sinfully pleasureable ship to fly in gangs. Sometimes its just fun to see how far you can push one. . .and if you have the right group (a logistics ship who likes you, a Rapier/Falcon, etc.) the Demios can forfill that hard DPS role well. Something the Brutix can never forfill because its a BC. The EFT is too strong in you, there is a simple lack of group dynamics in many of your posts, and it squarly puts you at a much younger age group in this game. I'm sorry, but your vision of eve is rigged, and only in the most mathmatical models does your view actually exist. Its when idiots, mistakes, beer and lack of sleep all enter that world that 'scarry ships' like the Demios begin to appear. ---- ECCM is a Counter-measure not a defense.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 02:03:00 - [15] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/10/2008 02:06:24 Originally by: Vanthropy Merin, for F%@K sake man.. If everything was just as viable for the type of pvp you are doing then there would be no other type of pvp. The deimos is good.. for small gangs of t2 cruisers.. it's called roaming. what other ship can put 900 dps on a target as fast as the Deimos? The Zealot. Unlike the Deimos, it can actually get a significant fraction of its theoretical EFT dps on target, while the Deimos loses most of it to poor tracking and lack of range. because a larger ship will always be tougher, will always be able to field more firepower... so why fly said shitty t2 ship at all? perhaps you have something other thank pure tank and gank capability in mind. Because some T2 ships actually have advantages. The Zealot, Eagle and Cerberus get very powerful range bonuses that give them a major advantage over their BC equivalents in a lot of situations. By some strange coincidence, those are the three best HACs. The Deimos, on the other hand, does not. It's a pure tank/gank ship, with a range 'bonus' that might as well not even exist. The Brutix just does its entire job better. Quote: hopefully the speed rebalance will make this niche of smaller ship classes more apparent to you It won't. Speed only matters if there's a range where you have an advantage. Since the Deimos has no range where it out-performs the Brutix, its speed advantage is meaningless. ========================================================= Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky lol, since when did the Cerb and Eagle become top tiered HACs. Since people figured out the benefits of range. The Cerb is a top-tier HAC because it's a 250km sphere of death to cruiser-size support (something the Drake can't do), while still doing good damage to the primary if needed. The Eagle is a top-tier HAC because, while its role is much more limited, it's the only ship that can do the job at all (well, besides the virtually-identical Vulture). Unlike sucky HACs, top-tier HACs actually have a purpose that isn't duplicated and done better by their cheaper BC counterparts. Quote: The EFT is too strong in you, there is a simple lack of group dynamics in many of your posts, and it squarly puts you at a much younger age group in this game. I'm sorry, but your vision of eve is rigged, and only in the most mathmatical models does your view actually exist. Its when idiots, mistakes, beer and lack of sleep all enter that world that 'scarry ships' like the Demios begin to appear. Yes, if your target screws up, the Deimos can be effective, but ANY ship can be effective if the target screws up. The difference between good ships and bad ships is the good ships are still good even if the other guy doesn't screw up. I don't know about you, but I'd rather not risk my ISK on the assumption that my opponent is too stupid to take advantage of my inferior choice of ship. And if anyone's abusing EFT, it's the Gallente fanboys who just see "OMG 9999999999999 DPS" and neglect tracking/range/etc. Once you look at how much damage each ship actually applies over the course of a fight, the problems with the Deimos and blaster ships in general become painfully obvious. And as for the "fun" issue, fine, the Deimos is fun to fly. But ANY ship can be fun to fly. By that standard of usefulness, we should just ignore balance, because after all, even really terrible ships like assault frigates can be fun to some people. If you're going to pick "fun" over "effective", it's your $15/month, but don't pretend that the numbers actually favor your case.
Karad Forsky Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2008.10.05 02:28:00 - [16] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The Myrmidon is one of the worst battlecruisers, and loses in every way to Brutix (for Gallente), or the Drake/Harbinger (for BCs in general). Brutix, fitted with a dual-rep tank (to use the bonus) and the biggest blasters you can squeeze on does less DPS and tanks significantly less than the Myrmidon. This while having more capacitor problems and a far lower operating range. The alternative is fitting the Brutix for near-suicidal gank, which is not too attractive given the Brutix's low range. I will agree that neither the Brutix nor the Myrm have much chance against a Drake, but Harbingers and Canes are quite doable. Both Gallente BC's, of course, suffer from range issues but the Myrmidon is much more flexible in that regard - for example, one could fit FMP's for harbinger ranges and not that much less DPS, or autocannons. The drone bonus certainly helps it as well. The Myrm's extra midslot allows for more flexibility as well, such as a tracking disruptor, or an extra web, or a second injector. Claiming that this ship is inferior to the Brutix in every way is a bit far-fetched.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.05 03:43:00 - [17] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 04/10/2008 23:44:47 Hyperion, by process of elimination. The Deimos is spared the title of "worst HAC" only be the fact that somehow CCP found a way to make the Muninn suck even more than the Deimos. Under no circumstances should you ever fly this ship. The Myrmidon is one of the worst battlecruisers, and loses in every way to Brutix (for Gallente), or the Drake/Harbinger (for BCs in general). The Megathron is impossible to fit compared to the Hyperion. Now, this should not be taken to suggest that the Hyperion is actually a good ship, but it's the least-bad of the four you listed. If you absolutely insist on flying a non-Dominix Gallente battleship for some bizarre reason, the Hyperion is the least likely to generate a comedy killmail. Wow, what are you smoking ? --- I smack just for myself.
Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.05 03:47:00 - [18] Edited by: Muad'' Dib on 05/10/2008 03:49:14 Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/10/2008 01:22:52 Originally by: Stuart Price You know that t2 blasters can shoot Null right? Yes, they can shoot Null, and still have pathetic range compared to Scorch or missiles of any kind. Quote: In other news: MWD's can be overloaded, not a lot of people do that. 1) The other guy can overload his MWD too. 2) You can't overload it for very long. It'll help if you start just barely out of range, but for anything else, you'll just burn out all of your mids and still die. Quote: I can fly 3 races HAC's and the Deimos is FAR from being the worst. In skilled hands it tears through targets like nothing else its size. Like nothing else, except the Brutix. The Brutix has more tank AND more dps with a much lower price tag, making the Deimos completely redundant. And that's not even considering its pathetic performance compared to Amarr and Caldari HACs/BCs. So the geddon/raven can shoot at 45km, big deal. They do this by using long range, ammo, which needs to switched anyway to close-range ammo when said gayllente ship gets within webb range of them. Not to mention that none of these uses a MWD. They can fit a MWD, but they sacrifice too much for fitting one. Usually the chaser has the advantage in overloading MWD, because if you do it right, the chased has little time to compensate. Brutix is nice for sure, but it is heavier, slower than the Deimos. It is of no surprise that Battlecruisers fitted well **** their race's hacs in every opportunity, but that doesn't mean that the HACS suck. They have their uses, and for their advantages there is a pricetag. And as for speed being mindless, heh ... no comments, takes too long to explain to you how wrong you are. --- I smack just for myself.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.05 03:56:00 - [19] Originally by: William Caldon Originally by: Merin Ryskin Originally by: Neyro7830 What eve are you playing? <_< The one where solo ganking in a battleship is questionable even on a good day, and where any target that isn't a newbie carebear has a MWD fitted and can stay out of range of a blaster ship while killing it with lasers/missiles. But feel free to actually post something about my specific ship comments, instead of your worthless "WTF" spam that adds nothing to the discussion. You know, if your unhappy with Eve, QUIT. Quit posting such hateful stuff about ships. You've put so much negative stuff on these forums its a wonder your happy at all. lol, this is kinda true, just look at my last thread Though id tend to agree with Merin here, deimos isnt as good compared to other hacs out there (its only a tiny bit superior to the brutix, while other hacs such as the eagle/zealot have no real bc match) Awesome EVE history
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 03:57:00 - [20] Originally by: Muad' Dib So the geddon/raven can shoot at 45km, big deal. They do this by using long range, ammo, which needs to switched anyway to close-range ammo when said gayllente ship gets within webb range of them. Not to mention that none of these uses a MWD. They can fit a MWD, but they sacrifice too much for fitting one. Learn to fit your ships properly. Both the Raven and Armageddon, like all PvP ships, fit a MWD. And it's far worse than 45km, for the Armageddon. With a decent tank setup, you can hit 60km, and with a glass cannon pulse gank setup, over *100km.* Quote: Usually the chaser has the advantage in overloading MWD, because if you do it right, the chased has little time to compensate. Unless you start a decent distance away. Unless you're almost in range, the closing speed is just too low, especially with battleships. Quote: Brutix is nice for sure, but it is heavier, slower than the Deimos. It is of no surprise that Battlecruisers fitted well ** their race's hacs in every opportunity, but that doesn't mean that the HACS suck. They have their uses, and for their advantages there is a pricetag. Consider this difference: The Cerberus is a long-range ship, with 250km missiles. The Drake is a mid-range ship, with 80km missiles. The Cerberus has an uncontested advantage over 80km, making it excellent for removing those pesky Falcons/etc. The Brutix is a point-blank range ship. The Deimos is a point-blank range ship. Since both ships fight in the exact same position, the one with the better gank/tank is the winner, and that is the Brutix. Get it now? Some HACs are good, some are not. The main factor is whether they can do something their BC counterparts can't. Quote:** And as for speed being mindless, heh ... no comments, takes too long to explain to you how wrong you are. Err, where did you see "speed is mindless" in my posts? Obviously you have no comments, because you're addressing an argument I didn't make.

Muad' Dib Gallente Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2008.10.05 04:13:00 - [21] Originally by: Merin Ryskin evidence of stupidity ... Flew geddons before they were the new FOTM, flew them when everyone hated amarr, and amarr was worse than how Tempest is now. Geddon can fit a MWD, and so can the Raven - i think i said that, but fitting one means that you give up too much, and the OP was talking about solo pvp. MP II with scorch hits at 45km, DHP II with scorch hits at 42km, falloff is 10km with trajectory analysis 5. Tank does not impact the range you hit, as you might think, and the top range for MP II is 121km optimal with Apoc, BS5, and 3 tracking mods fitted, and Scorch L. Most close range BS fighting takes place at station, gate, jumpgate, either way, a warpable object, and at worst you will start off at 45-50km. For battleships, this means 4 cycles of MWD followed by letting yourself carried by inertia but doesn't matter because i was refering to sub-bs class. In which case combat is within WD range. Cerberus at 250km is bloody useless unless you fight in very laggy fleet environments. Travel time is so bloody huge that your better off in anything else. Not to mention that you need 3 targeting mods to reach 250km. So what if in a 1;1, Deimos is maginally worse than the Brutix. No 2 pilots are the same and nobody fits as well, Deimos has higher kin/therm, and that's the damage the Brutix does; Deimos has better agility, speed, and even range. Originally by: Merin Ryskin Quote: hopefully the speed rebalance will make this niche of smaller ship classes more apparent to you It won't. Speed only matters if there's a range where you have an advantage. Since the Deimos has no range where it out-performs the Brutix, its speed advantage is meaningless. You need to get your nose out of EFT numbers and maybe fly some ships, maybe you will understand why there are some thing the Deimos can do, and the Brutix simply cannot do. --- I smack just for myself.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 04:29:00 - [22] Originally by: Muad' Dib Flew geddons before they were the new FOTM, flew them when everyone hated amarr, and amarr was worse than how Tempest is now. Geddon can fit a MWD, and so can the Raven - i think i said that, but fitting one means that you give up too much, and the OP was talking about solo pvp. No MWD = comedy killmail. The fact that your argument for the Megathron depends on the target NOT fitting a MWD is the exact reason you DO fit one. Quote: MP II with scorch hits at 45km, DHP II with scorch hits at 42km, falloff is 10km with trajectory analysis 5. Tank does not impact the range you hit, as you might think, and the top range for MP II is 121km optimal with Apoc, BS5, and 3 tracking mods fitted, and Scorch L. Rigs. Learn to love them. Quote: Most close range BS fighting takes place at station, gate, jumpgate, either way, a warpable object, and at worst you will start off at 45-50km. For battleships, this means 4 cycles of MWD followed by letting yourself carried by inertia but doesn't matter because i was refering to sub-bs class. In which case combat is within WD range. Unless your target, not being an idiot, MWDs in the opposite direction, forcing you to chase. And guess what that means: zero transversal, and very low closing speed. That is, if your plated Megathron can even get into range at all. Quote: Cerberus at 250km is bloody useless unless you fight in very laggy fleet environments. Travel time is so bloody huge that your better off in anything else. Not to mention that you need 3 targeting mods to reach 250km. Two SB IIs. Learn to fit your ship properly and train some skills. And a 250km Cerberus is hardly useless. Even if you just force the target to warp, a Falcon/Scorpion that warps out is no longer jamming your fleet. And the Cerberus is one of two ships (the other is the Eagle) that can do that while still being decently mobile for a roaming gang. Quote: So what if in a 1;1, Deimos is maginally worse than the Brutix. No 2 pilots are the same and nobody fits as well, Deimos has higher kin/therm, and that's the damage the Brutix does; Deimos has better agility, speed, and even range. Who cares about a 1v1 vs. the Brutix. The point is the Brutix is the better choice of ship in general. 99% of the time, given a choice of flying a Brutix or a Deimos, I'm taking the Brutix. Quote: You need to get your nose out of EFT numbers and maybe fly some ships, maybe you will understand why there are some thing the Deimos can do, and the Brutix simply cannot do. Been there, done that, recognized that blasters suck. I didn't always fly Caldari, you know...
Vanthropy	Posted - 2008.10.05 04:54:00 - [23] Deimos is the only choice when you want a fast roaming gang ship that'll put out bs dps
Lance Mercer	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:07:00 - [24] Originally by: Merin Ryskin Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 05/10/2008 02:06:24 Originally by: Vanthropy Merin, for F%@K sake man.. If everything was just as viable for the type of pvp you are doing then there would be no other type of pvp. The deimos is good.. for small gangs of t2 cruisers.. it's called roaming. what other ship can put 900 dps on a target as fast as the Deimos? The Zealot. Unlike the Deimos, it can actually get a significant fraction of its theoretical EFT dps on target, while the Deimos loses most of it to poor tracking and lack of range. because a larger ship will always be tougher, will always be able to field more firepower... so why fly said shitty t2 ship at all? perhaps you have something other thank pure tank and gank capability in mind. Because some T2 ships actually have advantages. The Zealot, Eagle and Cerberus get very powerful range bonuses that give them a major advantage over their BC equivalents in a lot of situations. By some strange coincidence, those are the three best HACs. Originally by: Felix Dzerzhinsky lol, since when did the Cerb and Eagle become top tiered HACs. Since people figured out the benefits of range. The Cerb is a top-tier HAC because it's a 250km sphere of death to cruiser-size support (something the Drake can't do), while still doing good damage to the primary if needed. The Eagle is a top-tier HAC because, while its role is much more limited, it's the only ship that can do the job at all (well, besides the virtually-identical Vulture). Unlike sucky HACs, top-tier HACs actually have a purpose that isn't duplicated and done better by their cheaper BC counterparts. Ya know.... Merin ive always read your posts and been very indifferent to them but this time you absolutelly have no clue as to what your talking about. To say that the EAGLE is one of the best HACs is absolutely retarrded! You know I see more Ishtar's than almost any other HAC, and theres always the Vagabond, you know the one that sits at 23km and pelts on your armor. Yes I agree the munnin is by far the worst HAC only cuz it has one role "to snipe nub ships at gates". But cerb is by far not one of the best, ide take a sac over a cerb and can fly both. You seem to have this very strange vision of what PVP is like in EVE. Makes me wonder if your ever involved in any at all. You seem to think that all PVP takes place at 100km from each other... IT DOSN'T! Ide be willing to bet that if CCP really wanted to let us in on the truth, most PVP in EVE happens well within 25km. The Eagle is great as a sniper no doubt, its outdone tho by the Zealot, and thats only becuase with trinity amarr weapons got mega buffed, prolly becuase they have sucked for like 2-3 years... now its minnis turn to suck. Caldari have sucked forever and remain to suck as solo PVP boats. Ok now for your crap explination of the brutix and diemost. Brutix has forever been an absolute pain in the ass to fit and how do most fit it... pure gank! Diemost has always been a pain as well, how do most fit it, gank, ECM drones! Have you ever experienced a rack of MED ecm drones Merin... for anything BC and smaller there commenelly referred to as the OHSHIT IM JAMMED button! Your value of ISK is way to high aswell... if your living in 0.0 and not making 500mill to 1bill a week then your doing something wrong. If your living in highsec and not carebearing 500mill to a bill a week then your doing something wrong! If your a lowsec dweller like myself then your average income is prolly around..... hmm enough to afford a diemost. And can you explain to me please when it is my cerberus is supposed to beat my Ishtar, when the cerb if fit with a speed tank in order to keep up has a paper thin tank, is being eatin alive by the OGRES on its ass, cuz even with a speed tank the cerb is still a slow pig. Now remember that the Ishtar has a whole bay full of ammo and a nice buffer tank to boot, Oh and more agility. ISHTAR#1
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:22:00 - [25] Originally by: Lance Mercer Ya know.... Merin ive always read your posts and been very indifferent to them but this time you absolutelly have no clue as to what your talking about. To say that the EAGLE is one of the best HACs is absolutely retarrded! The Eagle is one of the best HACs because it is one of the HACs that can do something its BC equivalent can not. The second range bonus gives it a massive advantage over the Ferox in its intended role. If you want a 250km frigate killer, the obvious choice is the Eagle. Quote: You know I see more Ishtar's than almost any other HAC, and theres always the Vagabond, you know the one that sits at 23km and pelts on your armor. You see Ishtars because they have absolutely broken snake/poly setups. Once those get the long-overdue nerf, the ship will be forgotten. Vagabonds are essentially in the same position, while they will survive better than the Ishtar post-nerf, they still owe most of their current popularity to nano abuse. Quote: But cerb is by far not one of the best, ide take a sac over a cerb and can fly both. Please continue to do so. I lose a lot fewer Falcons when nobody can shoot back at them. Quote: You seem to have this very strange vision of what PVP is like in EVE. Makes me wonder if your ever involved in any at all. You seem to think that all PVP takes place at 100km from each other... IT DOSN'T! Ide be willing to bet that if CCP really wanted to let us in on the truth, most PVP in EVE happens well within 25km. The Eagle is great as a sniper no doubt, its outdone tho by the Zealot, and thats only becuase with trinity amarr weapons got mega buffed, prolly becuase they have sucked for like 2-3 years... now its minnis turn to suck. Caldari have sucked forever and remain to suck as solo PVP boats. Not all PvP happens at 100km or more, but if you don't have the ability to hit that far, you leave yourself extremely vulnerable to being destroyed by people who can. Just notice the flood of Falcon whine threads, 90% of them would go away if people didn't assume PvP only happens within 25km. This is of course why the Cerberus is so good, it can hit up to 250km, but without the normal close-range blind spot. Quote: Ok now for your crap explination of the brutix and diemost. Brutix has forever been an absolute pain in the ass to fit and how do most fit it... pure gank! Diemost has always been a pain as well, how do most fit it, gank, ECM drones! Have you ever experienced a rack of MED ecm drones Merin... for anything BC and smaller there commenelly referred to as the OHSHIT IM JAMMED button! Deimos drone bay: 50m3 Brutix drone bay: 50m3 Both ships have equal ability to fit ECM drones (and yes, I know just how effective they are). And if you fit both ships with ECM drones, the Brutix will STILL do more damage. Quote: Your value of ISK is way to high aswell... if your living in 0.0 and not making 500mill to 1bill a week then your doing something wrong. If your living in highsec and not carebearing 500mill to a bill a week then your doing something wrong! If your a lowsec dweller like myself then your average income is prolly around..... hmm enough to afford a diemost. Not all of us have 16 hours a day to farm ISK, some of us have lives. And even if you have tons of ISK, that doesn't mean you should throw it away buying expensive ships just for the sake of buying the most expensive ship. Quote: And can you explain to me please when it is my cerberus is supposed to beat my Ishtar, when the cerb if fit with a speed tank in order to keep up has a paper thin tank, is being eatin alive by the OGRES on its ass, cuz even with a speed tank the cerb is still a slow pig. Now remember that the Ishtar has a whole bay full of ammo and a nice buffer tank to boot, Oh and more agility. Simple: my friend in an interceptor tackles you, while I blow you up from 250km away. Goodbye Ishtar.
BiggestT Caldari Space Oddysey Pupule 'Ohana	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:23:00 - [26] Originally by: Lance Mercer Ya know.... Merin ive always read your posts and been very indifferent to them but this time you absolutelly have no clue as to what your talking about. To say that the EAGLE is one of the best HACs is absolutely retarrded! You know I see more Ishtar's than almost any other HAC, and theres always the Vagabond, you know the one that sits at 23km and pelts on your armor. Yes I agree the munnin is by far the worst HAC only cuz it has one role "to snipe nub ships at gates". But cerb is by far not one of the best, ide take a sac over a cerb and can fly both. You seem to have this very strange vision of what PVP is like in EVE. Makes me wonder if your ever involved in any at all. You seem to think that all PVP takes place at 100km from each other... IT DOSN'T! Ide be willing to bet that if CCP really wanted to let us in on the truth, most PVP in EVE happens well within 25km. The Eagle is great as a sniper no doubt, its outdone tho by the Zealot, and thats only becuase with trinity amarr weapons got mega buffed, prolly becuase they have sucked for like 2-3 years... now its minnis turn to suck. Caldari have sucked forever and remain to suck as solo PVP boats. Ok now for your crap explination of the brutix and diemost. Brutix has forever been an absolute pain in the ass to fit and how do most fit it... pure gank! Diemost has always been a pain as well, how do most fit it, gank, ECM drones! Have you ever experienced a rack of MED ecm drones Merin... for anything BC and smaller there commenelly referred to as the OHSHIT IM JAMMED button! Your value of ISK is way to high aswell... if your living in 0.0 and not making 500mill to 1bill a week then your doing something wrong. If your living in highsec and not carebearing 500mill to a bill a week then your doing something wrong! If your a lowsec dweller like myself then your average income is prolly around..... hmm enough to afford a diemost. And can you explain to me please when it is my cerberus is supposed to beat my Ishtar, when the cerb if fit with a speed tank in order to keep up has a paper thin tank, is being eatin alive by the OGRES on its ass, cuz even with a speed tank the cerb is still a slow pig. Now remember that the Ishtar has a whole bay full of ammo and a nice buffer tank to boot, Oh and more agility. I hardly see any ishtars around. The most common are zealots and cerbs in the gbc anyway, and suprisingly, munins come about 3rd! Vagas+sacs next with roughly = distribution of the rest. Most gallente are flying brutix's or mega's... Note that isk is a huge factor for many ppl, most players cant be arsed carebearing for isk, i havent ratted in about 6 months, i live off loot alone! lol The cerb is great due to its massive flexibility, it can hit at close range for good dps and long range for good dps, ppl over-estimate the sac, but in reality its dps is not much better. Its only advantage is being able to fit a tank (and when u fit tank ur dps is actually lower than a cerb), mwd and decent dps. Youll be suprised how many times you engage at range in fleet battles, many times ive had to engage at over 100km, as hostiles burn out of bubbles, try to keep range etc. Factors like large t2 anchored bubbles amplify the need for long range. As much as I agree that Merin has the personality skills of a walrus, hes right. Your living in the past mate :) Awesome EVE history
Lance Mercer	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:24:00 - [27] Now to reply to the OP! Myrm is great if you plan on sticking with Medium class ships and weapons systems... a quick loadout might be like this: 6x 180mm AC's with barrage MWD, Med cap injector, 24km point, web, tracking disruptor or ECCM 2x MARs,1600rt plate, 2x eanmII's, DCU Drones, I go with 2x OgreII,2x HammerII's,1 HobgobII Hype is great if you need to be able to tank forever, not a ton of gank tho. Have no loadout of personal use. Mega is by far IMO the most widelly used gank solo PVP ship in the game... quickelly being caught by the geddon, only becuase of the major buff to amarr weapons this year: 7x large IONS, 1x Nuet MWD,point,2x webs 3x mag stabs, 2x 1600plate, eanm, dcu Now as for the Diemost! I dont really like the ship, becuase its so much of a pain in the ass to fit, and its really a suicide ship most of the time. Im actually going to reccomend that if your going to follow the HAC lineup then go for the Ishtar, I know it requires the Drones skills too but when your finally there to the point when you would feel comfortable flying a hac anyway then the ishtar is king IMO! For other gallante ships, fly the thorax alot and if you like it and fit it right, youll love the deimos, its a ship begging for more experience to fly, and always equip it with ECM drones... you wont be sorry. The brutix is great, if you want to always have to put an ACR rig on it just to fit guns. As a noob if you are one, looking for solo PVP, jump into an Incurses, and go learn that way when you lose 5 to 50 of them you wont beat yourself up. The vexor is great for learning the way of drone boat combat. The Domi will reign supreme as the drone king for now tho, only cuz Nos and Nuet combos are still so effective.
Pr1ncess Alia Caldari Perkone	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:34:00 - [28] Originally by: BiggestT Originally by: Pr1ncess Alia Originally by: Lance Mercer Your value of ISK is way to high aswell... if your living in 0.0 and not making 500mill to 1bill a week then your doing something wrong. If your living in highsec and not carebearing 500mill to a bill a week then your doing something wrong! If your a lowsec dweller like myself then your average income is prolly around..... hmm enough to afford a diemost. yeah, ok FAIL = this thread and everyone in it (with exception perhaps to Muad' Dib) That means you too, fall into said category! OMG now i have to go shower in scalding hot water /must wash off the fail
Lance Mercer	Posted - 2008.10.05 05:57:00 - [29] Wow you think that it takes 16 hours a day to farm any kind of real isk in this game??? You're more ******ed than I thought! I play for like maybe a few hours a week and have an average income now of over 500mill a week. Hmm can anyone say datacores, and market arbitration! Silly bears Isk is for the smart ones! Now I can see why your seeing nothing but long range hacs, your a 0.0 warrior in your spare time when your not EFT warrioring it! Well I would love for you to come to lowsec, anypart of and find out how much of your theory works, with no bubbles. Can I tell you that your idea of the ishtar being forgetten after the speed nerf, is well silly, becuase after the speed nerf combat at 100km+ will nearly cease to exist, since HICS and dictors will no longer be able to zip across the field to tackle. CCP's goal as has been stated is to bring the game to the small skirmish point again, like it was back before the HP buff.. do you remember that merin? Small gang roaming ops in 0.0 still involve large quantities of Ishtars, dont play! Oh and the reason there are so many Nerf falcon threads is becuase someone finally figured out just how powerfull the falcon has been since the ECM nerf with RMR, he just did the stupid thing and opened his mouth.. Does this mean that soon I'll start to see nerf gaurdian thread becuase someone will finally figure out how powerfull logistics is to a gang! The Falcon is and has always been a great ship it just took all the gankanoobers a long time to figure it out. I understand the brutix and deimos have the same dronebay, but did you notice that I also stated the "normal" fittings... Brutix=GANK Deimos=Gank,ECM drones. Most of your brutix pilots have the idea of if I can kill it first then I WIN! Most Hac pilots have the idea, well if there smart, of let me kill it in time before his help arrives, then GTFO! the HAC pilot actually involves logic in his action, the brutix pilot invloves too much testosterone in his diet! Your a falcon pilot.... what he hell are you doing then talking about ships you never even fly. We all know that falcon pilots are permantelly stuck to there puss-mobiles! Oh and just to clerify I didnt say you and you're interceptor buddy and carb kill the ishtar I said cerb vs. ishtar! No interceptor buddy, cuz if that the way you want it then my arazu friend sneaks up on your cerb and damps it till it cant even targat that ugly nose on its face. Oh and also damps that inty till it is useless, cuz with all properlly fit recons if it cant remove more than one foe from its field using its proper ewar then it might aswell go home! And if I dont get the arazu then I guess the web on the ishtar will make short work of that inty, or maybe its the nuets in its highs.. I dont know but either way the inty tackle idea of an Ishtar is silly, you remember what the ishtar is right? A drone boat, that means is packs warriors aswell!!! Either way Merin I think in all honesty it would be in your best interst to not make yourself look like a total ass about what you obviouselly have no clue talking about!
General Sadistis	Posted - 2008.10.05 06:05:00 - [30] Originally by: Merin Ryskin The Myrmidon is one of the worst battlecruisers, and loses in every way to Brutix (for Gallente), or the Drake/Harbinger (for BCs in general). ARE YOU ******ED... they myrmidon is arguabally the best battlecruiser in the game its passive shieldtank is just as good as the drake but thats the grey areay which is better drake or myrm point is its one of the top 2 battlecruisers in the game and you are a moron for saying this

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