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Kiarah
Gallente Janus Pilot Corps
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Posted - 2008.10.10 23:13:00 -
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Why did you even have a live dev blog if you've changed nothing from the original written one?
Just regurgitating your original positions was an unhelpful waste of our time and intelligence.
The worst offender? Nozh's brushing off the question on the future of roaming gangs. "It was fine in 2004..." Please don't treat your playerbase like little kids. The game is NOTHING like it was in 2004. Anchorable Bubbles, bombers, dictors, heavy dictors, recons, all have an effect on a actually thought out answer to this question. You have an intelligent playerbase, and we should be able to expect intelligent answers, at least when you give a dev blog purporting to answer questions.
All in all I feel like a simple forum post saying "The whole speed nerf is still as planned, no we didn't listen to any players, look for it on Sisi soon(TM)." would have been equally informative and WAY less time wasting. All very frustrating TBH. |
Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.11 03:31:00 -
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Originally by: Kiarah Why did you even have a live dev blog if you've changed nothing from the original written one?
Just regurgitating your original positions was an unhelpful waste of our time and intelligence.
The worst offender? Nozh's brushing off the question on the future of roaming gangs. "It was fine in 2004..." Please don't treat your playerbase like little kids. The game is NOTHING like it was in 2004. Anchorable Bubbles, bombers, dictors, heavy dictors, recons, all have an effect on a actually thought out answer to this question. You have an intelligent playerbase, and we should be able to expect intelligent answers, at least when you give a dev blog purporting to answer questions.
All in all I feel like a simple forum post saying "The whole speed nerf is still as planned, no we didn't listen to any players, look for it on Sisi soon(TM)." would have been equally informative and WAY less time wasting. All very frustrating TBH.
Quoted for truth.
They didn't discuss really anything significant. No mention of blasters, and how they discussed roaming gangs was ... pretty much fail. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) Pirate Coalition (Yar?) |
DFox31
North Eastern Swat Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.11 09:43:00 -
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At what time did they talk about roaming?
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RedSplat
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Posted - 2008.10.11 09:53:00 -
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Originally by: Kiarah Why did you even have a live dev blog if you've changed nothing from the original written one?
Aparently Devs dont actually pvp. Get ready for caldari online, hope you like blobs.
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Cornette
Gallente Black Screen of Death HUZZAH FEDERATION
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Posted - 2008.10.11 11:12:00 -
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So are CCP Devs really that ignorant about how the PVP part of the game works? Or do they really want to turn the clock back to 2004 because everything seemed so much better then? Yea right....
What I see is not just a nerfing of ludicrous speeds (which is needed IMO) but the breaking of other things without addressing them first. I can see how this is going to work out in the end if the changes go trough as they are now
Nor do I get how how this will improve variety in the game when it clearly will make blobbing work even better. High SP, good setups and experience will mean less then bringing numbers. So in the end it will be good for the big carebear alliances and those that want a much more static EVE.
Or in other words: what we see is just a big dumbing down of the game.
I'm sad, I really am
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.11 12:53:00 -
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have to say i was a bit shocked when i heared his answer about roaming gangs.
it actually feels like they have no idea what stuff they have given 0,0 alliances to stop roaming gangs already. this nano nerf will be a major buff for alliances defending space against small gangs
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:25:00 -
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Originally by: ArmyOfMe have to say i was a bit shocked when i heared his answer about roaming gangs.
it actually feels like they have no idea what stuff they have given 0,0 alliances to stop roaming gangs already. this nano nerf will be a major buff for alliances defending space against small gangs
Oh no! You mean someone might be able to defend thier turf and actually put it to use?
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Car Wars
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.11 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
Originally by: ArmyOfMe have to say i was a bit shocked when i heared his answer about roaming gangs.
it actually feels like they have no idea what stuff they have given 0,0 alliances to stop roaming gangs already. this nano nerf will be a major buff for alliances defending space against small gangs
Oh no! You mean someone might be able to defend thier turf and actually put it to use?
People cant do that now?
go away throll.
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:00:00 -
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Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 11/10/2008 14:00:50 lag, double post
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:01:00 -
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All I know is every time I go ratting in our alliance "controlled" space we get a "grab your recons, we've got a nano gang to chase off"
Sometimes we kill a few, sometimes we get most. More often then not we waste and hour. The ease of avoiding a fight, while still presenting a threat that nano gangs provide is well deserving of a nerf.
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:02:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass All I know is every time I go ratting in our alliance "controlled" space we get a "grab your recons, we've got a nano gang to chase off"
Sometimes we kill a few, sometimes we get most. More often then not we waste and hour. The ease of avoiding a fight, while still presenting a threat that nano gangs provide is well deserving of a nerf.
oh look, the troll is back.
heavens forbid that you actually have to defend your space rather then go ratting all the time
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:07:00 -
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Heaven forbid my work should show fruit.
Heaven forbid I disagree with the screaming masses.
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Solomon XI
Hoist The Colors. Pirate Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:12:00 -
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Please provide the name of your alliance and stop posting with your alt -- I want to know who you are so that we can come roam your space with a force recon heavy gang. Just for lawls, Jackass. =)
That being said.
I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the CCP Dev's are idiotic at best. ~Solo Hoist The Colors. (CEO) Pirate Coalition (Yar?) |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:25:00 -
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Originally by: Solomon XI Please provide the name of your alliance and stop posting with your alt -- I want to know who you are so that we can come roam your space with a force recon heavy gang. Just for lawls, Jackass. =)
That being said.
I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the CCP Dev's are idiotic at best.
bob
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Hul'ka
Minmatar MicroFunks
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Posted - 2008.10.11 14:49:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
bob
w8, you actually npcing while your corpm8s are MAXing the north? lolz --------- phew phew
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.11 15:07:00 -
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Originally by: Hul'ka
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass
bob
w8, you actually npcing while your corpm8s are MAXing the north? lolz
that would explain why he's posting with a alt then.
doubt he's even in a alliance seeing as he stated that he hides behind that alt so he wont be griefed
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
enymphia
Ore Mongers Black Hand.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 15:15:00 -
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In my opinion this will affect blaster boats even more than what it will do to the speedy ships, and ccp doesn't wanna listen to that.. Gallente is the new amarr and even worse what amarr was.
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Fullmetal isaJackass
Hide behind a alt corp
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Posted - 2008.10.11 15:36:00 -
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Edited by: Fullmetal isaJackass on 11/10/2008 15:36:31
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Heaven forbid my work should show fruit.
Heaven forbid I disagree with the screaming masses.
you all must forgive my alt, he seems to have lost his mind somewere.
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Miss KillSome
Caldari School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2008.10.11 16:47:00 -
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I agree.
CCP's stupidity began with drones nerf, continued with ECM BOOST, Then onto dampers nerf and so on.
And now they want to show us, that they still dont listen do their playerbase, they rather have their numbers ans graphs, but OMG, never log into game and try it by themselves.. ----- TCODA corporation is recruiting! TCODA is awesome! |
Arkady Sadik
Gradient Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.11 16:52:00 -
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Originally by: Kiarah Why did you even have a live dev blog if you've changed nothing from the original written one?
So you are saying that your logs of the live dev blog show nothing ???
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:01:00 -
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Originally by: Fullmetal isaJackass Edited by: Fullmetal isaJackass on 11/10/2008 15:36:31
Originally by: Fullmetal Jackass Heaven forbid my work should show fruit.
Heaven forbid I disagree with the screaming masses.
you all must forgive my alt, he seems to have lost his mind somewere.
SWEET!!! Now I's a fan club! You just made my day dude.
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Ineun
Minmatar House An'geles Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:18:00 -
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DONT FEED THE TROLL! :) ohai i is your resident Socialist... |
Trent Nichols
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:25:00 -
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What I got from the live dev blog was: "About us taking the time to use your pages and pages of well thought out comments and ideas after our last attempt to implement this horse crap... LOL PSYCH! "
CCP has held to their habit of major game spoiling changes where just a tweak would work for a while now and as the OP pointed out, there seems to be a disconnect between the way they see the game and the way it is.
Don,t be asking for my stuff, I,m not ready to give up on Eve just yet, at least not while there is still no other game like it. Still, with the exception of the server improvements my hope for the game fades with every new dev blog
Please please read the initial feedback threads CCP, there are far better solutions there than what you have come up with.
Logistics deployables mean less grind and more pewpew! |
Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:26:00 -
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Originally by: Miss KillSome I agree.
CCP's stupidity began with drones nerf, continued with ECM BOOST, Then onto dampers nerf and so on.
And now they want to show us, that they still dont listen do their playerbase, they rather have their numbers ans graphs, but OMG, never log into game and try it by themselves..
The majority is not always right. In fact I've found just the opposite to be true a large part of the time.
Here's a hint: If you'd like someone to listen to you, don't call them an idiot right off. Wait till you don't want anything from them.
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.11 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 11/10/2008 21:51:46 The troll seems to think this is real life or something... In a game the majority of players (yes those who play) will cease to play if the game becomes something they do not enjoy, thus the game is dead. I'll spare you the comparisons. No threats intended but if I go roaming and find nothing but drake gangs and RR BS I'll be quick to cancel my sub. I won't wait for the inevitable missile nerf and then the coresponding remote rep nerf.
What we are seeing in this case is a Dev with a personal agenda, a personal hatred of a play style. Perhaps he was ganked in a belt, or his giant blob of ratters failed to kill a single well organised group. There are many alternatives that will repair the extreme speed problem. They don't want to look at them because they spent 5 hours (oh good gods above) drawing up this nerf.
EvE is becoming nothing but a nerf/boost game. There is no reward for thinking of a clever setup. If you do you can be sure that it will be on the nerfing block the instant your lose mail hits a killboard and people copy it.
Those who are dying to nanos will be dying to RR BS as soon as this nerf is live. You think 20 RR BS are any less invincible than snaked up, gistii mwd, poly 2'd nano hacs?
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Fullmetal Jackass
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Posted - 2008.10.11 22:20:00 -
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Edited by: Fullmetal Jackass on 11/10/2008 22:21:30
Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn Edited by: Lysander Kaldenn on 11/10/2008 21:51:46 The troll seems to think this is real life or something... In a game the majority of players (yes those who play) will cease to play if the game becomes something they do not enjoy, thus the game is dead. I'll spare you the comparisons. No threats intended but if I go roaming and find nothing but drake gangs and RR BS I'll be quick to cancel my sub. I won't wait for the inevitable missile nerf and then the coresponding remote rep nerf.
What we are seeing in this case is a Dev with a personal agenda, a personal hatred of a play style. Perhaps he was ganked in a belt, or his giant blob of ratters failed to kill a single well organised group. There are many alternatives that will repair the extreme speed problem. They don't want to look at them because they spent 5 hours (oh good gods above) drawing up this nerf.
EvE is becoming nothing but a nerf/boost game. There is no reward for thinking of a clever setup. If you do you can be sure that it will be on the nerfing block the instant your lose mail hits a killboard and people copy it.
Those who are dying to nanos will be dying to RR BS as soon as this nerf is live. You think 20 RR BS are any less invincible than snaked up, gistii mwd, poly 2'd nano hacs?
I might be a complete assh0le but I'm really not a troll. I don't post JUST to **** people off. (why can I say shit but not p1ss?)
Personally I think the way all bonuses stack in this game causes some major issues. Yeah, they've been a little nerf happy lately but speed really is broken atm. I hate nano gangs, but I've abused the crap out of them as much as the next guy. It works. Too well. Are there other things broken or overpowered? Sure there are, but speed is the flavor of the month atm. I really don't think anyone has an agenda. I think ccp truely want's a balanced fun game, that will be around for a long time. That's one of the reasons I still play.
CCP runs the game better then it used to. Now at least I don't get the feeling they run the game just for thier own personal enjoyment, or that they completely back the old players and aliances. I hope they continue to improve.
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Strill
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Posted - 2008.10.12 00:05:00 -
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Originally by: DFox31 At what time did they talk about roaming?
They were asked how they thought the speed nerf would affect guerrilla warfare. They said that since it was fine before it'll be fine after.
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Lysander Kaldenn
Viper Intel Squad Sons of Tangra
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Posted - 2008.10.12 00:41:00 -
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The question isn't whether nano needs to be nerfed. Some readjustment is in order... But this is a ham handed, slegde hammer blow. The reprecussions of this extend far beyond ships going to fast. If this nerf goes through as it is described they will need a minimum of 3 nerf/boosts to "fix" the damage it does. I'm sorry but this is a surgical situtation and they are using chainsaws.
Anyone who asks a valid question gets blown off or misdirected... Roaming was fine in 2004... Right. Many of the ship/mods we currently use didn't exist in 2004. CCP has yet to address the vast majority of legitimate questions. Blasterboats, acs and minmatar, RR BS gangs, drakes gangs... The list goes on.
We play this game too. We have a vested intrest here. I don't claim to "own" the game because I pay for it, but I reserve the right to speak out when I see an entire play style threated and a massively over done attempt to fix, or in reality destroy, it. Most of us agree that a change is in order, but not this change, not as they have outlined it.
I would like to see more variety in 0.0. What I do not want to see is an axiom shift: Nano ----> RR BS, Galente/Minmatar -----> Amarr/Caldari. This solution does not increase variety, it changes the required fit from mwds to remote reps and missiles. Give us a reason to fly all ships, not just the ones at the end of boost/nerfs. I will not trade in my cruiser sized ships for BS, if EvE goes this way I'm out. No rage or hard feelings. I just don't want to fly a big, slow RR, brick.
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Shadowsword
COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.12 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Kiarah The worst offender? Nozh's brushing off the question on the future of roaming gangs. "It was fine in 2004..." Please don't treat your playerbase like little kids. The game is NOTHING like it was in 2004. Anchorable Bubbles, bombers, dictors, heavy dictors, recons, all have an effect on a actually thought out answer to this question. You have an intelligent playerbase, and we should be able to expect intelligent answers, at least when you give a dev blog purporting to answer questions.
The game has changed, yes. So what? Even now when I roam with my corp, we use most of the time non-nanoed ships, and we're doing fine. Learn to play without exploiting flaws in the game mechanics. ------------------------------------------
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Kepakh
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Posted - 2008.10.12 11:34:00 -
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Originally by: Shadowsword The game has changed, yes. So what? Even now when I roam with my corp, we use most of the time non-nanoed ships, and we're doing fine. Learn to play without exploiting flaws in the game mechanics.
So currently you can roam fine with nano and non-nano ships. Why reducing diversity in game? A flaw? If, as you stated, you can fight nanos with non-nanoed ships where is the flaw then?
Only flaw I see here is your logic...
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