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No seriously
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:47:00 -
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This isn't a whine thread, just a "huh?" thread... in fact I don't yet fly the Harb OR the Hurricane.
Initially the Hurricane and Harbinger look similar in a lot of ways.
The hurricane can still put out DPS when it's neuted out, so it has an advantage there. It can also dictate some range.
The Harbinger clearly has more damage opportunity though, and it doesn't really need to dictate range because it uses lasers. It also has a better opportunity for a passive armor tank. (More base armor, and more PG.)
Nonetheless, you look around killboards and videos and what do you see? Hurricane, hurricane, hurricane. Hurricanes everywhere! They're one of the non-nanoed ships of wtfpwnage.
I'm not claiming that Hurricanes are overpowered btw. I'm sure they're just fine.
But I do wonder: where's the praise for the Harbinger? Or... is there some reason that they suck? Looking at fittings, etc, I can't imagine they suck. In fact, I fly Gallente and Caldar, and I WISH I had a gunship as awesome as the Harbinger.
So what gives?
Where's the praise and videos of Harbinger ownage?
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Gram Hellfire
Smoking Hillbillys
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Posted - 2008.10.08 04:58:00 -
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Love for the 'binger is limited due to the low cost of the geddon. The geddon's pure kill/isk ratio owns the harbinger's completely. Also, a heavy pulse MWD harbinger cannot fit a plate, iirc.
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HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:06:00 -
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and have you seen how SEXY the cane is?
its just hot baby. HOT HOT HOT
you are correct. the harbinger is a badass though and the above makes sense that the small isk increase to step up to the even more badass geddon has a lot to do with it
to step up from the cane we get the phoon, while very nice, isn't quite the same thing and required much more SP to be as effective. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:09:00 -
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Originally by: Gram Hellfire Love for the 'binger is limited due to the low cost of the geddon. The geddon's pure kill/isk ratio owns the harbinger's completely. Also, a heavy pulse MWD harbinger cannot fit a plate, iirc.
it can with awu 4, and a reactor control II, but its mids are mwd, web, scram, cap recharger (named one too for cpu)
I would pick harb over cane most of the time, I dont know why I dont fly harb's more tbh, only bad thing about it is I think it looks bad.
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No seriously
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:11:00 -
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Yeah actually I was wondering about that. Hurricane = one of the best looking kali ships, imo.
Harb = blech... like the Domi. Solid ship, and fugly.
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Kerdrak
3B Legio IX Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:19:00 -
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I used to fly the harbinger very often when focused medium pulses II were at 300k/u. Now I prefer to use a Geddon. |
Furb Killer
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:34:00 -
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With AWU4 the harb can fit 800mm plate + mwd + 7 heavy pulse II + small cap booster. |
Vanthropy
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:37:00 -
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they both rock absolute ballz tbh
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:41:00 -
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Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 08/10/2008 05:41:49 1) The Hurricane just looks awesome. It's pretty mediocre stats-wise, but style has some value to people.
2) There are a lot of people who have Minmatar skills, whether because they trained Minmatar before the metagame shifts and haven't switched to Amarr/Caldari, or because they fly/want to fly a Vagabond/Rapier/Sleipnir/Broadsword. The Hurricane gives them a decent BC without having to spend all the time getting T2 lasers to improve a ship class that really isn't their end goal in EVE.
As for which is better, Harbinger in every way. This just isn't even a close fight, the only BC that can give the Harbinger any serious competition for "best BC" is the Drake, and even there, the Harbinger is a pretty close second.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:45:00 -
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I am FOTMing for the 'geddon (ex-Mega pilot, recently reactivated the account). I'm personally looking forward to flying the Harbinger.
Though, right before I quit I had trained medium projectile 5 because midsize Minmatar ships rock.
Yeah, my philosophy is fly everything, then you're nerfproof.
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Vanthropy
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:45:00 -
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lol, hurricane is my endgame ship after my deimos :D.. i only fly what looks ****ing sick.. and they both do. and my skill tree isn't massive either. Hmm gotta love amarr though, what are you into merin? Hvy missile drake or Ham drake?
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy lol, hurricane is my endgame ship after my deimos :D.. i only fly what looks ****ing sick.. and they both do. and my skill tree isn't massive either. Hmm gotta love amarr though, what are you into merin? Hvy missile drake or Ham drake?
Heavy missile. HAM Drake ends up switching to javelin HAMs so often that you might as well take advantage of the lower grid and FoFs from heavy launchers. Of course I love my Falcon and 250km HML Cerberus better than either...
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations
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Posted - 2008.10.08 05:50:00 -
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Harbingers are awesome! If you can cope with a bit less DPS then drop down to FMPs and a 1600mm. Not as ganky, but it isn't that much less for the EHP you get, and tank is usually king these days. You could use a 'geddon sure but with two or three 1600mm plates you are about as agile as Lisa Riley.
I put both ships in the same league, though the Harbinger has that versatile range to hit out too with Scorch so for me it is just that bit better. Bad thing is that damn 7th turret location, sort it out CCP and the fact that ***drakes are better.
Bring on the trumpets. |
HankMurphy
Minmatar Pelennor Enterprises
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:19:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
As for which is better, Harbinger in every way. This just isn't even a close fight, the only BC that can give the Harbinger any serious competition for "best BC" is the Drake, and even there, the Harbinger is a pretty close second.
thats a fairly ignorant comment, no offense. eft warrioring, sure whatever.
its all about 3 things. setup, pilot and scenario. you cant just stamp one as hands down better than the other between these 2 ships.
harbinger is a great ship. but i have yet to see a harbinger stand up to my cane. ------------------------------ everybody be cool this is a threadjack! just lay face down on the ground and no one will get hurt! |
Gneeznow
Minmatar North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:21:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
As for which is better, Harbinger in every way. This just isn't even a close fight, the only BC that can give the Harbinger any serious competition for "best BC" is the Drake, and even there, the Harbinger is a pretty close second.
thats a fairly ignorant comment, no offense. eft warrioring, sure whatever.
its all about 3 things. setup, pilot and scenario. you cant just stamp one as hands down better than the other between these 2 ships.
harbinger is a great ship. but i have yet to see a harbinger stand up to my cane.
hank speaketh the truth, setup, pilot, and scenario mean everything
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:30:00 -
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Originally by: Gneeznow hank speaketh the truth, setup, pilot, and scenario mean everything
I won't disagree, but some favorable scenarios are exceedingly difficult to engineer - and that should factor into any discussion.
-Liang --
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.08 06:53:00 -
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Originally by: HankMurphy harbinger is a great ship. but i have yet to see a harbinger stand up to my cane.
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How exactly is a Hurricane supposed to beat a Harbinger? Both ships have essentially the same dps with identical tanks, but the Harbinger's optimal range is better than the Hurricane's optimal + falloff. Even if you start off at point-blank range, the Harbinger stands a pretty good chance of just slugging it out and winning, while if the Harbinger gets any range advantage at the beginning, it's just going to be a massacre.
Sure, you can beat a Harbinger if the Harbinger pilot sucks, but that just means your skillpoint advantage is enough to overcome the superiority of the other guy's ship.
And we won't even begin to comment on the Harbinger/Drake's massive advantage in anything other than a 1v1...
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Furb Killer
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:07:00 -
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Dual neut on hurricane + higher resists to damage from harb than harb has resists to cane damage.
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Pilot Abilene
Caldari Serpentine Dream Theory
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:15:00 -
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Most of those Harby kills, dare I say, would be the FOTM crew jumping into laserboats thinking they can fly them effectively with support skills at 3 ^.^ With this in mind and the increased popularity of Amarr ships it's only logical that we see more dead.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:24:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer Dual neut on hurricane + higher resists to damage from harb than harb has resists to cane damage.
Neuts, I'll grant, if the Hurricane starts out point-blank, but better damage type? Think again. If the Hurricane is tanked significantly, it probably has an explosive hardener, and EM will actualy be lower than explosive. If the Hurricane is un-tanked, the high EM resist on armor is offset by the zero EM resist on shields, since both are essentially the same.
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:43:00 -
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well.. cuz the harby's optimal is actually a hindrance at point blank range (see tracking) the hurricane pilot (you know, if he's good like me) will melt the harby's face by like.. orbiting.. "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Vanthropy well.. cuz the harby's optimal is actually a hindrance at point blank range (see tracking) the hurricane pilot (you know, if he's good like me) will melt the harby's face by like.. orbiting..
You have to orbit within 500 meters to really have a good chance of outtracking his guns. Webs are a *****.
-Liang --
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Cmndr Griff
Opinicus Operations
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Posted - 2008.10.08 07:58:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Vanthropy well.. cuz the harby's optimal is actually a hindrance at point blank range (see tracking) the hurricane pilot (you know, if he's good like me) will melt the harby's face by like.. orbiting..
You have to orbit within 500 meters to really have a good chance of outtracking his guns. Webs are a *****.
-Liang
Yeah I have never had an issue with that to be honest, a sensible Harby pilot would be trying to move away, or if both had ECM drones (which I don't think unreasonable) then the Harby is more likely to get a jam and again MWD out of the cane optimal.
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Xori Ruscuv
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.08 08:37:00 -
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Edited by: Xori Ruscuv on 08/10/2008 08:39:11
Originally by: Pilot Abilene Most of those Harby kills, dare I say, would be the FOTM crew jumping into laserboats thinking they can fly them effectively with support skills at 3 ^.^ With this in mind and the increased popularity of Amarr ships it's only logical that we see more dead.
Oi! I'm a FOTM chaser, and my controlled bursts, energy management, and eng. systems op. are all at 5 TYVM >:D
... and I won't bother hopping into my harby until my medium pulse spec is at 4 ~_~
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.08 09:58:00 -
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Edited by: Terianna Eri on 08/10/2008 09:59:56
Originally by: Vanthropy well.. cuz the harby's optimal is actually a hindrance at point blank range (see tracking) the hurricane pilot (you know, if he's good like me) will melt the harby's face by like.. orbiting..
Larger optimal doesn't make you mysteriously track worse at close range, and medium-size pulse lasers track really quite phenominally well.
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Originally by: Gram Hellfire Love for the 'binger is limited due to the low cost of the geddon. The geddon's pure kill/isk ratio owns the harbinger's completely. Also, a heavy pulse MWD harbinger cannot fit a plate, iirc.
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Hammerhead II x5
It needs a little bit of extra CPU - there's several things you can do about it. I have a cpu reduction implant. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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No seriously
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Posted - 2008.10.08 11:46:00 -
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Edited by: No seriously on 08/10/2008 11:51:45 Hmm, a little EFT warring seems like the hurricane's dps is better AND has a better tank... and that's just with 6 guns, not even considering missiles etc. (I've discounted drones, since I assume both will be carrying chickenout/wishiwassoloinginafalcon drones )
Eh, nvm!
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Furb Killer
Gallente Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:50:00 -
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Harb got larger drone bay...
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.08 12:53:00 -
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Originally by: No seriously Edited by: No seriously on 08/10/2008 11:51:45 Hmm, a little EFT warring seems like the hurricane's dps is better AND has a better tank... and that's just with 6 guns, not even considering missiles etc. (I've discounted drones, since I assume both will be carrying chickenout/wishiwassoloinginafalcon drones )
Eh, nvm!
poast setups plx __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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No seriously
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:22:00 -
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Edited by: No seriously on 08/10/2008 13:25:55 Edited by: No seriously on 08/10/2008 13:22:29
Originally by: Terianna Eri
poast setups plx
Yeah, I think I'll save myself the embarrassment. To put it shortly, I, well, er... "EFT: YER DOING IT WRONG".
EFT wise these ships look quite evenly matched, really... and the harbi better hope the opponent doesn't have a strong omnitank!
But given the obvious superiority of the Hurricane in the field, well, I'm still confused. Must have to do with what the above poster was saying. Armor is feckin' slow. :/
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Vanthropy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:56:00 -
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actually having a high optimal range does make your tracking mysteriously suck at low range.. someone get out a tracking guide. the only place where minmatar gunz kick amarr gunz ass now is under their mysteriously high optimal range. Liang is pretty much right, but at point blank range that's all it would take.
that's how minmatar guns are balanced with amarr guns, lol, like your guns just rock teh balls at all ranges because your optimal range is huge, it's not like missiles where it's a magical bubble of dps, tracking hits your high optimal guns harder than it hits minmatar high fall off guns.
honestly though, gonna be hard to pull it all off on a good harby "SPEED + GANK = SPANK... Spank that ***** up" |
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