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Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Constructiion	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:47:00 - [1] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 07/10/2008 11:47:09 Hey guys. I was thinking of getting an alt in a Harbinger for some PvP. I myself fly caldari (blackbird and drake). I would liek to try out some new races ships, so the power of two thing going on might be a good oportunity to train an alt for the Harbinger. But what setup should I aim for? T2 medium lasers is a must of course (pulse lasers I recon). I have this on the drawingboard now: [Harbinger, PvP] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty low slot] [empty med slot] Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Prohibitor I Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 Tho I am unsure how to finish it up. (Is the 1600 RT even worht having on?) Hope you guys can give some advice! :)
Melokai Amarr ADAMA Corps Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2008.10.07 11:55:00 - [2] Im at work so I don't know if this is the exact fit I use, but: In the lows add 1 EANM II and 3 Heat Sink IIs In the mid I use a med cap booster with 400 or 800s i don't know which is more appropiate tbh, probably 400s. In the highs i just have an offlined smartbomb in the middle of the turrets as an overloading heat sink. Don't use Conflag unless you KNOW you want to use conflag, use faction MF instead and Scorch is awesome, use that too. I don't rig mine. So that's the set up I use and the 1600mm plate is essential, keep it.
Baron Agamemnon Caldari Holy Grail Constructiion	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:00:00 - [3] Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 07/10/2008 12:02:48 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 07/10/2008 12:02:00 Edited by: Baron Agamemnon on 07/10/2008 12:01:51 Thanks! :) So I got this now: [Harbinger, PvP] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Prohibitor I Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 But if I wanted to rig it, would Energy Locus Coordinator I be ok (for some extra range)? or maby some armor hardeners?
Yoko Lee Caldari	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:06:00 - [4] My setup : 7x focused Medium pulse II 10mn mwd II, 1x med cap inj, 1x web, 1x disruptor II 1x mar II, 1x 1600mm RT, 1x eanm, 1x dc II, 2x heat sink II 3x rigs trimak 5x med ecm drone (30k armor with hg slave set)
Furb Killer Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:17:00 - [5] What i use for harbinger: [Harbinger, PVP] 800mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Adaptive Nano Plating II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Small Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 150 Warp Disruptor I Stasis Webifier II Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Scorch M [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Hammerhead II x5 You can also use ECM drones and swap EANM for another heatsink. If you try hard enough you maybe can swap ANP for another eanm.
Gartel Reiman Civis Romanus Sum	Posted - 2008.10.07 12:50:00 - [6] Originally by: Baron Agamemnon But if I wanted to rig it, would Energy Locus Coordinator I be ok (for some extra range)? or maby some armor hardeners? Trimarks would be vastly superior to armour hardeners, especially as you're going for a pure buffer tank. Try them out in EHP and look at the difference in EHP with trimarks vs resistance rigs. Locus coordinators would be quite nice (as they often are in general with T2 pulses), though you'll have to watch the powergrid to see if you can support them. If you can't fit them "natively" it's not worth dropping any of your lows to fit a powergrid mod, and putting an ACR on a Harbi just to fit a pair of locus rigs sounds ridiculously expensive. In general I don't tend to rig Harbingers since the obvious choices are EHP or laser range, both of which a Geddon is better at natively, as well as being much better value for money once rigs come into the equation. Of course there are some situations where a rigged Harbinger would be more attractive than a battleship (perhaps for its faster locking time or perceived lower threat) but by large "get a Geddon" is a legitimate counter.
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:13:00 - [7] This is the setup I run at the moment, switch a HSII for eanmII if you want a bit more tank. Originally by: Baron Agamemnon I have this on the drawingboard now: [Harbinger, PvP] Damage Control II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I [empty low slot] <- adaptive plate II [empty low slot] <- Heat Sink II [empty low slot] <- Heat Sink II [empty low slot] <- Heat Sink II [empty med slot] <- Med Cap Booster - 800's Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive <- 10MN MWD 1 X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Faint Warp Prohibitor I <- Disruptor II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M <- Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Conflagration M [empty high slot] <- Med Neut [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] [empty rig slot] Vespa EC-600 x5 <- Valkyre II
Leto Atraities	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:25:00 - [8] please forgive this slight high jack, but i will soon be in 0.0 and am wondering why these setups do not include a armor repper? other than that thanks for putting out the setups as i am sure to use them.
Spectre3353 Gallente The Python Cartel	Posted - 2008.10.07 14:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Spectre3353 on 07/10/2008 14:38:12 Originally by: Leto Atraities please forgive this slight high jack, but i will soon be in 0.0 and am wondering why these setups do not include a armor repper? other than that thanks for putting out the setups as i am sure to use them. In a majority of situations, using a low slot to enhance the buffer tank will be considerably more effective than the small amount of armor repaired and the cap used up during a fight by an armor repairer. Mixing active and buffer tanks isn't really a very effective way to go MOST of the time. The only real reason to fit a repper would be for the convenience of being able to repair yourself after fights without having to find a station. Also, a MAR uses way more powergrid than a plate or an EANM and the rest of the setup might have to be gimped in order to accommodate it. ----- My Pirate Blog: http://evenewb.blogspot.com/ My Ransom Board: http://www.pcransomboard.com/
Vikarion Caldari Hunters Imperiale	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:05:00 - [10] This is one of the set-ups I usually use, and I like it. It's a close range ripper, so make sure you're close to your opponent. Harbinger: Hi Slots: 7x Heavy Pulse Laser II with Amarr Navy Multifrequency Mids: 1 Cap Mod (I have to resort to using a Recharger, training up further skills for a booster) 1x MWD 1x 20 km Scram 1x Web Lows: 3x Heat Sink IIs 2x EANM IIs 1x Overdrive Injector System II Rigs: 3x Trimark Armor Pump Drones: 5x Valkyrie II You can get some decent DPS out of this, I get about 560 with current skill with 36.6K EHP. Once I get t2 drones and up my skills a bit, that should jump to 700 dps or so. Not bad, in my opinion. -------- EVE - The only non-consensual PvP MMORPG* *Note: does not contain non-consensual PvP as of 9/3/2008

Crellion Art of War Exalted.	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:11:00 - [11] Originally by: Yoko Lee My setup : 7x focused Medium pulse II 10mn mwd II, 1x med cap inj, 1x web, 1x disruptor II 1x mar II, 1x 1600mm RT, 1x eanm, 1x dc II, 2x heat sink II 3x rigs trimak 5x med ecm drone (30k armor with hg slave set) But if you fly this BC in 0.0 with an HG set in your capsule I expect very soon you will be without one so just give us the non slave set figure ugh... Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Furb Killer Gallente Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:12:00 - [12] Switch at least an EANM for a damagecontrol.
Zero Threat Gallente Rebirth.	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:18:00 - [13] Actually i love my fit, Tanks like a command ship. highs: 7x Focused Pulse Lasers, Small nos mids: AB, web, warp disruptor, med cap injector lows: Med arm rep, DC, 3x EANM 1600mm RTP rigs: 3x Trimarks Drones, either 5x med ECM drones, or 5x Valkries t2s Also Works with a maller and prophency and there t2 versions just varies b/c of Slots.
Annowyn Domini Umbrus Free Trade Zone.	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Zero Threat Actually i love my fit, Tanks like a command ship. highs: 7x Focused Pulse Lasers, Small nos mids: AB, web, warp disruptor, med cap injector lows: Med arm rep, DC, 3x EANM 1600mm RTP rigs: 3x Trimarks Drones, either 5x med ECM drones, or 5x Valkries t2s Also Works with a maller and prophency and there t2 versions just varies b/c of Slots. What is the point of that fit? Sure it can kind of half ass tank, but who cares? That build does no damage. If you had a gang mod on it and were using it just for the gang mod, that is a different story, but you are not. :(
Zero Threat Gallente Rebirth.	Posted - 2008.10.07 16:38:00 - [15] Edited by: Zero Threat on 07/10/2008 16:38:38 Edited by: Zero Threat on 07/10/2008 16:38:00 Originally by: Annowyn Originally by: Zero Threat Actually i love my fit, Tanks like a command ship. highs: 7x Focused Pulse Lasers, Small nos mids: AB, web, warp disruptor, med cap injector lows: Med arm rep, DC, 3x EANM 1600mm RTP rigs: 3x Trimarks Drones, either 5x med ECM drones, or 5x Valkries t2s Also Works with a maller and prophency and there t2 versions just varies b/c of Slots. What is the point of that fit? Sure it can kind of half ass tank, but who cares? That build does no damage. If you had a gang mod on it and were using it just for the gang mod, that is a different story, but you are not. :( The Matter of the Fact Is it works, Killed Hurricanes and many myrmidons with it, It may not be the fit for you but try it its more of a tank then anything. If u can out tank ur enemy and kill him b4 he kills you then thats what this is for. also for baiting. This fit is on my maller with small guns, ive killed off 15 man AF,Ceptors Frig gans solo with this(on a maller.)
Terianna Eri Amarr Scrutari	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:29:00 - [16] Originally by: Spectre3353 Also, a MAR uses way more powergrid than a plate or an EANM and the rest of the setup might have to be gimped in order to accommodate it. MAR II uses 173 pg 800mm RT uses 200 fyi __________________________________ Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
Nomakai Delateriel Amarr Shadow Company Axiom Empire	Posted - 2008.10.07 19:49:00 - [17] Originally by: Annowyn What is the point of that fit? Sure it can kind of half ass tank, but who cares? That build does no damage. If you had a gang mod on it and were using it just for the gang mod, that is a different story, but you are not. :( Because everyone shoots the Harbinger first... Pretty much every harbinger you find out there is gank or semi-gank fitted. From a pure "EFT" or tactical perspective it's useless, it doesn't do anything and other ships do what it does best (tanking) much better. Add a meta-tactical perspective and you see that because people EXPECT the harbinger to have plenty of firepower and a pretty mediocre tank then fitting it for tanking means that it can be more valuable to the team than a gank harbinger (which could go poof in the first 10 seconds of the fight and deliver a mediocre 6000 damage in total or less). ______________________________________________ -My respect can not be won, only lost. It's given freely and only grudgingly withdrawn.
Foulque	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:50:00 - [18] Problem being it cant field any considerable tank anyway, putting in a MAR you're just gimping your EHP or firepower. A MAR IS a good idea if you're going solo or don't expect to be able to rep easily but the plate is what keeps you alive. If you want more survivability fit 1/2 EANMs and hit that broadcast button when you're primaried. Fitting a full on tank is just gimping a great ship.
Kaylaye Amarr	Posted - 2008.10.07 20:51:00 - [19] Here's something close to the norm... [Harbinger, Plate] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Heat Sink II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Damage Control II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Epsilon Warp Prohibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 200 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Focused Medium Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II Heavy Pulse Laser II [empty high slot] [empty rig slot] -> Trimark or Empty [empty rig slot] -> Trimark or Empty [empty rig slot] -> Trimark or Empty Hobgoblin II x5 Hornet EC-300 x5
Meridius Dex Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2008.10.07 22:46:00 - [20] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Medium Armor Repairer II Damage Control II 3x Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800 Warp Disruptor II X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 7x Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Medium EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Hammerhead II x5 (ECMs if you're soloing) It's what I fly. And I'm awesome. -- Meridius Dex -- Amarr = EVE on Hard setting

kessah Suicidal Tendencies Ltd	Posted - 2008.10.08 00:01:00 - [21] Edited by: kessah on 08/10/2008 00:01:31 Low sec / fw setup, drop the pirate set and put in 8 - 20m in implants and ul get nearly same dps and its ready for 0.0
AstroPhobic Minmatar	Posted - 2008.10.08 00:21:00 - [22] My last build.... [Harbinger, Pee Vee Pee] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 400 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Medium Plasma Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Valkyrie II x5 What I would switch to.... [Harbinger, Pee Vee Pee copy 1] 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Coreli C-Type Adaptive Nano Plating Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Y-T8 Overcharged Hydrocarbon I Microwarpdrive J5 Prototype Warp Inhibitor I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator Small Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 25 Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Heavy Pulse Laser II, Amarr Navy Multifrequency M Medium EMP Smartbomb I /OFFLINE Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Vespa EC-600 x5 Loses about 300 EHP, gains 50 gun DPS, and ECM drones for solobility. Costs maybe a bit more due to the centi C type, but FMP are more expensive than HPL anyway. Trimarks optional as always.
Ben Booley M. Corp Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:09:00 - [23] [Harbinger, New Setup 1] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Damage Control II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive II Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M Armored Warfare Link - Passive Defence Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Trimark Armor Pump I Hammerhead II x5 21k Armor, around 80k EHP, 550 DPS with scorch. The NEW M.Corp Data Hub - Check it out!
Tiresias Bishop	Posted - 2008.10.08 03:40:00 - [24] Hey man, I got to say I fit my harb pretty much like Furb above. the combo of 7 heavy pulse II's fitted with conflags, several heat sinks and 5 meduim T2 drones (as well as some extra shooty rigs if i'm feeling rich) will help you to do what this ship was intended to do - show up and kick some ass. The DPS this thing kicks out can crack the toughest passive drake fit, and if you can cram an afterburner on there somewhere it can keep pace with most ships long enough to reduce them to floating blobs of molten metal. Which only takes a few seconds. I dont think this ship is built for a tank. Is meant to burn up your enemies so fast you have no need for a tank (although i have to admit even I equip an DCII and some EANM's.) 1v1 this setup is hard to beat. And lets face it, if you get ganked, even a fully kitted out tank ship (like maybe a passive drake - ok yes i hate them too ) is not going to last very long either. Why trade the abitlity to kick ass solo or in small groups with the ability to watch another volley of torps hit your shiny new ship? Besides i pirate so i tend to be the one ganking anyway and the more dmg output, the better it looks on the killboard

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