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Welture
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:30:00 -
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As above i'm looking for the best ships to get some solo low-sec kills in. The main targets will be miners, npcers and missioners. We're looking at anything from frigs up to bs's (not that i want to be able to kill everything from frig and upwards - but most of the time i like to try ).
Cruisers and bc's have been very successful for me but i've often gotten in trouble against bs's and/or little intys/tacklers.
Will be all over low-sec (so moving around fast would probably be a plus) and also would like to be able to either choose my battles or gtfo
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Stinky McPoopyPants
Minmatar Ninjas N Pirates
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:35:00 -
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Dirk Magnum
Royal Hiigaran Navy
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Posted - 2008.10.08 21:36:00 -
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I'm surprised by how many people apparently use buffer-tanked blaster BSs like the Thron solo. I always figured a solo BS in low sec was a loss mail in the making.
A Dominix will provide you the greatest flexibility when it comes to being effective against a wide variety of targets. A HAC is probably plenty of protection against miners and NPCers though. I'll let someone with solo Thron/whatever experience comment further on how useful the blaster route is.
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Morgon Borga
Caldari The Photon Raiders
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:01:00 -
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I like to fly light and cheap when I solo PvP. Just because you can afford to fly an expensive ship doesn't necessarily mean you need to in such cases. For example, a Thorax is an excellent solo ship...arguably the best in the T1 cruiser class. It's nimble, cheap, and can dish out the damage. You might have issues trying to kill a battleship on your own but you should be able to kill a variety of cruisers and battlecruisers.
A HAC would solve the battleship problem but you're looking at a $150 million ship so you'd have to be a little more careful. A battlecruiser might seem to fit the bill but they aren't much quicker than battleships...in fact they're down right clumsy.
Id say a T1 cruiser and if you're really feeling confident then use a HAC.
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Welture
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:14:00 -
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Originally by: Morgon Borga I like to fly light and cheap when I solo PvP. Just because you can afford to fly an expensive ship doesn't necessarily mean you need to in such cases. For example, a Thorax is an excellent solo ship...arguably the best in the T1 cruiser class. It's nimble, cheap, and can dish out the damage. You might have issues trying to kill a battleship on your own but you should be able to kill a variety of cruisers and battlecruisers.
A HAC would solve the battleship problem but you're looking at a $150 million ship so you'd have to be a little more careful. A battlecruiser might seem to fit the bill but they aren't much quicker than battleships...in fact they're down right clumsy.
Id say a T1 cruiser and if you're really feeling confident then use a HAC.
When you say a battlecruiser is down right clumsy can you say what things really make them so clumsy. Cause i was thinking a bc has quite a bit of armor and more slots and turret/launcher slots than cruisers so why not try to make up for the clumsiness with some added agility/locking speed or whatever and then use the added slots that are left to make a upgraded cruiser (maybe good for low-sec .... wouldn't be for 0.0 but that's not the point)
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doctorstupid2
The Accursed
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: doctorstupid2 on 08/10/2008 22:21:45
Originally by: Dirk Magnum I'm surprised by how many people apparently use buffer-tanked blaster BSs like the Thron solo. I always figured a solo BS in low sec was a loss mail in the making.
A Dominix will provide you the greatest flexibility when it comes to being effective against a wide variety of targets. A HAC is probably plenty of protection against miners and NPCers though. I'll let someone with solo Thron/whatever experience comment further on how useful the blaster route is.
You have a valid point, solo bses require a bit of patience and reckless disregard for personal well-being. As a personal opinion on the matter (I like to think my opinion here counts for something anyway) a pure buffer setup will prove to be limited, in that your reliance on remote repping or station services can leave you vulnerable or just plain cornered; after a fight you're more or less out of commission until repaired. Constant docking and undocking makes you predictable and easily cornered in, and makes it difficult to try and divide and conquer a hostile gang (especially if you're outlaw). Add to that if you're flagged under sentries it just takes one smart ass in a ceptor to hold you down til your HP runs out.
The other side of that coin is DPS kills things. It kills them really well, in fact, and buffer tanks aren't as dependent on cap boosters (and docking for resupply as a result), so they can prove to be very good (albeit slow) roaming ships. I used a hybrid tank while outlaw, part buffer part local rep (and a lot of damage) and had very good results.
I think what it really boils down to is the ships and style your comfortable with, and the decisions you make during and right before a fight, more than anything else. Cruisers and BC's can give you cheap thrills, battleships can give you efficient killing power and good survivability at the cost of mobility. Ceptors and recons leave you vulnerable to only what you chose to be vulnerable to, at the cost of flexibility and killing power.
And just to list my preferred ships, in order: Megathron Plate-Ishtar Dominix Astarte Vexor
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Cpt Branko
Surge.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 22:51:00 -
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For me: Hurricane - 90% of the time (plated, gank) Jaguar/Rifter/Wolf - 10% of the time
BS I only really fly in gangs.
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Sirius Problem
Darkness Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:06:00 -
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Originally by: Welture As above i'm looking for the best ships to get some solo low-sec kills in.
Where in low-sec? Any combat on gates or near stations will limit your ship choices, both what you fly and what you attack, because you'll have to deal with sentry fire.
Forget about cruisers. BCs can work, but you'll have to kill your targets fast, and if they shoot back much, you can easily die. As mentioned, they may not even have to shoot, just scram and hold you down under sentry fire.
If you're looking for mission runners, you'll need a probing friend or alt for best results, unless you hope to get them on gates and stations.
I quite like low-sec belt piracy, when you can find it. For that, cruisers are great, cheap fun. I'm Matari spec'd so I find the ruppy and stabber nice for that.
With the blobs running around low-sec these days, I usually don't pirate in anything overly expensive. Too often a great 1v1 or 1v2 fight turns into a blob gank. ---- Train more. Whine less.
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Morgon Borga
Caldari The Photon Raiders
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:07:00 -
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Edited by: Morgon Borga on 08/10/2008 23:11:18 Edited by: Morgon Borga on 08/10/2008 23:08:38
Originally by: Welture When you say a battlecruiser is down right clumsy can you say what things really make them so clumsy. Cause i was thinking a bc has quite a bit of armor and more slots and turret/launcher slots than cruisers so why not try to make up for the clumsiness with some added agility/locking speed or whatever and then use the added slots that are left to make a upgraded cruiser (maybe good for low-sec .... wouldn't be for 0.0 but that's not the point)
Sure you can fit a MWD and some inertia stabs to increase your agility but it may affect what you can fit in terms of gank/tank. However, even with some added speed, any cruiser with a MWD will easily keep pace if not flat outrun you. I don't have anything against battlecruisers, I love my Drake for small gang, but as a solo ship they're in a strange place between doing slightly more DPS than a cruiser but being nearly as cumbersome as a battleship so I have a hard time seeing a real benefit to flying them solo.
Granted a Harbinger would work nicely or perhaps a Myrmidon but there again the amount of mobility you lose versus a cruiser just doesn't seem to pay itself back in DPS. Battlecruisers are notorious for being all tank and no gank in relative terms. Just my opinion.
EDIT: With that said, if you are planning to camp a gate, then BC is the way to go but there again you'd have to be very choosy of your targets. For running the belts, I'd go light...pick off the miners and ratters with a cruiser.
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Welture
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:19:00 -
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The way i see it is that any ship that isn't tech 1 is losing a great deal of money because you can't insure it very well. So if i were to use a cruiser or bc with a fairly expensive fit (not too expensive) it would probably be similar price as using a af or inty with regular fit.
So full II fits or rigged setups maybe come to mind. In the question of bc vs cruiser i feel the bc's extra dps and also the fact that i get 2 extra meds (if i use the myrmidon) then i can use double web (but i do of course have to get them in web range)
So is this a bad idea: A myrmidon with ions II or neutrons II (would need rcu(s) or rig), double web, a mix of dmg and tank in low and have medium II drones and some medium ecm drones(might help get out of some tough situations).
I like the idea of having agile ships, cheap and quick but tbh i really don't like the thought of seeing a bs or bc and having to think twice about attacking - an inty with missiles hanging at 20km might be fun tho(if anyone has a good fit/ship in mind)
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Varus Riaz
Gallente Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:46:00 -
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If you're looking for cheap roaming against soft targets like miners, missioners, etc. a t1 cruiser is hard to beat.
If you're looking to be able to stand up and gank things and don't mind moving slowly, a battleship is the way to go. I personally would take a Domi over a Myrm in this type of situation. Solo-battleship is likely going to get popped at some point, but if you're region lacks a lot of dedicated gatecamps you'll probably get your money's worth before it goes up. Plus, solo roaming with a battleship is just plain fun sometimes.
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Welture
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:53:00 -
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Best ship to kill intys/frigs - bcs (most setup for mining and npcing). Someone help me make my mind up .
Need a ship that can choose it's battles and get away from bs's and well fitted bcs. Is it inty's at 20km (the dmg sucks tho doesn't it) or what?
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Varus Riaz
Gallente Sarissa Defense Group
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Posted - 2008.10.08 23:59:00 -
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HAC is what you're looking for then.
Failing that, you might give the Stabber a try. It'll gank frigates, barges, haulers, crappily fit battlecruisers and all the while be able to run away really fast from losing fights.
Then only other thing that pops into mind are assault frigates able to fight outside of web range.
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Lars Lodar
Suicidal Tendencies Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.09 01:48:00 -
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Buffer HAM Drake.
Its relatively cheap and quite effective even with inexpensive resist rigs. Most people either think you're bait or an easy target both of which work great in your favor.
Javelin HAMs and a rack of Warrior IIs should be enough deterent to against ceptors and recons if you have decent skills and know how to use your environment against them (lure them to dense belts to instapop them off rocks or make it so it's easier to get out of scram range. Or outrun Ogre IIs while chipping away and the buffer tank of a Ishtar, etc.).
Never roll with expensive rigs solo because you WILL be caught on a gate or be ganked eventually.
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