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Liang Nuren
Parsec Flux
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:03:00 -
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Tonight I listened to Eve Radio where the CSM spoke about The Mittani Scandal and then The Mittani and Nyphur talked about the consequences and fallout of associating real life name with overly sensationalist terms. The conversation was much less dramatic than I expected and I'm very thankful that Nyphur was so willing to work with The Mittani. Eventually they even made up and almost e-hugged. How cute.
However, there's an important take away to be had here: what could have been a story about a drunk mostly anonymous ******* making an exceptionally stupid comment at Fanfest became so much more because of the use of a real name. The news elements fed off of each other with all making various untrue allegations towards not The Mittani - but the player behind The Mittani. And really, this is hardly the first time that someone's real life name has come up in terms of their actions on the CSM - for instance there are several people who have been accused (but not "convicted") of breaking the NDA and now their real life is similarly affected. So effectively: the use of a real name takes things to the next level. And this is going to be true any time someone's real life name is used - whether that person is The Mittani, Jade Constantine, Liang Nuren, or yours.
At any rate, at the end of the show, someone posted The Mittani's real life address and someone else said they were headed that way to **** The Mittani's wife. This isn't the first time I've seen something like this said, but I've learned a lot about the way CCP handles it since the last time I saw it so directly. And just to be clear: CCP takes these threats very seriously and I wouldn't be surprised if someone's received a visit from their local law enforcement tonight.
So with all of this in mind, I believe that the CSM white paper should be amended in such a way that the CSM candidates (and eventual CSM members) real names and countries of origin are not given to the player base as a whole - but strictly to CCP. The real life information of current CSM members is already available, but that's no reason for future members to potentially be put in similar real life situations.
We as a player community have proven that we are not responsible enough, not mature enough, and not sane enough to be trusted with this information and this proposal is meant to help our upcoming CSM candidates - those whose real names aren't known yet. Maybe even people like you.
-Liang Normally on 5:00 -> 9-10:00 Eve (Aus TZ?) Blog: http://liangnuren.wordpress.com PVP Videos: http://www.youtube.com/user/LiangNuren/videos Twitter: http://twitter.com/LiangNuren
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Eva Blacklist
Red Federation RvB - RED Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:12:00 -
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/signed |
Javelin6
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:16:00 -
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Supported |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:18:00 -
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There is literally zero reason why the playerbase should be privy to any of that information. Supported! |
Madlof Chev
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:19:00 -
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This is a great idea. |
Mirthless Bloodreign
Red Ochre Mining and Exploration Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:19:00 -
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Supported. |
Lulzes
PonyWaffe Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:19:00 -
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/signed |
Inoriani
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:19:00 -
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Signed. Get on it, CCP. |
Necr0s
Barr Heavy Industries Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:20:00 -
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Supported |
Luba Cibre
Global Song Setup
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:20:00 -
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Madlof Chev wrote:This is a great idea. Definitely. |
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Tobias Quin
Handsome Persuasion
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:20:00 -
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Great idea, no reason for real names to be in the CSM as far as I can tell. |
Tanaka Aiko
ICE is Coming to EVE Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:20:00 -
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supported |
Professeur Producteur
Kernel of War Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:21:00 -
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Agreed. /signed |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:23:00 -
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I say to not cave in to those particular elements within EVE. They will have 'won'.
Especially with the way some sectors of EVE players s***talk (they just don't know when enough is enough though), even this extreme talk is probably not serious, just NOT thinking and more than likely it is (again) alcohol influenced.
Better to deal with law enforcement (with NO delay) if necessary like last night on a case by case basis ahould this arise again in the future. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:23:00 -
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I suspect that many prospective CSM candidates have been scared off by the idea of surrendering their anonymity. There is no good reason to force people who genuinely wish to help the EVE community to expose themselves to RL harassment and other nonsense over a video game.
i.e. supported "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
TheWarpGhost
1st Steps Academy Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:24:00 -
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/Signed.
Never underestimate Total Internet Dickwad Theory. |
Banderlei Shiiba
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:24:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:I say to not cave in to those particular elements within EVE. They will have 'won'.
Don't think of it as caving, think of it as asking why the hell that information is even public in the first place. |
Tallian Saotome
Fractured Core Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:24:00 -
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Yup, this would be a good thing.
I might suggest that the part about who they are in real life(background info) be displayed tho, as certain backgrounds would help people with the job. If they are displayed without names, CCP should verify so we know it is the truth and not some random claim(if Trebor had claimed all the things he had done and I couldn't look them up, I would have assumed he was full of crap, for instance). Just make sure the info is vague enough not to be identifying. Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom. |
Carg Haaul
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:26:00 -
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Do it. |
Isabella300
FinFleet Raiden.
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:28:00 -
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/signed
No one should ever be a target for threats of any kind in a online game and defiantly not in Real life!!! because of interests or game play. This is way out of line and can never be justifiable in any way !!!!!
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Prime FLux
The Rising Stars The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:28:00 -
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Makes sens |
Hertzen
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:32:00 -
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If names cant be released, shared and exploited then lets have skreegs look in the resulting botted csm... Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
Isaac Asimov |
Ammutseba Gangulur
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:34:00 -
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/support
There is no reason for them to have to disclose their names to other players. |
Rico Minali
Sons Of 0din Fatal Ascension
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:36:00 -
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Agreed, there is no reason to disclose real names.
Too many people take this game waaay to seriously and there are alot of unstable people out there who really would find you and do bad things because of what you did to their pixels. It is VERY easy to find a person via the internet once you have a name and a few small details, even mor eso if the figures have even a small reputation to research into.
How will it affect ccp when a crazy really does go and find someones wife or kids because they got angry in game and lost it. Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing. |
Urenna Naari
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:38:00 -
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/Signed |
Hertzen
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:39:00 -
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Well a little more seriously...
Why cant normal so called real people distinguish between a person and their avatar? What I propose is the old gamer use of an in game character tag for roleplaying. In or out of character. That still leaves plenty of mucking about potential but also leaves a line drawn in the sand that cant be crossed.
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
Isaac Asimov |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:40:00 -
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Everyone please take note that no one is saying that CCP should not have personal information of the CSM, rather the internet at large SHOULD NOT have it. +1 |
Kilylol
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:41:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Update 2: I see the GOONS are really FOR this. And MAINLY Goons. I smell a rat. CSM and CCP really better THINK HARD before doing away with RL names. Seems to me like someone is trying to pull a stunt and get away with something anonymously. More than likely they have found an exploit of a sort. I'd be REAL careful here.................
Signed, James Causey, Palm Harbor, FL
Surely you must have missed the part of the OP where he says that only CCP must know the names. On-topic : Supported. It's time people learn to differentiate between a game and RL. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:50:00 -
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Kilylol wrote: Surely you must have missed the part of the OP where he says that only CCP must know the names(I feel you bro, reading is hard).
Oh, that's right! Nobody at CCP EVER leaks any information, ever. Just ask Hilmar about that................ |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:52:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Kilylol wrote: Surely you must have missed the part of the OP where he says that only CCP must know the names(I feel you bro, reading is hard).
Oh, that's right! Nobody at CCP EVER leaks any information, ever. Just ask Hilmar about that................
So you don't support this because their names might be leaked?
Are you forgetting that such a leak would place CCP in a fairly precarious position? "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
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