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Hertzen
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:53:00 -
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Kilylol wrote:Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Update 2: I see the GOONS are really FOR this. And MAINLY Goons. I smell a rat. CSM and CCP really better THINK HARD before doing away with RL names. Seems to me like someone is trying to pull a stunt and get away with something anonymously. More than likely they have found an exploit of a sort. I'd be REAL careful here.................
Signed, James Causey, Palm Harbor, FL Surely you must have missed the part of the OP where he says that only CCP must know the names(I feel you bro, reading is hard). On-topic : Supported. It's time people learn to differentiate between a game and RL.
Would not be too hasty in trusting names only to an old feudal hierarchal structure like ccp who in the past has come to blows with the new palyer order and well... Lost. I would rather trust my identity to a crowd than to a secluded and protectionist group of corporate PR men.
Creationists make it sound as though a 'theory' is something you dreamt up after being drunk all night.
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Tenobia Aybara
The Scope Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 11:54:00 -
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/supported |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:03:00 -
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I read your post, very interesting analysis and opinion and I was clearly about to /sign.
Then I just remembered Prencleeve video, the RL threats and comments about Alex RL information and I can't sign any more.
By the way, CSM candidates should not even have to present themselves IRL for this very same reason. Does CCP guard or another CCP member tells you his RL name, tells you his RL life CV whatsoever? -no, and if they do it's a big mistake.
This is an internet video game, where internet anonymous nerds do whatever/whatsoever from killing pixels to act like pedos, threat people RL, bullie, have racist comments more often than they say hello to someone else, girls don't exist or they're gay/played by men, most guys are gay, and so on and so forth.
So because of the above, I can't agree with you, this can take proportions that go beyond reason. |
Ai Shun
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:11:00 -
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I support this idea. There is too much madness, too many RL threads leveled at people like the Mittani and you are right - the community is not mature enough. Let CCP know and leave it like that. What purpose is there for the community to know the players? Let them interact with the characters and leave it at that. |
Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:13:00 -
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Tanya Powers wrote:I read your post, very interesting analysis and opinion and I was clearly about to /sign.
Then I just remembered Prencleeve video, the RL threats and comments about Alex RL information and I can't sign any more.
By the way, CSM candidates should not even have to present themselves IRL for this very same reason. Does CCP guard or another CCP member tells you his RL name, tells you his RL life CV whatsoever? -no, and if they do it's a big mistake.
This is an internet video game, where internet anonymous nerds do whatever/whatsoever from killing pixels to act like pedos, threat people RL, bullie, have racist comments more often than they say hello to someone else, girls don't exist or they're gay/played by men, most guys are gay, and so on and so forth.
So because of the above, I can't agree with you, this can take proportions that go beyond reason.
Huh?
Currently, to run for the CSM, you are required to divulge your RL identity not only to CCP, but to the entire community. The idea is that CSM candidates should not be required to do so (except to CCP, of course, but this is already done through your account info) "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
Tanya Powers
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
969
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:18:00 -
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Richard Desturned wrote:Tanya Powers wrote:I read your post, very interesting analysis and opinion and I was clearly about to /sign.
Then I just remembered Prencleeve video, the RL threats and comments about Alex RL information and I can't sign any more.
By the way, CSM candidates should not even have to present themselves IRL for this very same reason. Does CCP guard or another CCP member tells you his RL name, tells you his RL life CV whatsoever? -no, and if they do it's a big mistake.
This is an internet video game, where internet anonymous nerds do whatever/whatsoever from killing pixels to act like pedos, threat people RL, bullie, have racist comments more often than they say hello to someone else, girls don't exist or they're gay/played by men, most guys are gay, and so on and so forth.
So because of the above, I can't agree with you, this can take proportions that go beyond reason. Huh? Currently, to run for the CSM, you are required to divulge your RL identity not only to CCP, but to the entire community. The idea is that CSM candidates should not be required to do so (except to CCP, of course, but this is already done through your account info)
Hem read again plz.
And if you're still not a good boy after that one you'll have to read it 100 times or until you get lvl3 reading |
ChYph3r
Multiplex Gaming SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:19:00 -
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I agree with this. First post on this forum in a week that makes some god damn sense. FREE THE MITTANI ---- 10058 AMP - Angry Monkey Podcast |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:25:00 -
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Wow. The amount of Goons and other NullBears posting as opposed to 'Carebears' is again very revealing.
Something is fishy.
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Richard Desturned
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
118
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:35:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Wow. The amount of Goons and other NullBears posting as opposed to 'Carebears' is again very revealing.
Something is fishy.
What is it about this proposal that you are opposed to? "Nullsec alliances will now begin counting reporters on staff along with supercapitals and tech moons. Unironically." - The Mittani |
Cyprus Black
Golden Shellbacks Surely You're Joking
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:42:00 -
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When EvE ingame shenanigans spill over into real life, it becomes a problem and CCP needs to stop it. Follow my EvE blog at: http://cyprusblack.blogspot.com/ |
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Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
210
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:49:00 -
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+rep |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:58:00 -
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3rd page and still pretty much it's JUST ANOTHER GOONFEST here.
CCP, do not fall into this trap. |
Odiain
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:05:00 -
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/signed
I wonder what was the rationale behind of not doing this in the first place. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:16:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:I say to not cave in to those particular elements within EVE. They will have 'won'.
Especially with the way some sectors of EVE players s***talk (they just don't know when enough is enough though), even this extreme talk is probably not serious, just NOT thinking and more than likely it is (again) alcohol influenced.
Better to deal with law enforcement (with NO delay) if necessary like last night on a case by case basis ahould this arise again in the future.
Upd: EVE needs to have the 'bad boy on the block" reputation, but now it seems more like the 'psychotic idiot on the block'. Alliance and Corp members need to 'eyeball' thier members better. These behaviors are usually evident in some fashion BEFORE these things happen. But then the type they hang around with probably think it's funny.
Update 2: I see the GOONS are really FOR this. And MAINLY Goons. I smell a rat. CSM and CCP really better THINK HARD before doing away with RL names. Seems to me like someone is trying to pull a stunt and get away with something anonymously. More than likely they have found an exploit of a sort. I'd be REAL careful here.................
Update 3: Re-read the article about all of this. I'd be careful (I can't stress that enough) and REALLY BE SURE that was not somebody's idea of a bad joke on that radio show. Something seems staged about it. THAT needs to be looked into as well.
Besides, a CSM composed of anonymous Toons will not be taken very seriously at all, and may as well not exist.
Signed, James Causey, Palm Harbor, FL
So you are saying that a perfectly good, reasonable and logical idea should not be implemented simply because goons are suggesting it? That is pathetic. Truly pathetic.
There is no reason for this information to be published automatically, CCP are the only ones who need to know the personal details of the CSM, they are the only ones who should be automatically told. If a candidate chooses to reveal more personal information about themselves, that is their decision.
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ReBeLSKuLL
Meatshield Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:22:00 -
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supported.
The EVE community should not be mixed up with a persons real life details. Too many separate events have already marked and shown us the way the community works and act in various situations. I trust CCP, I am in doubt though when it comes down to single units within this community. |
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
5
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:23:00 -
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Well, TBH, if this really happened, I believe it will be 'THE LAST STRAW'.
CCP, in order to protect themselves since the playerbase is too immature to even have a finger in the political pot without threatening to literally kill and **** people..............
.......they will probably have no choice but to disband the CSM permanently.
Thank you Mr. Alexander Gianturco. |
Townsend Harris
The Milkmen Test Alliance Please Ignore
125
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:27:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Well, TBH, if this really happened, I believe it will be 'THE LAST STRAW'.
CCP, in order to protect themselves since the playerbase is too immature to even have a finger in the political pot without threatening to literally kill and **** people..............
.......they will probably have no choice but to disband the CSM permanently.
Thank you Mr. Alexander Gianturco. You are perhaps the stupidest person in this thread. Please explain how this could be to the benefit of ONLY GoonSwarm? Please explain why the originator of the idea, Liang, has gone on record (I think) as 'not liking goons'? This idea that its a goon conspiracy is a lot like the Obama birth certificate nonsense (See first Mitanni went back in time and created a character called Liang....) |
Jadecougar
Z3R0 RETURN MINING INC. Li3 Federation
48
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:32:00 -
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Totally agree with the OP!
There's no reason the real names and locations are needed to be published to the playerbase at all. CCP needs that information for NDA reasons, travelling, and other practicalities obviously.
IN GAME names are most critical and they are the ones that we identify with anyway.
Threatening someone's family and property in real life because of activities from a video game is NEVER OK. This just makes sense. Period. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
3
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:33:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:Well, TBH, if this really happened, I believe it will be 'THE LAST STRAW'.
CCP, in order to protect themselves since the playerbase is too immature to even have a finger in the political pot without threatening to literally kill and **** people..............
.......they will probably have no choice but to disband the CSM permanently.
Thank you Mr. Alexander Gianturco. Your anger against goons has blinded you from seeing reason. If you can provide reasons as to how this will benefit goons above the rest of Eve, please let us know. If not, then pipe down. |
None ofthe Above
160
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:46:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:3rd page and still pretty much it's JUST ANOTHER GOONFEST here.
CCP, do not fall into this trap.
The Meta-Game sure has bitten back.
The Meta-Game is proving to obviously be a REAL BAD IDEA after all.
Well yeah.
But that doesn't mean rational folk shouldn't be supporting this idea.
If a goon told you the earth revolved around the sun, would you feel compelled to argue with him?
If this thread was posted before the election it still would have been a good idea, although less obviously so. The goons probably would have been opposed to it, or at least less supportive.
Good ideas are good ideas, no matter who is advocating them. Something more people could stand to learn.
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DurrHurrDurr
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
479
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:10:00 -
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After the abhorrent threats posed against The Mittani in real life, the EVE: Online community has demonstrated that it is not mature or responsible enough to handle the release of real identities as part of the CSM. |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
911
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:14:00 -
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Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:I say to not cave in to those particular elements within EVE. They will have 'won'.
Especially with the way some sectors of EVE players s***talk (they just don't know when enough is enough though), even this extreme talk is probably not serious, just NOT thinking and more than likely it is (again) alcohol influenced.
Better to deal with law enforcement (with NO delay) if necessary like last night on a case by case basis ahould this arise again in the future.
Upd: EVE needs to have the 'bad boy on the block" reputation, but now it seems more like the 'psychotic idiot on the block'. Alliance and Corp members need to 'eyeball' thier members better. These behaviors are usually evident in some fashion BEFORE these things happen. But then the type they hang around with probably think it's funny.
Update 2: I see the GOONS are really FOR this. And MAINLY Goons. I smell a rat. CSM and CCP really better THINK HARD before doing away with RL names. Seems to me like someone is trying to pull a stunt and get away with something anonymously. More than likely they have found an exploit of a sort. I'd be REAL careful here.................
Update 3: Re-read the article about all of this. I'd be careful (I can't stress that enough) and REALLY BE SURE that was not somebody's idea of a bad joke on that radio show. Something seems staged about it. THAT needs to be looked into as well.
Besides, a CSM composed of anonymous Toons will not be taken very seriously at all, and may as well not exist.
Signed, James Causey, Palm Harbor, FL
Your entire argument against this idea is simply "hm lots of people in GSF are voting for so we should vote against!"
You're despicable.
Signed,
Blawrf McTaggart. |
Dutaun
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
0
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:14:00 -
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/signed
No one should have to go through what The Mittani has! |
Kitfox Mikakka
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
117
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:22:00 -
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I'm honestly somewhat confused over why CCP had CSM members reveal their out of game identities and whatnot at all, past a generic 'CCP has bad ideas' deal. Sure, the company needs to know who you are and stuff, but the community as a whole sure as hell doesn't need to and sure as hell can't be trusted with it, as a whole bunch of people have shown over the past week or two. |
RDevz
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
75
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:27:00 -
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This is a great idea, if only to stop a load of creepy chucklefucks posting people's real names on the eve-o forums. |
Ugleb
Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan
185
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:28:00 -
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I generally agree with the need for caution, but I do have one issue with this, and it might even be the reason why CCP chose to publish names in the first place, I dunno.
If the real names off applicants are removed from the process, doesn't that increase the chance of a player with a poor reputation using an alt to run for the CSM?
There may be players who would not vote for a certain candidate because of a past action (say The Mittani) or because of a poltical association (a certain alliance etc) but who would vote for his publicly unknown alt that is 'untainted' by a colourful past.
While revealing a real world identity could be abused, it also helps to identify individual players from largely anonymous character identities that can be legitimately bought or sold.
If real names were removed from the process, there should be another means of identifying players beyond the character name they choose to compete with.
An alt of The Mittani would still benefit from the channelled support of Goonswarm, but be freed of much of the current controversy now on his shoulders. Is that right? http://uglebsjournal.wordpress.com/ |
Bayushi Tamago
Tribuo Quod Victum The AirShip Pirates
45
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:02:00 -
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I've heard a decent amount about the threats Mittens has received. So, I support this as well, and suggest that perhaps evetv/fanfest should stop using players' real names as well and just use character names, just like they do with the CCP employees.
Not broadcasting players' real names, whether restricted to the csm or not, will help players and CCP avoid further media slandering in the future
Edit: While taking out the country might be a good idea, without the names, they don't mean much. Some people might vote because someone from their country is running, so perhaps keep a category about what primetime they fall under or something. It's still vague while still potentially enabling regional voting for anyone who actually might do that (for whatever reason) |
sakurako
Eternal Darkness. G00DFELLAS
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:08:00 -
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i'm not a fan of The Mittani and what he said did make feel sick, what he did was wrong, but to do real life threats to anyone is just as bad.
Want to get back at him or anyone do it via war dec/invade just keep it in game and under the rules of the game.
i support this. +1 |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:09:00 -
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Ugleb wrote:I generally agree with the need for caution, but I do have one issue with this, and it might even be the reason why CCP chose to publish names in the first place, I dunno.
If the real names off applicants are removed from the process, doesn't that increase the chance of a player with a poor reputation using an alt to run for the CSM?
There may be players who would not vote for a certain candidate because of a past action (say The Mittani) or because of a poltical association (a certain alliance etc) but who would vote for his publicly unknown alt that is 'untainted' by a colourful past.
While revealing a real world identity could be abused, it also helps to identify individual players from largely anonymous character identities that can be legitimately bought or sold.
If real names were removed from the process, there should be another means of identifying players beyond the character name they choose to compete with.
An alt of The Mittani would still benefit from the channelled support of Goonswarm, but be freed of much of the current controversy now on his shoulders. Is that right?
You forget one thing - controversy does not mean someone cannot get elected. As long as this was not dodging a ban on running for CSM - CCP would need to investigate, using real names and billing info which they and only they should possess - then there is no reason why Mittens or Darius or anyone else who has made themselves infamous by their actions should be able to stand.
Plus the alt would need to develop a good reputation before non-voting bloc members would vote for him. If Mittens stood for election for CSM using an unknown alt, and commanded all goons to vote for him, he would receive goon votes and maybe a dozen more of so. If he stood as The Mittani, he would receive all goon votes and hundreds, if not thousands, of non-goons who like his attitude or policies.
As shown by the voting results of CSM 7, an unknown toon without the support of a voting bloc will gather no votes. Even high profile but inept candidates received a pitiful number of votes. To get elected, you either need the support of a voting bloc - goons will vote for The Mittani, whether standing as The Mittani or an alt - or you need to be a competant, high profile candidate who has been a key part in the community for a number of months, potentially years. So these concerns about alts 'abusing' the system really are minimal, especially compared to candidates personal contact details potentially being abused, a la mittensgate. |
Arkon Olacar
Imperial Guardians The Aurora Shadow
4
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:14:00 -
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Bayushi Tamago wrote:I've heard a decent amount about the threats Mittens has received. So, I support this as well, and suggest that perhaps evetv/fanfest should stop using players' real names as well and just use character names, just like they do with the CCP employees.
Not broadcasting players' real names, whether restricted to the csm or not, will help players and CCP avoid further media slandering in the future
Edit: While taking out the country might be a good idea, without the names, they don't mean much. Some people might vote because someone from their country is running, so perhaps keep a category about what primetime they fall under or something. It's still vague while still potentially enabling regional voting for anyone who actually might do that (for whatever reason) Agreed. Either country of residence or timezone would be a good thing to include - and explains why toons that are relatively unknown (as far as I am aware) in the Eve-O community gather large numbers of votes in the election, presumably mainly from their native voting bloc. |
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