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Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:33:00 -
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hi guys :-)
ok before i begin, this is not a whine/QQ or whatever you want to call it! ..i would just like some answers from someone at CCP as my petition is still...un answered! ... i know its a long shot :(
ok i started playing eve along time ago, then i quit for about 18 months & about 1 week ago i decided to give it another go.
Because I hadnt played for so long there was many things I forgot & many things that are new, therefore I created a new account to start fresh all over. I also decided to renew the subs on my old account so i could transfer items & isk as i knew my old account was quite wealthy as just before i left 18 months ago I sold a raven & also the fact that a friend who also played eve gave me alot of ISK as he was leaving.. so i knew i had plenty of ISK (or so i thought).
Now this is where it all starts! .... I renewed the subs for my old aco****, logged on & BANG! noticed my isk was - (yes minus!) 37 million ISK! i found this hard to believe as ive already explained, i knew i had alot of ISK on this account. So then i decided sod it, i will just sell my items thats on this char & transfer the ISK made from the sales to my new account... BANG! another brickwall, cant sell anyhting because i need funds to sell! ...at this point im getting annoyed :s ....so thought i will do some missions to get my -37million back into the posotive, now remember i aint played for a long time so it wasnt long until my ship was getting hammered & i needed to repair! needless to say, i couldnt repair because i had no funds & i had no repair items! ..so at this point i was well & truly stuck. I couldnt sell/repair so in turn i couldnt do any missions as my ship(s) were hammered. Excuse the language guys, but ****ed off is an understatement.
I asked on the help channel & explained my prob briefly, people said the only way you can get minus isk is if someone from CCP did it ? ..i asked why they would do it, someone said if i bought isk (illegally etc) then they would deduct it from my account, which i thought was fair enough, but the thing is, i have NEVER bought any isk illegally, I play mmorpgs for the fun & the satisfaction of achieving things & building my char up. I have never & will never buy in-game money...ive played many mmorpgs over the years & not once have i bought game money from 3rd parties.
Yes i had alot of isk on my account when i say alot it wasnt billions but a good part of 800mil to what i remember.
So, why did someone from CCP deduct ALL my isk to put me -37million in debt & in turn completely screw up my character which i had paid subs for months to get him where he was!
In the end i managed to get my -37mill debt sorted by selling a Drake via trade & ive now decided to continue playing my old char which im glad to say is back on the up. But that still dont change the fact that ive been screwed over for no reason whatsoever. Ive sent a petition which has been there for 7 days now with no reply & i will be suprised if they ever do reply.
But i think its wrong that ive been treated this way as i pay my subs just like anyone else & i have done NOTHING against the T&C's yet my character was stripped of millions.
Im hoping maybe someone from CCP would be kind enough to at least reply here or to my petition, but im not holding my breath as it wouldnt suprise me if they have looked at my petition & just ignored it because they knew they made a balls up :(
Anywayz, see you in game guys ...had to vent it off somewhere & i just hope this happens to no one else :(
Erazar
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Wizzkidy
G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:36:00 -
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Depends where you got the original ISK, if you got it from a friend he could of bought it, or maybe someone bought some stuff off you with bought ISK, its hard to narrow down why they took it but it WILL be because it was BOUGHT isk. its really the only reason they take it away.
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:37:00 -
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This happens all the time.... to people who buy ISK. Sounds like bought ISK removal to me. |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:39:00 -
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your 'friend' bought the isk |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:39:00 -
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CCP have hardly made any mistakes in the taking of isk .. it is most likely the isk you have been "givin" to you from your friend was purchased isk or yourself have purchased isk. You can come here and say that you never have done or they never have done but this is a forum and so there isnt a lie dector kit lying around. The last person who pushed the issue saying he never brought isk from completely annihilated on the forums by devs.
just be lucky they are not banning the account of isk buyers which i believe they should do until proven inncoent. It clearly states that it is a infringement against the game
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jagoff
Cosmic Cakes
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:39:00 -
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did you petition it? if CCP took the money out then they should have a record of why that was done. |
Another Forum'Alt
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:39:00 -
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CCP have removed isk before by mistake. Try petitioning it. |
Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:41:00 -
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Then thats absolutely rediculous. How are players meant to know that the ISK (or even some of the ISK) they have has been bought illegally?
Say i was to sell something, i did it by trade or contract... thr player who bought it off me bought ISK illegally, that means i would end up with illegal ISK, but how the heck am i meant to know?
If this is the case then chance are 50% of the playerbase probably has in there posession some illegal ISK without even knowing!
Punishing the legitamate players form something that they have no control over is the wrong way to deal with this problem of illegal ISK.
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Sidus Isaacs
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:44:00 -
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Originally by: Erazar Then thats absolutely rediculous. How are players meant to know that the ISK (or even some of the ISK) they have has been bought illegally?
Say i was to sell something, i did it by trade or contract... thr player who bought it off me bought ISK illegally, that means i would end up with illegal ISK, but how the heck am i meant to know?
If this is the case then chance are 50% of the playerbase probably has in there posession some illegal ISK without even knowing!
Punishing the legitamate players form something that they have no control over is the wrong way to deal with this problem of illegal ISK.
Petition it, don't whine on the forums. Chanses are you have been involved in something that brakes teh EULA. Though it up and be gald you still have your account. |
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GM Faolchu
Game Masters
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:44:00 -
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Just to reply to this in public as some people may attach the stigma of "You bought isk" to you. Looking into this it appears a reimbursement of a ship prior to your account being deactivated caused your wallet to be put in the red. I will update your petition with that information. |
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Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:46:00 -
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Originally by: Armoured C CCP have hardly made any mistakes in the taking of isk .. it is most likely the isk you have been "givin" to you from your friend was purchased isk or yourself have purchased isk. You can come here and say that you never have done or they never have done but this is a forum and so there isnt a lie dector kit lying around. The last person who pushed the issue saying he never brought isk from completely annihilated on the forums by devs.
just be lucky they are not banning the account of isk buyers which i believe they should do until proven inncoent. It clearly states that it is a infringement against the game
I would love the devs to make a comment on this topic, as i KNOW i did NOT buy any ISK, *if* i did, then i would hold my hands up & i would not be dumb enough to make this topic. If my friend did buy it, how the heck was i supposed to know?
I agree, ALL isk buyers accounts should be banned. But how are we meant to know we are recieving bought ISK either through trade/contract/selling etc?
So if someone offers me some ISK to help me out & it turns out to be bought ISK... again i will have ISK stripped off my account, or if i sell something & the isk the player used to pay me bought the isk, i will get my isk stripped? ..How are we maent to know the ISK is bought, only the devs know this info, as i said, I agree 100% ban the account it was bought on, not punish a legitmate player who had no idea the isk was bought. |
Armoured C
Gallente Federation of Freedom Fighters Executive Outcomes
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:47:00 -
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Edited by: Armoured C on 10/10/2008 15:49:29
Originally by: GM Faolchu Just to reply to this in public as some people may attach the stigma of "You bought isk" to you. Looking into this it appears a reimbursement of a ship prior to your account being deactivated caused your wallet to be put in the red. I will update your petition with that information.
tis a red bar ... read and digest... mmm creme cakes
and edit: the origional isk purchase and trade of the person origionally buying the isk is the people i mean to get banned ( i can see how it got lost in translation)
obvisouly if you have been givin isk from another charater you have no idea but the payment from ffhgfoinfdg to x where both should be banned ( and i mean IP banned so that the isk farmers cant get back on to the system |
RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:48:00 -
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see above comment by GM |
Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:48:00 -
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Originally by: GM Faolchu Just to reply to this in public as some people may attach the stigma of "You bought isk" to you. Looking into this it appears a reimbursement of a ship prior to your account being deactivated caused your wallet to be put in the red. I will update your petition with that information.
Thankyou so much Faolchu,
much appreciated :)
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Rudy Metallo
The Bastards
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:49:00 -
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Everyone who didn't believe him has just been pwnt royally. |
Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:51:00 -
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Edited by: Anti Protagonist on 10/10/2008 15:54:02
Originally by: Erazar Then thats absolutely rediculous. How are players meant to know that the ISK (or even some of the ISK) they have has been bought illegally?
Say i was to sell something, i did it by trade or contract... thr player who bought it off me bought ISK illegally, that means i would end up with illegal ISK, but how the heck am i meant to know?
If this is the case then chance are 50% of the playerbase probably has in there posession some illegal ISK without even knowing!
Punishing the legitamate players form something that they have no control over is the wrong way to deal with this problem of illegal ISK.
I'd say stick to what happened and don't expand to things that "might" happen. If someone bought something from you off the market, and the transaction was not obviously a cover (i.e. they didn't buy a missile for 1,000,000,000 isk) then they'd be short the money, not you. Similar with contracts.
Wallets go negative because of a number of things. Most often ISK buying and because it was a direct ISK trade (not someone buying something from you through the market or contracts) you may have gotten hit by someone else's bought ISK. Wallets can go negative for other reasons as well, such as GMs taking back insurance from a reimbursed ship.
Edit: And the GM responds as I type. |
Nova Fox
Gallente Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:55:00 -
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Shouldnt this be logged in the wallet under something Like Secure Ship Insurance Refund(losing insurance pay due to recovered ship)? or Concord confisation (isk buying) |
Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:57:00 -
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aye thanks for info guys (& to those who didnt believe me, troll elsewhere!)
I was just so damn annoyed at the time because i was looking forward to starting playing again only to be hit by this as soon i logged in took me about 4 days to actually start making progress on my char! :(
Like i say though, my char is back on the mend now, I just wanted an answer as to why it happened, hopefully i will get a response now via my petition thanks to the GM :)
Feel free to close/lock this thread as this topic had done its purpose :) |
Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Nova Fox Shouldnt this be logged in the wallet under something Like Secure Ship Insurance Refund(losing insurance pay due to recovered ship)? or Concord confisation (isk buying)
aye i tried that, but nothing at all showed up for transactions in my wallet log. Maybe because the account was inactive for so long :(
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Anti Protagonist
Hiro Trade and Logistics
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Posted - 2008.10.10 15:59:00 -
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Originally by: Erazar aye thanks for info guys (& to those who didnt believe me, troll elsewhere!)
I was just so damn annoyed at the time because i was looking forward to starting playing again only to be hit by this as soon i logged in took me about 4 days to actually start making progress on my char! :(
Like i say though, my char is back on the mend now, I just wanted an answer as to why it happened, hopefully i will get a response now via my petition thanks to the GM :)
Feel free to close/lock this thread as this topic had done its purpose :)
Well, if they took back 800m in insurance, then you should have a ship (somewhere) worth more around 800m to either enjoy or sell off and enjoy the cash on, so you should be fairly well set for your return to EVE.
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Erazar
Caldari Imperii Fortuna
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:04:00 -
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all i remember before i quit was selling a Raven, the only ships i had when i looked when i renewed my subs was 2x drakes & a cruiser & a badger plus a couple of shuttles.
Infact coming to think of it, i dont know why i had 2x drakes as i knew i had 1 because it was all fitted & i remember doing L3's in it, but the other seemed like an insurance job because it was at a station middle of no where & had no fittings? which is strange because i only ever had 1 drake & like i say thats the one i still have & was all fitted! ..ah well hopefully some light will shine soon :)
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DubanFP
Caldari Kylia Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.10 16:05:00 -
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Originally by: Rudy Metallo Everyone who didn't believe him has just been pwnt royally.
Do you have any idea how often isk buyers get busted and claim not to have bought isk on the forums only to have a Dev or other CCP member show up and obliterate them? It's not like it's something new. This is the first time I know of that the op actually WAS telling the truth. _______________
"Cheap" and "Lame" are words created by people who refuse to admit they have been completely and utterly outclassed. |
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