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Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:34:00 -
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But the goons are actually the good guys right now. Everyone seems to be butthurt and/or jealous or something so you're all desperately grasping at anything you can possibly twist and distort enough to use against them. Mittani made the kind of comment you can't be on the internet more than 5 minutes without hearing and nobody that was actually present took offense. In fact, quite a few people there thought it was funny. Everyone pretends it's some kind of epiphany that sometimes drunk people are assholes and does their best Fox news impression and uses bullshit PC buzzwords like "cyberbullying" to fearmonger their way to higher ratings for their petty little rant. I just read a thread claiming Mittani apparently can't tell the difference between Eve and reality and possibly might be leading a cult that worships him as the second coming of Christ because he used the words "my people" to refer to his people. Seriously? Not even the real Fox is that batshit crazy!
Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage. The response was to make all kinds of literally insane accusations, campaign to get him fired from the CSM, release his address and threaten to **** his wife. As much as I hate to say it, you guys are acting 100x worse than the goons right now. It's was just a rude comment. You know, the kind that makes up 70% of the text on the internet. Sticks, stones, etc. If it had been anyone else who said it nobody would care. Everybody needs to grow up, HTFU and move on with their so-called lives. |
T' Elk
Happy Little Spaceships
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:37:00 -
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tl;dr, but everyone is always butthurt about goons. They'll get over it or [gtfo]. ~As of 3.25.12, The Elk has officially returned to EVE. |
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
426
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:37:00 -
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I hate mittens threads, but at least in this one OP isn't an idiot.
--Will Support Your Terrible Forum Thread For ISK-- |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
665
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:39:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries.
But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Ocih
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
126
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:41:00 -
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I listened to an interview with Mittani in it. I don't think he is losing any sleep over the fart smellers and thier youtube grade commenting here in GD or on twitter or anywhere else. It's epeen about who can come up with the most original burn now. He knows that.
If it's getting to you, close the browser. It's burning you out. Serious, blame Fox News and CNN. Wall to wall to wall to wall. If you run the forum 24/7 like cable news it doesn't matter what the content is any more. it's overload. |
RAP ACTION HERO
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:42:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. bullying applies even to adults of age? |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:46:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. If someone is so messed up in the head that someone being mean on the internet would drive them to suicide then it's only a matter of time before some random thing makes them snap anyway. Nobody can force someone to jump off a bridge IRL by telling people to blow up their imaginary space ship. Words are just noise and you're taking this way too seriously. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:46:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. bullying applies even to adults of age?
google: incitement to suicide.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
PotatoOverdose
Royal Black Watch Highlanders Flatline.
61
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:53:00 -
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The thing is, goons have been pissing off people for years in all manner of ways (scamming, all sorts of metashit, the list is fairly extensive). Some individuals, those that don't treat eve as a game, have a lot of pent up frustration toward the goons. Now unstable individuals who have been, in their minds, wronged by the goons have an outlet IRL for their pent up frustration.
So now an individual is experiencing consequences irl for the in game actions of many of his corp-mates. And it will probably get worse, because the goons pissed off A LOT of people (and statistically, some of those individuals will be quite unstable).
Its a ****** up situation tbh. |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:53:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. bullying applies even to adults of age? google: incitement to suicide. In Florida it's illegal for unmarried women to parachute on a Sunday. In Vermont women must obtain written permission from their husbands to wear false teeth. In Illinois you can be arrested for vagrancy unless you have at least $1 on your person. In Georgia it's illegal to keep a donkey in your bathtub.
Just because it's a law doesn't mean it isn't completely ********. |
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Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:56:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote: If someone is so messed up in the head that someone being mean on the internet would drive them to suicide then it's only a matter of time before some random thing makes them snap anyway.
I'm 110% for Darwinism, but that completely ends at encouraging or facilitating another person to end their own life. Especially so when the person in question has identified themself as being suicidal. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
666
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Posted - 2012.03.31 05:58:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:
Just because it's a law doesn't mean it isn't completely stupid.
Just try using that argument as a positive defense in a Court of Law sometime. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Justa Altlol
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:02:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: If someone is so messed up in the head that someone being mean on the internet would drive them to suicide then it's only a matter of time before some random thing makes them snap anyway.
I'm 110% for Darwinism, but that completely ends at encouraging or facilitating another person to end their own life. Making someone commit suicide over the internet is impossible. You're accusing him of something that can't be done, period, by anyone. Here, i'll prove it; You suck! Your mother never loved you! You were just an accident one night when she was high in college! You should totally kill yourself. Now we just have to wait. If he posts again it proves talking can't make someone die. I was pretty sure common sense proved that already, but apparently not.
Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote:
Just because it's a law doesn't mean it isn't completely stupid.
Just try using that argument as a positive defense in a Court of Law sometime. The irony is strong in this one. |
Peter Raptor
Knights of Gallifrae
39
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:05:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:
Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage.
I have a funny feeling that IF he did burn down an orphanage, you'd volunteer to be his defence lawyer.
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Ren Oren
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:06:00 -
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Whats up with all the "YOU"RE THE BAD GUYS NOT MITTANS" post???
We don't drink your koolaid so it doesn't make sense |
Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:08:00 -
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T' Elk wrote:tl;dr, but everyone is always butthurt about goons. They'll get over it or [gtfo].
Kenny Rogers Plays EVE??? |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
124
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:10:00 -
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Ren Oren wrote: We don't drink your koolaid so it doesn't make sense
What the hell is koolaid?
But this thing has gone from a meta game attack to a real life attack and threats it needs to die. Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Doc Fury
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
667
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:15:00 -
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[quote=Justa Altlol Making someone commit suicide over the internet is impossible.[/quote]
Enticing someone to commit suicide who is already vulnerable to commit suicide is what is at issue. Especially when you are recruiting others via suggestion or direction to perform that task.
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'no.' |
Luh Windan
S T R A T C O M Persona Non Gratis
61
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:38:00 -
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I"ll tell you what - if I had been the target of Mittani and the goons - well that's Goons and like most people who play Eve - they aren't a surprise to me and for better or worse they are part of the game.
However the self righteous bullcrap that has been on these forums ever since depresses me a lot. Really is the worst of humanity all scoring points over one another about who is the most virtuous or the most outraged. Laws have a letter and an intent - most people even in this thread seem more interested in point scoring over the letter of the law than any intention. The OP has it right comparing it to Fox.
And while you are all applying the letter of the law - how is the massive, now RL, attack on Mitani not bullying?
If I had been the cause of all this behaviour on the forums I would indeed be questioning things very deeply.
I'm very glad the people I interact with in game are not like the people on the forums or I would have stopped playing myself. |
Grant Wyberious
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.03.31 06:40:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Making someone commit suicide over the internet is impossible.
Enticing someone to commit suicide who is already vulnerable to commit suicide is what is at issue. Especially when you are recruiting others via suggestion or direction to perform that task. He's not at risk anymore. The Wis' has already admitted it himself. The problem was that it was stated back in November so circumstances change. |
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supersexysucker
Uber Awesome Fantastico Awesomeness Group Ayn Sof Aur
60
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:16:00 -
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Hey op you need to spend 50 cents and then try to inject those 50cents (now in a different forum) into your head.
Tasteless joke but... its okay right?
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/news/20101118/mental-illness-affects-in-in-5-americans
http://www.webmd.com/depression/news/20080903/cdc-one-in-20-americans-depressed
Just saying...
if you are in america and have 20 frineds... one of them is depressed so either all of you need to start losing some frineds... or learn something. |
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
377
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:36:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:But this thing has gone from a meta game attack to a real life attack and threats it needs to die. Whoa, lets not get hasty now.
Internet forum discussions have rights too, and need to be protected. In such an environment they could be shredded in moments, we need to protect them.
Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Frying Doom
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
127
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:40:00 -
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Alavaria Fera wrote:Frying Doom wrote:But this thing has gone from a meta game attack to a real life attack and threats it needs to die. Whoa, lets not get hasty now. Internet forum discussions have rights too, and need to be protected. In such an environment they could be shredded in moments, we need to protect them. Actually they are not in the United States so they are not subject to freedom of speech laws Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
486
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Posted - 2012.03.31 07:43:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Justa Altlol] , and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him.
Oral sex is illegal in some 1st world states, go figure. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
MoyO zOlotse
State War Academy Caldari State
14
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:27:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: If someone is so messed up in the head that someone being mean on the internet would drive them to suicide then it's only a matter of time before some random thing makes them snap anyway.
I'm 110% for Darwinism, but that completely ends at encouraging or facilitating another person to end their own life. Making someone commit suicide over the internet is impossible. You're accusing him of something that can't be done, period, by anyone. Here, i'll prove it; You suck! Your mother never loved you! You were just an accident one night when she was high in college! You should totally kill yourself. Now we just have to wait. If he posts again it proves talking can't make someone die. I was pretty sure common sense proved that already, but apparently not. Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote:
Just because it's a law doesn't mean it isn't completely stupid.
Just try using that argument as a positive defense in a Court of Law sometime. The irony is strong in this one.
Reported for telling someone to kill themselves.
Have a ironic day! |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:32:00 -
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RAP ACTION HERO wrote:Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. bullying applies even to adults of age?
Bullying can apply to any age. |
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient Electus Matari
160
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:34:00 -
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Maybe if goonietrolls didn't keep up putting so many new Mittani threads that the front page of GD had nothing else to read, people would at some point STFU about the whole thing. |
Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
187
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:39:00 -
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Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:Maybe if goonietrolls didn't keep up putting so many new Mittani threads that the front page of GD had nothing else to read, people would at some point STFU about the whole thing.
Yeah, it is kind of pointless, everything has been said already.
Neither side will sway the other, we're just going around in circles now. |
C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:43:00 -
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Probably better you didn't say it you look like an a$$hat like them now.
Intraweebs Spaceships > life itself
0/10
You fail at life |
Shoot2kilI
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
20
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:46:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
It was definitely tasteless but not harmless, and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him.
No. It was harmless. I don't advocate telling people to commit suicide, but for fucks sake, it was literally harmless. The guy at the butt of the joke LITERALLY HAD NO IDEA that it had happened until he was informed of the fact, and he made ANOTHER suicide joke on top of that.
Jesus ******* christ I hate agreeing with NPC alts OP. |
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Hrodgar Ortal
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:46:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:Alavaria Fera wrote:Frying Doom wrote:But this thing has gone from a meta game attack to a real life attack and threats it needs to die. Whoa, lets not get hasty now. Internet forum discussions have rights too, and need to be protected. In such an environment they could be shredded in moments, we need to protect them. Actually they are not in the United States so they are not subject to freedom of speech laws
Tip, read up on freedom of speach. It applies to someones right with regard to the government to say "things", these things are limited in most countries (incitement to violence/hate speach what not). However the owner of a forum (any kind of forum) have full rights to censor what happens on those forums.
So you can legally in most western countries discuss almost anything with regards to government, politics or whatever floats your boat the owners/operators of a forum are in no way obliged to provide the place for you to discuss that. Hence freedom of speach doesn't apply to forums with regards to their owners/operators. Basically they can ban you for anything they like and there is exactly nothing you can do about it as they are not obliged to provide a service to you. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
60
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:52:00 -
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Rico Minali wrote:Doc Fury wrote:[quote=Justa Altlol] , and in fact was illegal in some 1st world countries. It also put CCP in a very precarious legal position. But it's all the media's fault, mittens is just so misunderstood, and everyone is out to get him. Oral sex is illegal in some 1st world states, go figure.
But poeople havent been sentenced for two months in prison for oral sex in the first world for years. However someone has been jailed for a drunken rant on twitter in the last month . I am flabbergasted that people can not only be so ignorant of the legal situation regarding the internet. Im amazed that a self proffessed lawyer like mittens does not know the legal situation regarding bullying. Trying to claim that bullying is somthing only children are protected against is terrribly wrong.
In the EU we have clear laws about behaviour on the internet and in public that differ dramatically from the US. in America your right to freedom of speech is guarenteed by the first ammendment. In Europe freedom of speech is limited by the law in ways your country does not it seems understand. Before you start to call us all fascists as has been said on some threads, think about the history of the last century in Europe and ask yourself why we have limited freedom of speech to protect against hate.
In recent months in the UK in paticular the profile of cyber offences, cyber bullying, trolling has been very much in the public eye. Cases of teenage suicides after a message on a social networking site like this example http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-14239702 made national headlines.
EU law protects people from offensive behaviour on the internet and does not allow the anononymity of the web protect offendors when they use the internet as a medium to bully or spread hate. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16144640 people have been given sentences lasting into years for offences carried out in the internet even when there was no physical consequnce.
Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587
I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable.
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Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
124
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:56:00 -
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Doc Fury wrote:
google: incitement to suicide.
OK! Hmmmmmm.....Not finding any laws...campagin in the UK to make it a law, a blog post by a guy who says its semi-protected free speech So what exactly did you find, law wise? Care to make citation? |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
124
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Posted - 2012.03.31 09:59:00 -
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Temulkar Blaine wrote:Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable. Bullying generally includes the idea that it has to be long term, i.e MORE THAN ONCE. One statement, one time is someone being a ****. Bullying requires months
Also you're a buncha fascists. |
Alara IonStorm
1872
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:00:00 -
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Grant Wyberious wrote: He's not at risk anymore. The Wis' has already admitted it himself. The problem was that it was stated back in November so circumstances change.
That was learned in the aftermath after investigation.
The simple truth is that The Mittani said" Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is...
You can not do that, you just can't. You are not responsible for a players mental health and if they kill themselves over a video game they lost at it isn't your fault. You can try to help them by reporting them if they threaten suicide but that is about it. You can not harass or encourage others to harass them though.
RL Laws aside it is against the rules of the game. Rules subject to change by CCP who can penalize your account for any reason if they decide so. So many people take not just the act but the implication that you could be aloud to harass someone to suicide as such a serious thing that not enacting repercussions would have the potential to but CCP in a world of hurt if it further hit the public stage.
You just can not be a profit making organization and come out as ambivalent to harassment. It is why Greifing is loosely defined in the EULA instead of not their at all.
Justa Altlol wrote: Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage. The response was to make all kinds of literally insane accusations, campaign to get him fired from the CSM, release his address and threaten to **** his wife.
It wasn't harmless if it paves the way for others to think they are allowed to make similar remarks because someone could get hurt from them.
As for harassing the Mittani that falls under the same category as what he did and should be treated with the same level of seriousness. Not everyone who wanted to see repercussions is a Goon hater or deluded psycho in fact that is the fringes not the rule. Suicide is a hot button issue so I am not surprised the Mittani is drawing some very zealous flack. But it is harassment and also wrong. |
moskowitz
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:03:00 -
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well....recently there was a college room mate who thought it would be funny to video tape his room mate having gay sex.
they put it on the net i believe and the poor guy killed himself. a court case on this is still on going i think. No one got hurt here ....but the if you are saying oh...it's just a joke...grow up...um...please think about doing some as well. |
Temulkar Blaine
Liberation Army BricK sQuAD.
60
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:04:00 -
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Townsend Harris wrote:Temulkar Blaine wrote:Perhaps the timing of this incident was most ill fated for Alexander, In the last month we have had a high profile case of a celebrity being targetted by a cyber bully and anti social behavior on the internet has been on the news and on prime time TV and questions have been asked in paliament. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17399027 . Even worse timing wise is the very high profile case of a student jailed for a drunken abusive rant on twitter about a seriously ill footballer that aroused comdemnation from all quarters. The student was jailed in the last week. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-17434587I sympathise with americans who assume protection from the first ammendment gives you the right to say what you want be as offensive as you want on the internet press whatever. This is not the case in the rest of the world and certainly not in Europe and Alexander maybe forgot that in Iceland. Perhaps those members of the CSM who have objected to this decision need to consider this issue and see the wider impolications of this act and also the different international interpretatinos of both what is legal and what is decent and acceptable. Bullying generally includes the idea that it has to be long term, i.e MORE THAN ONCE. One statement, one time is someone being a ****. Bullying requires months Also you're a buncha fascists.
Look at the first case of teh female student who killed herself after one evening of abuse on facebook I linked, Look at the Richard Bacon video and the case of suicide after only two posts.
Our laws are to protect against facism, duh work it out. We limit our freedom by not allowing people to carry guns either, Hows that one working out for you? |
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1360
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:05:00 -
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Justa Altlol wrote:But the goons are actually the good guys right now. Everyone seems to be butthurt and/or jealous or something so you're all desperately grasping at anything you can possibly twist and distort enough to use against them. Mittani made the kind of comment you can't be on the internet more than 5 minutes without hearing and nobody that was actually present took offense. In fact, quite a few people there thought it was funny. Everyone pretends it's some kind of epiphany that sometimes drunk people are assholes and does their best Fox news impression and uses bullshit PC buzzwords like "cyberbullying" to fearmonger their way to higher ratings for their petty little rant. I just read a thread claiming Mittani apparently can't tell the difference between Eve and reality and possibly might be leading a cult that worships him as the second coming of Christ because he used the words "my people" to refer to his people. Seriously? Not even the real Fox is that batshit crazy!
Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage. The response was to make all kinds of literally insane accusations, campaign to get him fired from the CSM, release his address and threaten to **** his wife. As much as I hate to say it, you guys are acting 100x worse than the goons right now. It's was just a rude comment. You know, the kind that makes up 70% of the text on the internet. Sticks, stones, etc. If it had been anyone else who said it nobody would care. Everybody needs to grow up, HTFU and move on with their so-called lives. lol, sorry to burst your bubble but you're no better than those you rebuke. What's pathetic is posting forum threads like this trying to cloud the issue and portray everything out of context.
I've watched that video 1/2 dozen times and I get even more disgusted each time I view it. People in the audience were telling them to shut up and sit down. Hell, their arrogant antagonistic vulgar behavior was causing people to leave despite them yelling and demanding that the audience ask them questions.
Encouraging players on a world wide video feed to hunt and harass a player in game to help facilitate and induce that player to act upon suicidal tendencies is not only morally wrong, it also has legal ramifications within a court of law. Same with making real life threats of violence against another person (wife).
This whole situation has gotten completely out of control and could very well end up destroying this game. If so, The Mittani will go down in history as 'That player who killed Eve Online'.
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C Genix
Alphane Research Co-operative
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:05:00 -
[39] - Quote
@Moskowitz Sorry to hear that |
Sedalectra
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:23:00 -
[40] - Quote
moskowitz wrote:well....recently there was a college room mate who thought it would be funny to video tape his room mate having gay sex.
they put it on the net i believe and the poor guy killed himself. a court case on this is still on going i think. No one got hurt here ....but the if you are saying oh...it's just a joke...grow up...um...please think about doing some as well.
Not to derail a riveting thread, but I believe he was found guilty on several counts of invasion of privacy. Last I read there was talk of deporting him.
That's all. Please continue, or don't.
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Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
502
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Posted - 2012.03.31 10:49:00 -
[41] - Quote
I never thought you'd say it, either! Imagine that!
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold. |
ElQuirko
Gravit Negotii Rogue Elements.
488
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:27:00 -
[42] - Quote
tl;dr, OP is the kind of person that goes on "bestgore.com" for a good laugh.
If we distribute pictures of people, does that mean God can file copyright claims under SOPA? |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
229
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:34:00 -
[43] - Quote
Justa Altlol wrote:Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway I admit that harassing someone into suicide is indeed harmless and the victim did sound like he is deserving of death. I see your point.
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Spectre80
The Knights Templar GIANTSBANE.
61
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:36:00 -
[44] - Quote
Justa Altlol wrote:But the goons are actually the good guys right now. Everyone seems to be butthurt and/or jealous or something so you're all desperately grasping at anything you can possibly twist and distort enough to use against them. Mittani made the kind of comment you can't be on the internet more than 5 minutes without hearing and nobody that was actually present took offense. In fact, quite a few people there thought it was funny. Everyone pretends it's some kind of epiphany that sometimes drunk people are assholes and does their best Fox news impression and uses bullshit PC buzzwords like "cyberbullying" to fearmonger their way to higher ratings for their petty little rant. I just read a thread claiming Mittani apparently can't tell the difference between Eve and reality and possibly might be leading a cult that worships him as the second coming of Christ because he used the words "my people" to refer to his people. Seriously? Not even the real Fox is that batshit crazy!
Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage. The response was to make all kinds of literally insane accusations, campaign to get him fired from the CSM, release his address and threaten to **** his wife. As much as I hate to say it, you guys are acting 100x worse than the goons right now. It's was just a rude comment. You know, the kind that makes up 70% of the text on the internet. Sticks, stones, etc. If it had been anyone else who said it nobody would care. Everybody needs to grow up, HTFU and move on with their so-called lives.
eat bag of dicks
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Kai Tel
State War Academy Caldari State
95
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:39:00 -
[45] - Quote
Justa Altlol wrote:But the goons are actually the good guys right now. Everyone seems to be butthurt and/or jealous or something so you're all desperately grasping at anything you can possibly twist and distort enough to use against them. Mittani made the kind of comment you can't be on the internet more than 5 minutes without hearing and nobody that was actually present took offense. In fact, quite a few people there thought it was funny. Everyone pretends it's some kind of epiphany that sometimes drunk people are assholes and does their best Fox news impression and uses bullshit PC buzzwords like "cyberbullying" to fearmonger their way to higher ratings for their petty little rant. I just read a thread claiming Mittani apparently can't tell the difference between Eve and reality and possibly might be leading a cult that worships him as the second coming of Christ because he used the words "my people" to refer to his people. Seriously? Not even the real Fox is that batshit crazy!
Mittani made a tasteless, but harmless remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway and everybody acts like he burned down an orphanage. The response was to make all kinds of literally insane accusations, campaign to get him fired from the CSM, release his address and threaten to **** his wife. As much as I hate to say it, you guys are acting 100x worse than the goons right now. It's was just a rude comment. You know, the kind that makes up 70% of the text on the internet. Sticks, stones, etc. If it had been anyone else who said it nobody would care. Everybody needs to grow up, HTFU and move on with their so-called lives.
They give you PLEX? |
Kara Roideater
Perkone Caldari State
129
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:46:00 -
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Luh Windan wrote:
And while you are all applying the letter of the law - how is the massive, now RL, attack on Mitani not bullying?
By the massive attack on the Mitanni, you mean people discussing and reporting what he did? I'm sure you wouldn't be foolish enough to suggest that everyone who has criticised him or reported his words should be treated as equivalent to someone who makes RL threats because that would represent the most complete failure of reasoning possible.
Discussing the genuinely bad things that someone has done is not bullying. Directly encouraging people to take unwarranted action against that person would be bullying. In the hundreds of pages of threads I have read on this I have come across almost no posts that could be construed in any way as bullying the Mittani. So, how is the massive 'attack' on the Mittani not bullying? Because legitimate criticism is legitimate.
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Rengerel en Distel
Tadakastu-Obata Corporation The Honda Accord
25
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:51:00 -
[47] - Quote
If the guy that started this whole thing can admit he was wrong and take responsibility for his actions, why can't all his supporters? The only ones seemingly piling on now are the ones that keep bringing it up. On the internet, if you stop talking about it for 5 min, it just goes away.
Don't assume bad intent, when stupidity is the much more likely cause. |
Dalton Arillo
State War Academy Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
100 % agree with the OP. It was a stupid, tasteless joke, nothing more. The Wis probably would have never known about it, if it weren't for all the crusaders on the forums. Interesting fact: CCP actually approved the evemail for presentation! Which can only mean they didn't take it seriously either. If a person's really mentally unstable, the showing of the evemail alone could have triggered a meltdown, stupid remark or no.
But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it? |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
491
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:14:00 -
[49] - Quote
Dalton Arillo wrote: But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it?
No it wasnt. It was about the in game enemies of the CFC using a situation to achieve something that they could not achieve in game. Nothing more.
Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:20:00 -
[50] - Quote
Is outmeta'd a word? |
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Alara IonStorm
1876
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:26:00 -
[51] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote:Dalton Arillo wrote: But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it?
No it wasnt. It was about the in game enemies of the CFC using a situation to achieve something that they could not achieve in game. Nothing more. Thank god, I thought it was about the line: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is... Because CCP not taking action would condone the ability of a player to marshal people to harass players who may be at risk of suicide.
I mean I voted for the Mittani because I thought he was trying to take CCP in a good direction but now that I know that I am just a Goon hater with no other motive I can just go ahead and support statements like this.
Justa Altlol wrote: remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway
Perhaps the majority of people are outraged by the implication that someone encouraged others to harass a possibly mentally distressed person without knowledge if was distressed...
Nah, it's a Goon hate thing. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
230
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:49:00 -
[52] - Quote
Rengerel en Distel wrote:If the guy that started this whole thing can admit he was wrong and take responsibility for his actions, why can't all his supporters? The only ones seemingly piling on now are the ones that keep bringing it up. On the internet, if you stop talking about it for 5 min, it just goes away. Alexander Gianturco's actions were, for the most part, premeditated. What he apologized for is being drunk and not remembering what he said. Not for writing a PPT about a possibly suicidal victim. To him and his goons it is a joke. And if the victim would have committed suicide I have no doubt in my mind it just would have been more 'punch' to their joke. Because people like these guys simply are unable to distinguish where the game ends and real life begins. They simply lack that part of the brain that makes those connections. And they're also very proud of this disability.
After his 'genuine' apology he went on a rant and rage on how he is being "crucified" over this and how he really doesn't act like this in real life while encouraging his legion of idiots to increase their meta game play by causing massive grief on the game and to drive as many people away from Eve as possible. Because that is how the goons "play". They use the game as a grief tool and call it playing. And then, get mad when called on it.
In short, Mr Gianturco has not taken responsibility for his actions. He's mandating his legion of idiots to do as much damage as they possibly can to CCP and its playerbase. This is real life revenge, not a 'genuine' apology. |
Josefius
13th Tribe of Kobol Expeditionary
58
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
I've been saying this from day one of this bullshit, but glad someone else is coming around to reason. You have enemies? Good, that means you stood up for something, sometime in your life.
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:05:00 -
[54] - Quote
OP: We're not here to be good guy so stop slandering our good name. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:07:00 -
[55] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Rico Minali wrote:[quote=Dalton Arillo] But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it? Nah, it's a Goon hate thing.
It is. It was a turn of phrase. If Mittani had said 'make his life miserable' it would be the same thing, but would not have garnered nearly the momentum it did.
How many times have people said 'Goddamnit, if [x] happens, I'll ******* kill myself!" when mad? Do you send every one of those people to a shrink?
The situation has been dealt with. It's over. Punishment handed down. Full stop.
But here we are, with people still railing, frothing at the mouth, demanding not only Mittani get the shaft but that the Goons go down by proxy. People calling for legal action, making death threats, out for blood. All the carebears suddenly grew fangs the second they aw an opening that wouldn't lead a cruise missile right up their thermal exhaust ports, and they took it...and they keep taking it. If this was about what Mittani said, we wouldn't still be having this conversation, because the white knights would have sheathed their swords of righteous indignation when he was punished.
They won't do that, though. This is to juicy. "A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
495
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:10:00 -
[56] - Quote
Alara IonStorm wrote:Rico Minali wrote:Dalton Arillo wrote: But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it?
No it wasnt. It was about the in game enemies of the CFC using a situation to achieve something that they could not achieve in game. Nothing more. Thank god, I thought it was about the line: Incidentally, if you want to make the guy kill himself, his name is... Because CCP not taking action would condone the ability of a player to marshal people to harass players who may be at risk of suicide. I mean I voted for the Mittani because I thought he was trying to take CCP in a good direction but now that I know that I am just a Goon hater with no other motive I can just go ahead and support statements like this. Justa Altlol wrote: remark about someone who sounded like they deserved it anyway Perhaps the majority of people are outraged by the implication that someone encouraged others to harass a possibly mentally distressed person without knowledge if was distressed... Nah, it's a Goon hate thing.
Pretty sure no one really likes what he said, I sure dont. What I am saying is that a huge amount of people jumped on the band wagon simply because he leads the CFC and no other reason. He was banned, he resigned the csm, he apologised, he sent the guy 11 billion isk.
Ive seen worse posted here on these forums than what he actually said at fanfest. I dont see anyone rightous anger being directed at them. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
80
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:10:00 -
[57] - Quote
Oh, wow. None of the other 200 heads on this subject have made any difference to me but with this one I see the light. Revelation at last.
You like so many other people on the forums are presuming you know what's in everyone's mind concerning this. Very dumb. |
Xander Riggs
The Scope Gallente Federation
123
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:11:00 -
[58] - Quote
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
In short, Mr Gianturco has not taken responsibility for his actions. He's mandating his legion of idiots to do as much damage as they possibly can to CCP and its playerbase. This is real life revenge, not a 'genuine' apology.
Can the ****. You had no interest in an apology or his punishment. He could be cutting a pound of flesh off his body right now and you'd be bitching about how it should have been two.
"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands." |
Jaroslav Unwanted
Brutor Tribe Minmatar Republic
1373
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:12:00 -
[59] - Quote
I am just an distant observer, i do not judge other people actions, they are what they are and they doing what they know. I am just an distant observer.
They doing the best they can, but so does mass-murderers. And i am just an distant observer. |
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University Minmatar Republic
231
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:20:00 -
[60] - Quote
Xander Riggs wrote:MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
In short, Mr Gianturco has not taken responsibility for his actions. He's mandating his legion of idiots to do as much damage as they possibly can to CCP and its playerbase. This is real life revenge, not a 'genuine' apology.
Can the ****. You had no interest in an apology or his punishment. He could be cutting a pound of flesh off his body right now and you'd be bitching about how it should have been two. I was first actually poised in believing his apology, that is until he went off on a rampage encouraging his alliance to meta game like they never have before. So I'm thinking maybe you should **** off.
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Asuri Kinnes
Adhocracy Incorporated Adhocracy
321
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:20:00 -
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Shoot2kilI wrote: The guy at the butt of the joke LITERALLY HAD NO IDEA that it had happened until he was informed of the fact A. This is irrelevant.
B. If "Goons" hadn't cultivated (as a group) their reputation to such a degree, this never would have gained any traction.
C. Goon enemies *are* meta-gaming the **** out of this (Pot meet kettle).
D. Jokes about suicide, in a public venue, are not jokes.
E. I still believe that "alex's" apology was sincere, where I would never have believed that from "The Mittani".
F. Post on your ***-*** main - you have nothing to worry about except getting picked on...
Dalton Arillo wrote:Interesting fact: CCP actually approved the evemail for presentation! Which can only mean they didn't take it seriously either. If a person's really mentally unstable, the showing of the evemail alone could have triggered a meltdown, even if the character was not specifically named.
But this whole ruckus never was about the Wis' wellbeing anyway, was it? Interesting fact - this has nothing to do with the approved slide show. It was the Q/A comments after. I would suggest reading comprehension classes, but it was ******* video...
Wormholes: The *NEW* end game of Eve - Online: No Local. No Lag. No Blues (No Intell Channesl). No Blobs.
NEW FEATURE: NO INCARNA! |
Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel
55
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:20:00 -
[62] - Quote
I have to agree with the OP, this has gone way way way beyond censuring someone for a tasteless and stupid remark. |
Alara IonStorm
1877
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:23:00 -
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Xander Riggs wrote: It is. It was a turn of phrase. If Mittani had said 'make his life miserable' it would be the same thing, but would not have garnered nearly the momentum it did.
Yes the word Suicide is like gasoline when talking harassment but that example just shows that CCP needs to be more on the ball with harassment.
Not for PR Reasons but for the general well being for distressed people.
Xander Riggs wrote: How many times have people said 'Goddamnit, if [x] happens, I'll ******* kill myself!" when mad? Do you send every one of those people to a shrink?
Yes. If they are constantly threatening suicide then they have mental issues and need treatment. If they are using it as a ploy then cops showing up to escort them to the hospital is a good example not to do it.
Xander Riggs wrote: The situation has been dealt with. It's over. Punishment handed down. Full stop.
Some are happy with the decision and some are not so discussion will continue.
Xander Riggs wrote: But here we are, with people still railing, frothing at the mouth, demanding not only Mittani get the shaft but that the Goons go down by proxy. People calling for legal action, making death threats, out for blood. All the carebears suddenly grew fangs the second they aw an opening that wouldn't lead a cruise missile right up their thermal exhaust ports, and they took it...and they keep taking it. If this was about what Mittani said, we wouldn't still be having this conversation, because the white knights would have sheathed their swords of righteous indignation when he was punished.
Their will always be people who discuss the implications of an event or speak to the degree's of consequences. That is simply debate and if they are just political positions then they can be safely ignored but if they have merit the reasons for raising the issue is not important because the message stands. I am no expert in law and frankly believe The Mittani got enough but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be a debate.
As for Harassing him, as I stated they need to be more on the ball. It is as wrong to harass The Mittani and The Wis. The perpetrators should be held to consequence. Whether in game penalties or legal action. But that is up for debate. |
Alara IonStorm
1878
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:31:00 -
[64] - Quote
Rico Minali wrote: Pretty sure no one really likes what he said, I sure dont. What I am saying is that a huge amount of people jumped on the band wagon simply because he leads the CFC and no other reason. He was banned, he resigned the csm, he apologised, he sent the guy 11 billion isk.
There was good reason for the penalties handed down but people playing politics is annoying.
The important thing is to not ramp up the consequences because of outcry. He took his penalty standing up and if that is enough then all the politicals can shout at walls. If they increase his penalty beyond what is deserved then there is a problem.
I personally think he paid his due and it is over. Others will disagree and will discuss that but unless they can come up with a real reason besides I hate Goons then they can sit and spin.
Rico Minali wrote: Ive seen worse posted here on these forums than what he actually said at fanfest. I dont see anyone rightous anger being directed at them.
Their doesn't need to be anger for those incidences. Just consequences.
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