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Ibuy Usell
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:17:00 -
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This is getting ridiculous.
Today I lost a cruiser because my Mac client bombed out. This is not the first time it has decided to freeze up and require a hard reboot. I get bugs all the time with it.
Likely my petition response will come back telling me that I did logoffski and that it was a game mechanic and that I will not recieve anything lost.
Here's the deal:
The Mac client is unstable, to say the least. I lost about 15 million, which may not be much to you guys, but it's quite a bit to me.
Fix the Mac client or say that it's in Beta or something, because it's certainly not stable enough to be a finished client.
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Algey
The Littlest Hobos
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:18:00 -
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Install windows 
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CrayC
Gallente
CrayC Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:23:00 -
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Mac fix
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Dmian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:28:00 -
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Well, the client runs inside a wrapper (Cider) so, to the regular problems of the client add the bugs of the wrapper.
Can't you run it using bootcamp?
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Ibuy Usell
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:29:00 -
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I don't have 10.5, I'm on 10.4 which doesn't include boot camp.
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Antarr Slagh
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:37:00 -
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Edited by: Antarr Slagh on 09/10/2008 18:37:45
Yeah this is really an issue :\
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Will Nazca
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:42:00 -
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If you have an Intel Mac you won't need 10.5. The original Bootcamp is still available out there as a download. I run bootcamp and EVE on an unsupported computer (Mac Mini) and it runs and looks good. I tried the Mac client on the same rig and it loaded but I couldn't leave the station. Give it a try.
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Dmian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:42:00 -
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Edited by: Dmian on 09/10/2008 18:42:43
Well, it's not exactly the same as bootcamp, but just in case it helps: rEFIt
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Ibuy Usell
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:43:00 -
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Do you have a download link?
I remember searching around for it..
In the meantime though, do you guys think I'll be able to get a reimbursement?
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Dmian
Gallente
The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.09 18:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Ibuy Usell
In the meantime though, do you guys think I'll be able to get a reimbursement?
Very difficult to predict, it will depend on the GM.
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Gloomy Gustavo
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Posted - 2008.10.09 23:12:00 -
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I'm not sure why you guys are having so many problems using the MAC client. I'm running three MAC clients on my MBP simultaneously. Each runs smooth and have had no lag/hang-ups/crashes.
-J
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Baba Akili
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Posted - 2008.10.10 00:02:00 -
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yes this has been going on since they launched the mac client.
Seems there is a lot of variability in how much certain configurations get affected.
Early in the year I was freezing and crashing a lot, lost many ships.
Had to go back to only running in cruisers as my petitions were essentially laughed at.
It had gotten much more stable... until the last patch when I started to get the freeze/crashes again.
When I run EVE for a while (no other apps running, sound off) my comp becomes very unstable, other apps freeze and I need to re-boot to correct.
This system instability has always been there. |
Antarr Slagh
Trans Eve Organization
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Posted - 2008.10.10 01:47:00 -
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so I assume my petition will be similarly laughed at? |
Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.10 09:17:00 -
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Funny thing is that there seems to be a lot of variations when it comes to functionality of the client and still there are VERY limited amount of different configurations of mac-computers.
Having a lot of issues in windows/Linux is quite normal due to millons of different hardware configurations, but on macs... Also there are basically only two different OS versions too (Tiger + Leopard). |
Juliette Leblanc
Gallente
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:35:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Funny thing is that there seems to be a lot of variations when it comes to functionality of the client and still there are VERY limited amount of different configurations of mac-computers.
Having a lot of issues in windows/Linux is quite normal due to millons of different hardware configurations, but on macs... Also there are basically only two different OS versions too (Tiger + Leopard).
Unfortunately that's only partially true. While there are only a few different hardware setups on sale at any one time, there are several different hardwares that have been sold throughout time. And there are even more different software setups (not to mention non standard setups made by advanced users).
Believe me or do your own tests. For example: take a mac that was sold late last year, just past the time Leopard hit the streets. Some of them came with Tiger and a "drop in" Leopard upgrade disk. A few weeks later the same hardware came with Leopard. Install them as they came from the factory. Then take out the disks and try installing a purchased Leopard. Then try installing Tiger on the older machine and upgrade it to leopard with the purchased Leopard instead of using the drop in. You'll end up with 5 different installations. And even if you upgrade them online to the latest stuff ... there'll still be some little differences.
Or go and check the current version of the 15" Mac Book Pro. I have one purchased in early march (it had just came out). My brother has one that is 2 weeks old. Installing Leopard from the two disks we get different Leopard versions (of course), but there still are differences even AFTER an online update to latest wares.
Besides that (and there's no way you can test this yourself, you must trust my word on this) there are some differences (yes: small ones, but differences nonetheless) even in the hardwares. And I'm talking of machines that came out at different times but without any Apple announcement or specification upgrades between them. Having worked in an official Apple repair shop I could tell you more ... but then I'd have to shoot you (or be myself shot by Apple).
Originally by: CCP Prism X
In New Eden, EVE wins you.
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Piston Prius
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Posted - 2008.10.12 09:04:00 -
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I had a LOT of problems with my iMac before. My system setup:
iMac Intel Core 2 Duo (running OSX 10.4.11) - 2.1 Ghz, I Gig RAM, NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT
The first few months of play were fine. Then the client started to crash VERY often. I mean like every few minutes and caused my iMac to lockup. I had to do a hard reboot of the system everytime. After numerous times I got the dreaded gray screen of death. This went on for months. The game was unplayable. I simply took the time to study long skills.
The symptoms were typical. Tears in the GUI interface like a cat had clawed it horizontally. Flashing of the overview, stations and astroids. Errors in the textures. Polygon errors in the ship models. Sometimes my Hulk looked like a spiky porcupine with purple mining lasers. Sometimes everything looks like a giant porcupine. My Comorant destroyer sometimes turned into a beautiful Klingon green. Sometimes it was snowing in space because the size of the little moving "space dust" we see got MUCH bigger. But more seriously the GUI errors were starting to happen on other softwares even after I had quit EVE.
I tried everything that was recommended on the forums. Logging out then back into my Mac. Reducing cache size even zapping my PRAM and reset the SMU. Nothing worked except resetting the SMU. That help a bit. After I reset the SMU the fan speed on my iMAC went full speed for a few days. It was noisy and I was unable to get it back to normal. But... EVE played fine. No crashes or flashing in the overview. I was happy. I played like I haven't played in months for a few days. Then after startup one day the fan speed went back to normal and EVE started crashing again. Leaving the computer off for a few hours worked, until I started playing EVE again.
Then it hit me. It must be heat! Was my iMac overheating? I goggled about overheating iMacs and there were MANY! One fellow described exact graphic problems like the tears while he played WOW. After reading many other people's problems, the solution for me at least seems to be to download a free software called smcfancontrol_2 so I can control the fan speed and see the approximate temperature of the chip in my Mac. I did just that. It seems the default speed for the fans was around 600rpm and temperature was around 28˚C upon restart with no software running. I started EVE, logged in to simply switch training skills and quit right after that. Took about 1.5 minutes. When I quit EVE the temperature had risen to 46˚C! I cleaned the air intake slots at the bottom of my iMac with a damp cloth and increased the speed of all three fans to 3400rpm. I restarted keeping a close eye on any graphic errors and flashing while playing the game. There were none. I played for hours all afternoon (Sunday last week) until my eyes became square. No problems! No flashes! No graphic errors! No crashes! When I finally quit EVE, the temperature read 35˚C. The sound of the increased fan speed was very negligible and the iMac was still quiet. Not dead quiet as before but still quiet. You can download smcfancontrol2 here:
http://homepage.mac.com/holtmann/eidac/software/smcfancontrol2/index.html
Why did EVE play fine on my iMac for the first 6 months before the crashes? Maybe because it was a very new machine. So after running a a year now, theres more dust inside and dust is an insulator, clogs up the vents etc... I think. Anyways, this solution worked for me. It may or may not work for others. I have been playing a week now with the higher fan speed and EVE has not crashed once. A number of disconnects due to a crappy ISP but that's another story.
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Dr Sheepbringer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 06:20:00 -
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Originally by: Juliette Leblanc
Originally by: Dr Sheepbringer
Funny thing is that there seems to be a lot of variations when it comes to functionality of the client and still there are VERY limited amount of different configurations of mac-computers.
Having a lot of issues in windows/Linux is quite normal due to millons of different hardware configurations, but on macs... Also there are basically only two different OS versions too (Tiger + Leopard).
Unfortunately that's only partially true. While there are only a few different hardware setups on sale at any one time, there are several different hardwares that have been sold throughout time. And there are even more different software setups (not to mention non standard setups made by advanced users).
Believe me or do your own tests. For example: take a mac that was sold late last year, just past the time Leopard hit the streets. Some of them came with Tiger and a "drop in" Leopard upgrade disk. A few weeks later the same hardware came with Leopard. Install them as they came from the factory. Then take out the disks and try installing a purchased Leopard. Then try installing Tiger on the older machine and upgrade it to leopard with the purchased Leopard instead of using the drop in. You'll end up with 5 different installations. And even if you upgrade them online to the latest stuff ... there'll still be some little differences.
Or go and check the current version of the 15" Mac Book Pro. I have one purchased in early march (it had just came out). My brother has one that is 2 weeks old. Installing Leopard from the two disks we get different Leopard versions (of course), but there still are differences even AFTER an online update to latest wares.
Besides that (and there's no way you can test this yourself, you must trust my word on this) there are some differences (yes: small ones, but differences nonetheless) even in the hardwares. And I'm talking of machines that came out at different times but without any Apple announcement or specification upgrades between them. Having worked in an official Apple repair shop I could tell you more ... but then I'd have to shoot you (or be myself shot by Apple).
I know this, and I didn't mean it's only a handfull. Still it's a hugely different number than the pc/linux has. Anyway you look at it...it's still a very limited amount.
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