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Darius III
Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.
1313
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:22:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:
Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.
Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.
This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.
I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security
CCP has rededicated themselves to improving Eve and are by and large doing a terrific job at it. My personal faith in them is largely restored. I think the coming changes will revitalize Eve and bring joy to the masses. |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
639
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:38:00 -
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no i choose to believe that CCP Sreegs will place loyalty to a video game guild over his job and indeed his career as an IT security professional |
Jita Alt666
980
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:46:00 -
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Does this mean Trader John will finally be in a position to join PL?
Probably Not. |
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
441
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:50:00 -
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RMT tears sweetest tears.
rembourcer ou vous ne pourez plus miner en paix !!-ánous n'aimons pas les pirate !!-áno rembource mi declare war for you |
Woo Glin
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
514
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:04:00 -
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I'd kill myself if I ever got my wallet set negative.
Your move, CCP. |
Bloutok
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:06:00 -
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If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
640
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:12:00 -
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Bloutok wrote:If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game.
:TWISTED : |
Bloutok
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:23:00 -
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Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Bloutok wrote:If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game. :TWISTED :
You imply that he never ever met anyone and made RL friends.
For having a bunch of friends IRL who are professionals in domains where you are supposed not to talk about things, i can tell you that you are wrong if you think it makes them not human to the point where they never ever talk about anything they should not.
Starting with my mother who was a nurse in a psychiatric wing. You'd be surprised who ends up there sometimes........
For the records, i am 110% for the bans. My problem is that Goons and others seem to have been hit very little. Like no one, not even scrub#42 got hit. Like all the immoral people were in PL. But no one else. |
Kaivar Lancer
General Exports
191
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:33:00 -
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15T isk is worth at least $400k
hahahahahahaaa... |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:36:00 -
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Darius III wrote:Lapine Davion wrote:
Dude. Didn't you watch the Security Panel from FF? Sreegs literally talked about this whole thing. Or maybe it was the economy panel. Either way, it was talked about.
Now that Sreegs on onboard with this, I trust that he will do the right thing. I'm p. sure the guy isn't going to play favorites or anything, either, as some people in this thread have accused him of doing.
This guy does this for a living. He hunts down botters and RMTers and everything to put food on the table for his kids (if he has them). He's not going to risk his job by only going after certain groups.
I have said bad things about the guy before to stir up the tinfoil crowd, but my true opinion of his is that he is 110% legit. GO GO Team Security
But he is a goonie and teh gooniez are bad people and you haet them. Right? |
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:37:00 -
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Bloutok wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Bloutok wrote:If Sreeg is coming out of Goons. Maybe now he does not favor anyone, but i can hardly believe he did not warn anyone before he placed his system up and thus favoring some people who will never lose what RMT they had time to do..... . Yeah I'm sure he was all over risking his livelihood and career, and the wellbeing of his wife and kids, to make sure some guys he knows from the internet have a leg up in a spaceship video game. :TWISTED : You imply that he never ever met anyone and made RL friends. For having a bunch of friends IRL who are professionals in domains where you are supposed not to talk about things, i can tell you that you are wrong if you think it makes them not human to the point where they never ever talk about anything they should not. Starting with my mother who was a nurse in a psychiatric wing. You'd be surprised who ends up there sometimes........ For the records, i am 110% for the bans. My problem is that Goons and others seem to have been hit very little. Like no one, not even scrub#42 got hit. Like all the immoral people were in PL. But no one else.
FWIW, Test got hit p. hard. |
Bloutok
Murientor Tribe Defiant Legacy
3
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:45:00 -
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I actually intended to try to flame a bit, but it's sooo not me hahahaha.
No, i do not hate goons or PL, or any of those mega alliances/corps. Or else, i hate them all.
The RMT and some other problems of that nature. Would it only be one single player with 6 bots mining in an high sec island between low sec systems only, I saw one of those yesterday. Affect the game directly. And i really find it weird that the RMT is not randomly distributed, like it's all bunched up within a few groups, one being targeted by the mob.
So, again, How come the result of the bans are not random all across Eve population ? Or, is it that scrub#42 does not register a bleep on any radar ? |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1376
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:10:00 -
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Those gate camps, the ones that keep people put of 0.0... you can imagine how people can do that all the time.
Just like work?
Because there's money in it.
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Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
84
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:22:00 -
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Bloutok wrote:I actually intended to try to flame a bit, but it's sooo not me hahahaha.
No, i do not hate goons or PL, or any of those mega alliances/corps. Or else, i hate them all.
The RMT and some other problems of that nature. Would it only be one single player with 6 bots mining in an high sec island between low sec systems only, I saw one of those yesterday. Affect the game directly. And i really find it weird that the RMT is not randomly distributed, like it's all bunched up within a few groups, one being targeted by the mob.
So, again, How come the result of the bans are not random all across Eve population ? Or, is it that scrub#42 does not register a bleep on any radar ?
CCP did say that they cannot say anything about evidence or how it is found out. Only that only a few were proven erroneous. Most likely it is a matter of papertrail Not every botter is a RMT. Alot bot to earn extra income to feed to a pvp character or pay for alliance goods. Like any investigation, it takes time to follow the clues. The most major ones would be the easiest to find and prove. Quite possibly PL might be the first ones because they are/were the most seriously active group in eve right now involved in rmt. Smaller source tradings will take longer and be harder to prove or follow. I am sure we will see them or if they have happened, somebody hit for -500m probably isn't going to say anything. |
Tiger Pennies
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:51:00 -
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CCP Sreegs wrote:Aranakas wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I got banned during Unholy Rage even though my account was expired at the time, but hey I got it unbanned quick enough so nbd. This sort of thing is worrying to me. I put a lot of effort into EVE and if I got banned by some script for suspicious behavior like donating isk to IRL friends, I'd be pretty pissed off. I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :)
What are you paid by the minute to be a moron? It did happen and you dropped the ball. Look it up MORON!
Customers of this game should be able to know if their work is safe from morons, if they don't they should get their money back.
If you don't like what CCP is doing, or in this case not doing, vote with your wallet.
They don't care anyways, with their elitist attitude that we are just numbers and bank accounts and not actual people. Enjoy your bag of dicks CCP, that's what you want playing the game. |
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
117
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:55:00 -
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Tiger Pennies wrote:CCP Sreegs wrote:Aranakas wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:I got banned during Unholy Rage even though my account was expired at the time, but hey I got it unbanned quick enough so nbd. This sort of thing is worrying to me. I put a lot of effort into EVE and if I got banned by some script for suspicious behavior like donating isk to IRL friends, I'd be pretty pissed off. I'd recommend saving the worrying for if something actually happens. :) What are you paid by the minute to be a moron? It did happen and you dropped the ball. Look it up MORON! Customers of this game should be able to know if their work is safe from morons, if they don't they should get their money back. If you don't like what CCP is doing, or in this case not doing, vote with your wallet. They don't care anyways, with their elitist attitude that we are just numbers and bank accounts and not actual people. Enjoy your bag of dicks CCP, that's what you want playing the game. c ya later Tiger P*nis |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:05:00 -
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I have between 10 and 16 active characters on 6 to 8 accts at any one time. It's been like this for years.
I have been moving billions per week between characters for just as long and not once has CCP stepped in and banned any of these accts.
I believe that any accts they are banning now are suffering with good reason. I'd be extremely confident in saying that CCP has less than a 5% error rate from what I've seen over the years. Sure it's going to happen that someone gets dinged that doesn't deserve it, but I think CCP does a pretty good job of getting it sorted based on what I've seen posted in the forums for the last 6 years or so.
Mr Epeen Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Thabiso
Merchants of the Golden Goose
4
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:09:00 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:I have between 10 and 16 active characters on 6 to 8 accts at any one time. It's been like this for years. I have been moving billions per week between characters for just as long and not once has CCP stepped in and banned any of these accts. I believe that any accts they are banning now are suffering with good reason. I'd be extremely confident in saying that CCP has less than a 5% error rate from what I've seen over the years. Sure it's going to happen that someone gets dinged that doesn't deserve it, but I think CCP does a pretty good job of getting it sorted based on what I've seen posted in the forums for the last 6 years or so. Mr Epeen You make 5% sound like nothing. Numbers around the block is they have 300.000 active accounts - 5% is 15.000; so they damned better be near 0.0007% error rate. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
1129
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:14:00 -
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Thabiso wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I have between 10 and 16 active characters on 6 to 8 accts at any one time. It's been like this for years. I have been moving billions per week between characters for just as long and not once has CCP stepped in and banned any of these accts. I believe that any accts they are banning now are suffering with good reason. I'd be extremely confident in saying that CCP has less than a 5% error rate from what I've seen over the years. Sure it's going to happen that someone gets dinged that doesn't deserve it, but I think CCP does a pretty good job of getting it sorted based on what I've seen posted in the forums for the last 6 years or so. Mr Epeen You make 5% sound like nothing. Numbers around the block is they have 300.000 active accounts - 5% is 15.000; so they damned better be near 0.0007% error rate.
Kinda dumb aren't you.
Try to figure out where you are totally out in left field with that statement. Here's a hint. It's not 5% of the entire player base. Unless you feel that is how many RMT.
Mr Epeen
Me too!-á I ate one sour, too! |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
132
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:17:00 -
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Tiger Pennies wrote:What are you paid by the minute to be a moron? It did happen and you dropped the ball. Look it up MORON!
Customers of this game should be able to know if their work is safe from morons, if they don't they should get their money back.
If you don't like what CCP is doing, or in this case not doing, vote with your wallet.
They don't care anyways, with their elitist attitude that we are just numbers and bank accounts and not actual people. Enjoy your bag of dicks CCP, that's what you want playing the game.
pro-tip: don't try to rail against anybody with a "CCP" tag "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
1410
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:18:00 -
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Thabiso wrote:Mr Epeen wrote:I have between 10 and 16 active characters on 6 to 8 accts at any one time. It's been like this for years. I have been moving billions per week between characters for just as long and not once has CCP stepped in and banned any of these accts. I believe that any accts they are banning now are suffering with good reason. I'd be extremely confident in saying that CCP has less than a 5% error rate from what I've seen over the years. Sure it's going to happen that someone gets dinged that doesn't deserve it, but I think CCP does a pretty good job of getting it sorted based on what I've seen posted in the forums for the last 6 years or so. Mr Epeen You make 5% sound like nothing. Numbers around the block is they have 300.000 active accounts - 5% is 15.000; so they damned better be near 0.0007% error rate.
5% of the accounts nailed for RMT or botting, not the whole population, and I'd say it's pretty certain the number is far below that.
I wouldn't worry about who has and who has not been nailed yet, I'm sure there are many more to come in the near future.
I also wouldn't worry about false positives, they've had one (possibly two) people dinged because of a glitch since this started a couple of years ago... unless you are involved in RMT of course.
Then you should worry... alot. When I check troll in the dictionary, it has a photo shopped picture of you standing somewhere in the vicinity of a point.
Also, I can kill you with my brain. |
Ildryn
X Inc.
34
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:29:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote:Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:Pallidum Treponema wrote:I don't think it's fair to throw around accusations of RMT right now. All we know is that we cannot access the API for the wallet char. Until we've spoken to Shamis, we don't know what happened.
For all we know, this could have perfectly reasonable explanations. okay I can't wait to hear them The best explainations we have right now is that the account either ran out of subscription, or that it was flagged for doing a lot of ISK transactions to people, IE ship reimbursements, titan purchases etc.There's a lot of ugly rumors going around, suggesting for instance that we bought 15T isk from RMT. That's just ridiculous. Why would we buy that much ISK with the amount of tech and supercaps we sell? Until we know what's happened, any accusations of RMT are completely unfounded.
Bwahahaha hahahah OMG OMG hahahahahaha
Change that last word to founded.
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Tiger Pennies
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:49:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Tiger Pennies wrote:What are you paid by the minute to be a moron? It did happen and you dropped the ball. Look it up MORON!
Customers of this game should be able to know if their work is safe from morons, if they don't they should get their money back.
If you don't like what CCP is doing, or in this case not doing, vote with your wallet.
They don't care anyways, with their elitist attitude that we are just numbers and bank accounts and not actual people. Enjoy your bag of dicks CCP, that's what you want playing the game. pro-tip: don't try to rail against anybody with a "CCP" tag
Really? And what is that big bad meanie CCP gonna do? They already ban people for no reason, so I might as well give them one.
O and if it gets me to a quicker solution with my bank, charging back these fraudulent bastards after their bullshit will not only be justified, but feel good.
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Wyke Mossari
Staner Industries
175
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:52:00 -
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CCP Sreegs said at fanfest, that appeals had so far only identified One false positive.
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Francisco Bizzaro
8
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:53:00 -
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Thabiso wrote: You make 5% sound like nothing. Numbers around the block is they have 300.000 active accounts - 5% is 15.000; so they damned better be near 0.0007% error rate.
For a company that pays its bills based on subscriptions, there is a *really* strong incentive not to chase away innocent subscribers [Hint: it has to do with the subscriptions]
One of the reasons botting is the problem that it is is that its much better for them to err on the side of false negatives than false positives. I'd guess that the True Innocents who were banned and not able to successfully argue for their right to continue to give CCP money numbers in the handful. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:56:00 -
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Lapine Davion wrote:But he is a goonie and teh gooniez are bad people and you haet them. Right? Pubbie haet goonie.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
386
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Posted - 2012.04.01 07:59:00 -
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Pallidum Treponema wrote: The best explainations we have right now is that the account either ran out of subscription, or that it was flagged for doing a lot of ISK transactions to people, IE ship reimbursements, titan purchases etc.
There's a lot of ugly rumors going around, suggesting for instance that we bought 15T isk from RMT. That's just ridiculous. Why would we buy that much ISK with the amount of tech and supercaps we sell?
Yes, that does seem to make sense, actually. Unless you're like certain alliances who had tech and RMTed the isk from selling plex.
That said, 15T isk would buy you enough titans to give everyone two reships or something, it's a little insane.
What were Riverini's leaked intel numbers on the number of Titans PL has/had? Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Chokichi Ozuwara
Lucky Dragon Convenience
72
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:04:00 -
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Not to defend Goons, but aren't their finances transparent?
Wouldn't that make it harder for them to RMT? Tears will be shed and pants will need to be changed all round. |
XIRUSPHERE
In Bacon We Trust
197
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:05:00 -
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I love all the cries of ship reimbursement or alliance level wallets being exempt from taint because they are dealing with large volumes of people. Simple fact is that is the most probable shell for attempting to launder dirty isk or hide transactions. If CCP were going to drop nukes like this they have more than likely done their homework and followed the dirty money.
Good riddance to all the scum and keep up the good work CCP, here's one person who isn't surprised that a institution that caters to carebears who want zero risk also caters to individuals who aren't interested in the games integrity. The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times.
One will rarely err if extreme actions be ascribed to vanity, ordinary actions to habit, and mean actions to fear. |
Thodoros
Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance
10
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Posted - 2012.04.01 08:09:00 -
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Tiger Pennies wrote:Richard Desturned wrote:Tiger Pennies wrote:What are you paid by the minute to be a moron? It did happen and you dropped the ball. Look it up MORON!
Customers of this game should be able to know if their work is safe from morons, if they don't they should get their money back.
If you don't like what CCP is doing, or in this case not doing, vote with your wallet.
They don't care anyways, with their elitist attitude that we are just numbers and bank accounts and not actual people. Enjoy your bag of dicks CCP, that's what you want playing the game. pro-tip: don't try to rail against anybody with a "CCP" tag Really? And what is that big bad meanie CCP gonna do? They already ban people for no reason, so I might as well give them one. O and if it gets me to a quicker solution with my bank, charging back these fraudulent bastards after their bullshit will not only be justified, but feel good.
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