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Herschel Yamamoto
Bloodmoney Incorporated
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Posted - 2008.10.10 04:55:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns God forbid the man that tried to rob him needs help. I think he's got the right idea.
It's generally wiser not to come across as someone thinking in terms of sating their bloodlust. Disdain for robbers is fine, as is an occasional shotgun discharged at them, but you're not trying to kill them for killing's sake. ------------------ Herschel's Lottery #1 - Win a Kronos! |

Seroquel
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Posted - 2008.10.10 05:26:00 -
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I've owned several rifles in my day. However, handguns have always really creeped me out.
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Mr Friendly
That it Should Come to This
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Posted - 2008.10.10 05:26:00 -
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I've never understood why people are scared of guns.
I'm scared of the boneheads that seems to end up with many of the guns, but that's totally separate.
Guns are a very cool piece of tech.
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Micheal Dietrich
Caldari Terradyne Networks
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Posted - 2008.10.10 06:01:00 -
[34]
Last 2 items before I go to sleep for the night
#1. I'm pretty sure Bro guy is trolling. I know quite a few gun happy people but never anyone itching to shoot an intruder. My guess is he wants to just get people riled up.
#2. As for the jamming AR-15, there must've been a defect on the bolt (seen them on AK's but never AR's). I've never had any gun other than a .22 jam that bad and the few AR's Ive seen shoot perfect. |

Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.10 06:46:00 -
[35]
Edited by: Ademaro Imre on 10/10/2008 06:50:06
Originally by: JordanParey for the record, I am not sure why they started her on the AR-15- it is a veritable piece of crap. I am of the opinion that unless it has a "heavy" or chromed barrel, the AR15/M16/M4 rifle design is utter crap. I shot one one time...and it jammed every other 3rd shot >.< semi-automatic my ass.
On the other hand, glad to know that one more person in the world realizes that people kill people, instead of guns killing people.
This is a drunk-post xD
They look the same, but there are many small differences between the two. I own a AR-15. The only time it jams, is when I haven't cleaned it often enough while using cheap ammunition. That was your problem. Even Glock handguns will have problems if you do not clean them and allow poor ammunition to gunk up the works. |

Reven Cordelle
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.10 08:06:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Kirra Liu
Originally by: Terail Zoqial I'm from the UK, grew up on many farms and I just see guns the same as I see a shovel. It's just a tool.
A tool to put a quick end to chav's?
In an ideal world. One day they'll notice and we'll be able to get Mercenary licenses. I'd love every minute of every day doing that. Probably choose the sniper route if it happened. just chillin' on a roof top.. your area scanner beeps, a tag-ee (chav with an ankle tag) flicks up on your display.
Squeeze the trigger... call the clean up crew, hand in his ankle tag for the nice fat bounty. Harhar.
Ah. Good times. As for being scared of guns, unless one is being pointed in my face... locked and loaded... its' a harmless machine.
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Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
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Posted - 2008.10.10 09:45:00 -
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Originally by: Akita T Heh @ past-tense quote : "You see, I'm absolutely terrified of guns and if I go my entire life without touching one, that will be just fine with me." Yeah, it's called a phobia. People usually try to get treatment for that. Being afraid of having a loaded gun pointed at you, sure, perfectly justifiable fear. Fear of the mere presence of a gun, phobia.
"So you'd think I would be quite used to guns by now. But show me a firearm and my heart starts racing, my palms get sweaty and I feel like running far, far away. They just plain scare me."
Yep, its clearly a phobia no point arguing over the absurdity of being afraid of guns
And in all fairness its a pretty sane one considering some other peoples phobias (spiders, mice, water, hair, pickles, virgins)
Seriously they're all real phobias look it up.
And I have a friend who had a water phobia, to the point he hated bathes and only took short showers till he had enough and started going to swimming classes and learned to get over it. Same dealio with gun range. |

LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 10:10:00 -
[38]
I remember something my ex told me once about her old boyfriend. he lived in america. not sure where. But he went to open a new bank account and the member of staff bought out a gun catalogue and asked which one would he like as a gift for opening a new account. Is this true? Does it still happen. I just find that crazy to be honest. love guns and all that dont get me wrong
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Avaan Eclipse
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.10 11:18:00 -
[39]
I believe this is appropriate here 
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Milaahs Nithori
Amarr Ministry of War
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Posted - 2008.10.10 12:13:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Micheal Dietrich
Originally by: Raymond Sterns I wonder how much crime rate would diminish if more people knew how to use a gun and not panic or faint when they see one.
Honestly, not much. A criminal is still a criminal.
But it's in my belief that radical concerns would not be so radical should those with no previous experience with a firearm is given a chance to try them out, even if they never hold a gun again for the rest of their life.
Aye. Radical anti-gun sentiments in a society can often transfer into weapons being alienated by the general public, which in turn makes the guns exotic and people insecure around them. Research into this conflicts with the first point though, that a criminal is a criminal etc. It's a proven fact that many kids and teens who do not grow up around guns view them as very exiting, and in some cases not understanding at all what they are. This ofte leads to dangerous situations when guns do end up in the hands of these people.
Take Norway for example. Highest rate of gun ownership in western Europe. Most people have at least held a gun in their life, a lot of kids start shooting as soon as they have the strenght to hold a weapons, and many of them start hunting at very young ages. For these people the gun is a tool, but a deadly tool you show respect. Murder rate in Norway is among the lowest in the world, and gun violence is not even an issue related to other European nations.
Guns will exist, so it only makes sense to combat the insecurity people feel around them. Cars are much more dangerous, and you see the same trend... Insecure drivers are dangerous. In the military, it is ALWAYS the dumbasses who are insecure around firearms who mess up. Either they are nervous and swipe everyone around them over and over again until an officer slaps them, or they over-compensate for their insecurity by going rambo and ignoring safety rules.
In my opinion though, guns in civilian ownership should be used as tools for hunting and instruments of presicion sports primarily. In addition they should be used so that the population of a given nation learns how to defend their nation with force should that be required. Firearms training for force of defence is a good thing both if you defend your nation as part of a military institution, or as a civilian in the mountains 1940s style.
Firearms for self-defense US style often takes on a paranoid quality though, because of all the crime there. As a result people have the same kind of insecurity, whichs ends up with people being shot everywhere they go. The concept of shooting someone who tries to rob you is not all that bad... why risk your familiy? But something bothers me about the post about the thief being shot in the spinal cord with a 9mm. In the US some civilians also preach the importance of being armed so that they can potentially defend themselves against their own government. I am very understanding of the concept of not domesticating myself and putting my life and survival in the hands of the government alone, but the insecurity and fear US citizens have of their own countrymen and their own government is scary. I keep a watchful eye on my own government, but neither the government, the police or the military have ever given me reason to fear them.
Insecurity is what needs to be combated. If you panic, you usually end up being part of the problem. |
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Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.10 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Milaahs Nithori
Firearms for self-defense US style often takes on a paranoid quality though, because of all the crime there. As a result people have the same kind of insecurity, whichs ends up with people being shot everywhere they go. The concept of shooting someone who tries to rob you is not all that bad... why risk your familiy? But something bothers me about the post about the thief being shot in the spinal cord with a 9mm.
No. Everywhere in the US where gun restrictions are relaxed, crime rates, shootings, and murder goes down.
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MailDeadDrop
Archon Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre Everywhere in the US where gun restrictions are relaxed, crime rates, shootings, and murder goes down.
Originally by: Robert A. Heinlein An armed society is a polite society. - Beyond This Horizon (1942)
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Haraldhardrade
Amarr Pax Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:20:00 -
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I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid of mentally unstabile people who own guns who just got fired from their job or who feel a need to take out revenge on their school.
There is no need for a civilian to own a semi automatic rifle or sub machine gun.
Caveo of Minmatar , torva vacuus regimen of deus es plurrimi periculosus of bestia
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Neermark
JotunHeim Hird X13 Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:24:00 -
[44]
Edited by: Neermark on 10/10/2008 15:24:05

Just had to post this in a gun thread :)
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:49:00 -
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Originally by: Herschel Yamamoto but you're not trying to kill them for killing's sake.
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RFID
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Posted - 2008.10.10 17:48:00 -
[46]
Quote:
The reason I was looking it up is because I had heard of a story similar in that a farmer had been robbed 8 times in one week (yes twice in one day according to the story). He bought a shotgun, got all the licenses he needed and shot a robber the next time they came around and it was he who was hauled off to jail.
When you see 'To Protect and To Serve' on the side of a police car, just remember, they are referring to criminals, not law-abiding citizens. |

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:37:00 -
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This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:45:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
This here sorta disce- discos- talk that bring out them yuropeans who say
"the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one."
I think you is wrong, pardner.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
This here sorta disce- discos- talk that bring out them yuropeans who say
"the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one."
I think you is wrong, pardner.
So in America, you state more people use Kinves to kill then to eat their dinner with?
Considering 150 million meals a day are eaten in the USA, for the sake argument 100million of them involving a knife for preperation/eating. That means you have over 100 million knife kills per day.
WOW
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Raymond Sterns
Utopian Research I.E.L. The ENTITY.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 18:52:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: Raymond Sterns
Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
This here sorta disce- discos- talk that bring out them yuropeans who say
"the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one."
I think you is wrong, pardner.
So in America, you state more people use Kinves to kill then to eat their dinner with?
Considering 150 million meals a day are eaten in the USA, for the sake argument 100million of them involving a knife for preperation/eating. That means you have over 100 million knife kills per day.
WOW
SKUNK
LIEK O I DUNNO
SARCASM* MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?
*I highlighted and underlined the important parts. |
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:34:00 -
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Originally by: Neermark Edited by: Neermark on 10/10/2008 15:24:05

Just had to post this in a gun thread :)
Not funny in the slightest, and I'd be ashamed of myself . __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
Funny that I have a number of knives that are not for eating...makes you wonder why the UK government are so down on knves at the moment...oh wait its because of all the fecking stabbings...
The primary use of a knive is to cut/stab things, be it food/packaging/random person. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:08:00 -
[53]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/10/2008 20:08:02
Quote:
So in America, you state more people use Kinves to kill then to eat their dinner with?
Considering 150 million meals a day are eaten in the USA, for the sake argument 100million of them involving a knife for preperation/eating. That means you have over 100 million knife kills per day.
WOW
SKUNK
LIEK O I DUNNO
SARCASM MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU?
*I highlighted and underlined the important parts.
I also underlined the important parts for you
SKUNK |

Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:16:00 -
[54]
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
Funny that I have a number of knives that are not for eating...makes you wonder why the UK government are so down on knves at the moment...oh wait its because of all the fecking stabbings...
The primary use of a knive is to cut/stab things, be it food/packaging/random person.
Dont be silly.
200 Murders with knives in uk per year. 15 billion meals eaten with knives in uk per year
The primary function of a knife is in food preparation and consumption.
And as for the knives you have, well arent you a hard nut with your penknife ( you got on a school exchange trip to belgium) and your samuri sword mounted on the wall (8 installments of 55 pounds)
SKUNK
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nahtoh
Caldari StrikerCorp Dark Trinity Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:49:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk
Originally by: nahtoh
Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
Funny that I have a number of knives that are not for eating...makes you wonder why the UK government are so down on knves at the moment...oh wait its because of all the fecking stabbings...
The primary use of a knive is to cut/stab things, be it food/packaging/random person.
Dont be silly.
200 Murders with knives in uk per year. 15 billion meals eaten with knives in uk per year
The primary function of a knife is in food preparation and consumption.
And as for the knives you have, well arent you a hard nut with your penknife ( you got on a school exchange trip to belgium) and your samuri sword mounted on the wall (8 installments of 55 pounds)
SKUNK
You really are a ******* scraping...I will repeat for the hard of thinking <thats you since you really do seem to have comprehension issues>, the primary function of any knife is cutting what the user at that time wants to cut. Nothing more nothing less. The long history of the use bladed weapons does seem to escape you.
Not to mention the goverment run campain to reduce knife crime in the UK (which if I am not mistaken you are also from) which also seems to pass you by. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self |

Ademaro Imre
Caldari Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.10 20:56:00 -
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Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
What would you say about automobiles? Their primary function to for transportation. Yet - they kill more people than guns do, and kill more pedestrians than guns do. If a tool should be banned because of its intent, what about products doign things they never were intended to do?
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Sokratesz
Rionnag Alba Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 21:10:00 -
[57]
not this again
guns are fine, people aren't |

mamolian
Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:35:00 -
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Edited by: mamolian on 10/10/2008 22:35:09 Fat arse soccer moms with assault rifles.. ****ing christ.. / \ -----------

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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 22:56:00 -
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Originally by: Ademaro Imre
Originally by: Le Skunk This sort of discussion always bring out theyanks who say
"IT AINT THE GUNS THAT DO THE KILLIN.. ITS THE PEOPLE WHO HOLD THE GUNS! *gurn* YOU WOULDNT BAN KNIVES BECAUSE PEOPLE GET STABBED NOW WOULD YA *smug look on pee brained face*"
No you wouldnt. Because the primary function of a knife is to cut food, wood, packaging. As a by product, yes humans can be killed with one.
The primary function of a gun however, is to kill a live being. As a by product you can store them in your basement in case aliens come to get you and thats about it.
Note the difference here.
SKUNK
What would you say about automobiles? Their primary function to for transportation. Yet - they kill more people than guns do, and kill more pedestrians than guns do. If a tool should be banned because of its intent, what about products doign things they never were intended to do?
Well we were talking about what the actual purpose of the implement was for (killing live beings in the case of the gun - eating your dinner in the case of a knife) but we will run with your point.
Firstly your wrong, guns kill more people yearly then pedestrians in the USA.
Over 10k gun related homicides, under 5k pedestrians killed by automobiles
So lets expand your stated "pedestrians" to include everyone who died in any way related to an automobile, including drivers, passengers, cyclists, etc - and we get 40k deaths.
THATS for over 2,965 BILLION miles of travel
40k ACCIDENTAL deaths as a side effect of 2965 BILLION miles of transport which is vital to the success of the nation is (whilst individualy tragic) not a lot.
For each of those deaths food will have been transported (sustaining life) engineer will have been transported (repairing essential facilities sustaining ife) ambulances will have rushed heart attack patients to hospital (over 40k ambulances in usa saving life), fire engines put out fires. People will have gone to work, put bread on the table, families will have met, joy will have been spread and babies made.
So weighing up the benefits-costs of the automobile, its clear comparing them to guns is ridiculous.
SKUNK
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:05:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/10/2008 23:07:37 Edited by: Le Skunk on 10/10/2008 23:05:37
Originally by: nahtoh
You really are a ******* scraping...I will repeat for the hard of thinking <thats you since you really do seem to have comprehension issues>, the primary function of any knife is cutting what the user at that time wants to cut. Nothing more nothing less. The long history of the use bladed weapons does seem to escape you.
Not to mention the goverment run campain to reduce knife crime in the UK (which if I am not mistaken you are also from) which also seems to pass you by.
I did tell you to stop being silly.
The primary use of a book is to store and/or pass knowledge. As a secondary function it can be used to bash someone head in if its heavy enough. This is very rare.
The primary function of a knife is to be used in the preparation and consumption of food. As a secondary function it can be used to kill. This is very rare.
ONE BILLION TIMES LESS LIKELY TO BE USED TO KILL THEM TO CUT A LOAF OF BREAD
The primary function of a gun is to kill. As a secondary function you can blow your OWN brains out with it
Its not an unknown side effect. They didn't build guns to hold down paperwork in windy situations and occasionally someone gets shot by it accidentally. Its the whole purpose of the damn thing!
SKUNK
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