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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 13:53:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 08/10/2008 13:53:38 Here's my setup
Highs: 2x 200mm AC IIs:Hail S 'arbalest' rocket launcher: CN firefox
Mids: 1mn MWD II "thinking about the 20 mil Gistii B-type" Scram/web Medium Shield extender II
Lows: MAPC Overdrive Gyrostabilizer II
Rigs: Projectile Damage/RoF
Nearly as fast as a ceptor "4km/s 6km overloaded", 18km web range "23km overloaded", 100DPS, and a Medium Extender with full T2 resists. This thing eats ceptors for breakfast in a fleet situation while costing no more then one if you lose it. Offensively very strong while still being able to catch ceptors efficiently. _______________
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:03:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Hail S
No, swap to barrage (or RF EMP if you have to). Other than that, looks cool i guess. ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:07:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
No, swap to barrage (or RF EMP if you have to). Other than that, looks cool i guess.
With barrage you'll only get a 6km falloff and once they're webbed from 18-23km it's easy to close to 0. Maybe RF EMP for the tracking but the falloff is a non-issue. _______________
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arbalesttom
Caldari Glauxian Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:10:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: arbalesttom
No, swap to barrage (or RF EMP if you have to). Other than that, looks cool i guess.
With barrage you'll only get a 6km falloff and once they're webbed from 18-23km it's easy to close to 0. Maybe RF EMP for the tracking but the falloff is a non-issue.
But you have to consider that, especially the close range inties like the taranis, you really dont want to be within a 5km+ bubble of them. Thats where the barrage probably helps out. Its going to be tricky anyway, because a pulsesader will probably rip you a new one before you kill him, if you come too close to a taranis (lets say, webrange) you are verry likely to be screwed as well.
True, it depends on the situation, but, considering your in a eas, better try to keep some range of most inties. At least, thats what i think. ***Sig***
Originally by: Cpt Branko That is a JoJo, a forum troll used by Amarr whiners.
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: arbalesttom
But you have to consider that, especially the close range inties like the taranis, you really dont want to be within a 5km+ bubble of them. Thats where the barrage probably helps out.
The thing is that hyena fit is tough. Hyena gets the full T2 resists compared to the ceptors half-assed resists along with a 1500 shield buffer. Considering a ceptor only has a few hundred points of defense along with a few seconds of "wtf" before they realise what's going on the ceptor is going to be long dead by then.
At those speeds I don't think you can count on keeping any range for long and would rather have it end as quickly as possible. _______________
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Diomidis on 08/10/2008 14:41:22 It's not that easy as it seems:
* your "decent" dps are restricted by your hugely limited range. You have to move pretty much at point blank to deal even close to 100dps, thus putting yourself in danger to everything packing a webber itself.
* When webbed, most ceptors will out-run and/or out-gank you: light missile crow, rocket crow, malediction + rockets, and of course taranis...you will also probably not out-track a pulse-sader as you approach from 20+ km down to 1-2km ranges, so that will kill you too...
* Outside web range and while you are approaching your small shield extender will be pulverized by all the missile/rocket ceptors and your low EHP to start with will mean it's a close fight. You need to raise your EHP when you are planing moving so close. EDIT - scratch that - u have a Medium Shield Extender - still I would opt for fall-off rigs and barrage to get some range out of my fitting - Stop using Hail - u cannot impress the audience as range is ridiculous and beats the purpose of the Hyena = dictating range. Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: DubanFP on 08/10/2008 14:44:30
Originally by: Diomidis your small shield extender.
MEDIUM shield extender II. That is cruiser sized. This gives a good 1500 shields with superior resists right there. Also how many fleet ceptors pack a web? Most won't even get into normal web range in a large fleet fight if given the option. Nor will they even know they're under attack immediately during the chaos of a large fleet. _______________
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:45:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: Diomidis your small shield extender.
MEDIUM shield extender. You know, cruiser sized? That gives a good 1500 shields right there.
Yes, sorry, I've corrected my post above before seeing your reply
It's possible to score some kills in it, tho there are "other" EASs a tad more capable in ceptor killing, or the Hyena itself can be made a tad more usefull in a gang than this setup implies IMHO... Join the Biggest Greek Corp! www.Mythos-eve.com - Join Mythos Channel in game! |
DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 14:56:00 -
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Originally by: Diomidis Yes, sorry, I've corrected my post above before seeing your reply
It's possible to score some kills in it, tho there are "other" EASs a tad more capable in ceptor killing, or the Hyena itself can be made a tad more usefull in a gang than this setup implies IMHO...
I expanded my last post. The thing is barrage and falloff seems to be a waste of amo to me. The point is to grab a ceptor in the chaos of a 50+ v 50+, overwelm him as quickly as possible and repeat. All the while having a good buffer for any ceptor that does fight back or if I get hit by some other ships. This isn't a 1 v 1 Ceptor V Hyena fight i'm planning for with this setup.
This is taking advantage of the chaos to blow up a handful of ceptors and keep our ships free of tackle. The last time I used it it did quite well. _______________
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Pan Crastus
Anti-Metagaming League
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Posted - 2008.10.08 15:11:00 -
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I'd use RF EMP S tbh ...
How to PVP: 1. buy ISK with GTCs, 2. fit cloak, learn aggro mechanics, 3. buy second account for metagaming
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.08 15:30:00 -
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6km overloaded...and how long do you think a ceptor can keep up the 8km speed without even overloading...
Last time i checked... a ceptor going under 6.5km is a deathtrap.
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 15:37:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer 6km overloaded...and how long do you think a ceptor can keep up the 8km speed without even overloading...
Under 90% webs its a bit tricky
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Dalryn
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Posted - 2008.10.08 17:58:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP
Originally by: arbalesttom
No, swap to barrage (or RF EMP if you have to). Other than that, looks cool i guess.
With barrage you'll only get a 6km falloff and once they're webbed from 18-23km it's easy to close to 0. Maybe RF EMP for the tracking but the falloff is a non-issue.
Isn't the point of a Hyena that you don't need to get into close range? Why would you want to put yourself in webber range when you can stay out of it and use missiles or artillery instead?
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z0de
Gallente The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.08 18:13:00 -
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Edited by: z0de on 08/10/2008 18:15:23 I don't see it working well. any of the webbing ships tell inties to run(keep 30km+ away), if you do manage to web one the fact that you want to close on them just means they have a chance to fight back. A maxed taranis does 298dps with 3876 ehp at 0.9+2.5k which would make it "intresting". You're better off using your webbing from distance to your advantage.
oh and your only fast as slow inties, most will go 6kms+ easily.
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Diomidis
Amarr Mythos Corp RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.08 18:57:00 -
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The Taranis is a formidable opponent tho by no means "fast" for it's class. So overheating and clever navigation is all you need to get within web range with the Hyena. 6km/sec is enough for most cases. Even the 4km/sec is enough in the ideal scenario the OP implies - aka the ceptors not knowing what's coming after them etc...
I do believe you get success with that ship, yet you admit it has been in the heat a multiple ship engagement etc.
Yet I do insist on the fact that that ship's DPS and EHP cannot survive past 1x ceptor, let aside the fact that few ceptors will sit and wait for you. Most ceptors can re-approach bubbled/camped gates and jump off after decloaking with relative safety: even under your single webber. A ceptor that stays and fights means he knows what he is doing. Should a suicide ceptor pilot decides to tackle either your gang mate or your ship, means he has serious backup that will pulverize you both (or even your whole gang) aka he knows his probable ship-loss will worth it compared to yours.
This fit can only be judged as one intended for solo. Even if you wanted to fit it for a 2 man gang, you could do it better IMHO, using at least 2x webbers and nano-lows for speed-tanking. Fitting for dmg in an unbonused ship, with an unbonused platform will rarely provide the goods...especially when you are making compromises on "bonuced" modules, like the MWD and Webbers - in case of the Hyena.
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eXtas
Atomic Battle Penguins
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Posted - 2008.10.08 19:25:00 -
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hyena can kill most ceptors easy outside webb range using 2 light missiles.. tho it takes time. rail/blaster ranis or pulse sader is way beter to kill other ceptors in a big fight.. 200-300 dps will kill them before they know what hit them. allso hyena is a target for all ceptors so doubt you get to fly around in peace :P
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RiL Vent
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:05:00 -
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My budget tackler / antifrig setup:
2х Overdrive II MAPC
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Fleeting Warp Scrambler I X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator 1MN MicroWarpdrive II
2x 'Malkuth' Standard ML 150mm AC II
Rigs: CCC is preferred
Overall cost of this ship is about 19M + rigs.
If it doesn't fit your grid, put the T1 MVD. Tackle at 15km orbit, kill the frigs/ceptors at close range.
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Rellik B00n
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:22:00 -
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Edited by: Rellik B00n on 10/10/2008 16:23:19 horrible ship to fit
best resists are on the shields when you need your mid slots to function properly.
If you fit against the resists and throw an armor tank ("tank" like a plate and a repper) then you lose your speed AND fitting becomes far more complex.
In the end the best fit I could come up with requires lots of faction mods which I wouldnt be prepared to put out in a frigate sized ship. I would also say that using it as an anti-ceptor boat is viable but you would be better off using it to web almost anything else, or better still just dont use it.
EAS = AF?
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Small 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I 200mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Micro Auxiliary Power Core I
Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier 1MN MicroWarpdrive II Faint Warp Prohibitor I Gallente Navy Stasis Webifier
'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher 'Malkuth' Standard Missile Launcher 250mm Light Prototype I Siege Cannon
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:43:00 -
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Originally by: DubanFP Edited by: DubanFP on 08/10/2008 13:53:38 Here's my setup
...setup...
Nearly as fast as a ceptor "4km/s 6km overloaded", 18km web range "23km overloaded", 100DPS, and a Medium Extender with full T2 resists. This thing eats ceptors for breakfast in a fleet situation while costing no more then one if you lose it. Offensively very strong while still being able to catch ceptors efficiently.
Being something of a fan of the MSE Jag, I can understand the appeal of this setup. However, something to keep in mind is that although you will have very good shield resists, they're not AF level. With maxed skills, your setup has right around 4k EHP; a Taranis with a DCII fit will have nearly that much and will pummel you in terms of DPS.
My suggestion to you: stay at range. Drop those ACs for a second standard launcher lob missiles at them while they're helplessly webbed and scrammed at ~20km. Your DPS will be lousy and the fit will be incredibly tight, but you will be able to keep an 'ceptor from going anywhere until you die or run out of cap (which will only be a minute or two).
tl;dr version: Hyenas in general lack the DPS to kill 'ceptors quickly enough to be 'good' solo 'ceptor killers. Pair up with a frigate/cruiser damage dealer though and you'll make a great team.
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