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Zanxos2
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Posted - 2008.10.05 08:51:00 -
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Unlike all other modules could someone explain what is the meaning of T2 armor plates (compared to rolled tungsten)? heavier - hungrier - higher skill reqs - exact same gain !!!!
I think it has to be reconsidered...
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Zanxos2
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Posted - 2008.10.05 08:51:00 -
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Unlike all other modules could someone explain what is the meaning of T2 armor plates (compared to rolled tungsten)? heavier - hungrier - higher skill reqs - exact same gain !!!!
I think it has to be reconsidered...
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James Lyrus
Lyrus Associates The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2008.10.05 10:10:00 -
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Originally by: Zanxos2 Unlike all other modules could someone explain what is the meaning of T2 armor plates (compared to rolled tungsten)? heavier - hungrier - higher skill reqs - exact same gain !!!!
I think it has to be reconsidered...
There are several T2 modules that are 'plain worse' than their T1 ML4 counterpart.
I think the whole system needs a rethink - I think that having gradual increments of meta levels is a waste - I mean really, who uses at 1600 mm Titanium plates?
I'd like to see a rejig, such that T1 is the 'basic', T2 is the all round 'best' (barring faction and higher).
But the metalevel stuff beat the T2 module in one specific way - so a T2 ML1 gun might have a longer optimal, ML2 might have T1 stats but better fittings, ML3 might have a better damage multiplier.
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Terror Fox
X29 Ice Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.05 12:31:00 -
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Dude, 50% of the EVE Module's need to be rebalanced. And in total 30% of the Game need a better balance. Thats a matter of fact.
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Chi Quan
Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.05 13:29:00 -
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lack of availability limiting is indeed no viable advantage over the increased fittings and extra disadvantages, especially concerning the armor plates. ---- You don't have to like it - I don't blame you for not liking it. |
Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.05 16:49:00 -
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Originally by: James Lyrus I think the whole system needs a rethink - I think that having gradual increments of meta levels is a waste - I mean really, who uses at 1600 mm Titanium plates?
People that don't know better. People that can't afford better. People that can't find what they want on short notice.
Also note how some T1 (named) modules with the same stats, are often more expensive than T2 because you don't have to skill as far to use them.
There are problems in the meta level system, but suggesting that all modules should follow a simple, linear path of "uberness" (t1, t2, faction, officer, etc) would make things rather bland and remove one of the thinking elements from the game.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 14:19:00 -
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Originally by: Sirius Problem suggesting that all modules should follow a simple, linear path of "uberness" (t1, t2, faction, officer, etc) would make things rather bland and remove one of the thinking elements from the game.
This.
There's nothing wrong with meta 4 having same effect as meta 5 with less penalities. It cannot be produced for starters, often meaning meta 4 is rarer and therefore more expensive.
Unless you own a T2 BPO of a subpar item, there's no reason to be bothered by this, except possibly someone's lack of willingness to think.
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.10.06 15:43:00 -
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Originally by: Cpt Branko
Originally by: Sirius Problem suggesting that all modules should follow a simple, linear path of "uberness" (t1, t2, faction, officer, etc) would make things rather bland and remove one of the thinking elements from the game.
This.
There's nothing wrong with meta 4 having same effect as meta 5 with less penalities. It cannot be produced for starters, often meaning meta 4 is rarer and therefore more expensive.
Well if it makes some (T2) modules completely worthless, then that is actually wrong.
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Dr Cedric
Caldari Orbital Industry and Research.
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Posted - 2008.10.06 16:26:00 -
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It doesn't make the T2 item worthless, it makes it less expensive, easier to find, but harder to fit because of the first two.
It totally makes sense...Think about 425mm Railguns. T1 is crappy, T2 has better range/Damage modifier, but is way harder to fit. T1ML4 has same range and damage modifier but is easier to fit and WAAAY more expensive. Seems about right to me. Dr Cedric
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.10.06 18:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Cedric It doesn't make the T2 item worthless, it makes it less expensive, easier to find, but harder to fit because of the first two.
It totally makes sense...Think about 425mm Railguns. T1 is crappy, T2 has better range/Damage modifier, but is way harder to fit. T1ML4 has same range and damage modifier but is easier to fit and WAAAY more expensive. Seems about right to me.
You're getting some things wrong and forget to mention details.
First off, T2 plates are not cheaper. They are actually more expensive. Check the Sinq Laison market. Gallente are armor tankers, so that market is quite expressive. 1600mm T2 costs 2.4m while 1600mm Rolled Tungsten costs 1.6m. Why should anyone in one's right mind buy and use the T2 version?
And they are not only harder to fit, but also considerably less effective. T2 1600mm plates are a whooping 36% heavier than Meta 4! Additionally the 'harder to fit' on other T2 modules most of the time affects only either CPU or PG. T2 plates use up considerably more CPU and PG. Then if you would like to compare them with turrets, don't forget to mention that T2 turrets are not worse than their T1 counterparts, stat-wise. Yes, they are harder to fit, but none of the important stats like range or damage is inferior. On the contrary, T2 turrets provide more damage through specialisation skills and T2 range ammo. And they actually are cheaper.
The thing is, nothing compensates for the higher fitting requirements of T2 plates. Nothing. They are even worse stats-wise. So yes, they are useless. 36% more weight addition than best named is ridiculous.
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Dristra
Amarr Shadows of the Dead Elitist Cowards
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Posted - 2008.10.06 21:14:00 -
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You know this will lead to a nerf of all other armourplates than T2, right?
That is the way ccp works...
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2008.10.07 07:12:00 -
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Maybe just drop the fitting requirements, especially CPU down to less than meta4 levels and keep the mass, hitpoints and (most of the) powergrid. That way it would become a viable alternative option for CPU tight ships instead of a complete replacement of meta 4.
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