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Galactic Tycoon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.13 01:06:00 -
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I've been meaning to get a freighter for a long time and now that I can, I'm left wondering if it's worth it! What can I use it for? I thought I could go travel to places to buy cheaper minerals but doing the calculations and comparing them to just buying them in Jita it's a)not that cheaper and b) would take an eternity to round them up in a very slow warping and expensive ship.
So what else can I use it for? Buying goods outside of jita and hauling them in? Not worth it! It's easier and quicker to just place buy orders in the busy Jita. I can't see any reason why you wold pay 800M+ for a freighter?
Also, I've got production efficiency near perfect. Yet adding the cost of the minerals up it will be above the cost to buy the ship on the market. Or in some circumstance create a pathetic profit. I've even looked at buying minerals but the competition is fierce and the prices are still so tight that even if I got the minerals I can't calculate a worthwhile profit. What's the point? How can one make money when the cost of production exceeds open market sale value?
At a loss...
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 01:43:00 -
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Well.. you can fill it with stuff in one place and take the stuff to another place! --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!! |
Galactic Tycoon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.13 01:56:00 -
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In that case it's more economical to use a freighter service instead of paying over 800M in the ship cost and skill books.
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 02:01:00 -
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On the other hand... when you flying a freighter you look rich and important --------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!! |
F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 03:01:00 -
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Originally by: Intense Thinker On the other hand... when you flying a freighter you look rich and impotent
Fixed it for you.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Intense Thinker
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 04:20:00 -
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--------------------- It's me! Your lovable forum warrior!!! |
Ralara
Caldari Perkone
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Posted - 2008.10.13 06:28:00 -
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OP; your 0.0 space is right at the top of the map right?
Save up for a Jump Freighter, it'll be worth more to you. --
Ralara - Technical CSM Candidate for the 08/09 Council |
Mal Lokrano
Gallente LFC
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Posted - 2008.10.13 06:32:00 -
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Edited by: Mal Lokrano on 13/10/2008 06:32:07 just note that jump freighters are a very pretty penny, upwards of several billion isk, if it weren't for the cost i'd have one myself hehe
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RaTTuS
BIG Libertas Fidelitas
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Posted - 2008.10.13 08:21:00 -
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It's worth going for JF - though thisis not really new citizens advice |
Toshiro GreyHawk
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Posted - 2008.10.13 08:57:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Tycoon In that case it's more economical to use a freighter service instead of paying over 800M in the ship cost and skill books.
There you go. Start a Freighter service!
Actually, I think you've got the whole process backwards.
You don't decide you want a ship and then try to come up with a reason for buying one.
You have an existing need and buy a ship that will fulfill that need.
The use that I would have for a Freighter would be hauling ships I had manufactured to market. Ships take up a lot of room and if I want to make a lot of them and/or make some that are really large, I'm going to need something really big to haul them around with.
Also, if I have mined and refined a lot of ore into minerals that I just want to sell, it would be a lot easier to transport it to market in a Freighter instead of making multiple runs in an Industrial.
More to the point - if my Corporation - had a lot of ships and or minerals to move to market it would be a lot easier and quicker to have them moved in one large ship by one guy than to have multiple people taking time they could be spending mining or running missions making all those trips in Industrials.
So, it's more a case of "Damn but I've got a lot of shit to move and I'm sick of wearing a path through space going back and forth in this stupid Industrial - I'm buying a ****ing Freighter!" than "Gee, wouldn't it be cool to have a Freighter ... wonder what I could do with it?"
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Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.10.13 13:00:00 -
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Next time don't buy a ship if you don't already have a purpose for it?
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highonpop
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.13 14:40:00 -
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Edited by: highonpop on 13/10/2008 14:40:50
Originally by: Letouk Mernel Next time don't buy a ship if you don't already have a purpose for it?
+1
otherwise you are wasting isk, and a lot of isk at that. freighters are expensive...
I just stick my iteron. i havnt had a need for anything bigger. unless you are moving A LOT of inventory, a freighter is over kill. _____________________ *warp drive acti...wait, where are we going?*
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:43:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel Next time don't buy a ship if you don't already have a purpose for it?
In the OP's defense, he hasn't actually purchased it yet.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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Galactic Tycoon
Infinite Improbability Inc Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Galactic Tycoon on 14/10/2008 00:53:01 Thank you! Someoned notice I never said I actually bought one!
And to the other guy about getting things backward. I actually wanted to produce ships outside of Jita then bring them into Jita using a freighter. That's why my questions were combined. What's the point in me getting a freighter for this purpose if the cost to buy minerals exceeds the current market price of the ship?
Just done another quick calculation. If I remember the numbers, creating a Mymidon at perfect skill (from a one copy blueprint) = 32.9M + whatever the one run bpc costs. Now...current cheapest Mymidon in Jita = 33.4 Profit a mere 500k! Minus tax and broke fee. So I ask again....what's the point in blueprints? The only real mass money making use for blueprints (that I can see as an individual not a corp), is to transfer my lucky transport spawn wrecks loots via JF to empire and build.
Additonally.....I really can't afford a JF!
Sorry if this sounds ignorant, I'm new to building. Just trying to see the money making potential.
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F'nog
Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Celestial Industrial Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:32:00 -
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You're a noob to the Eve market, and there's nothing wrong with that, since you're asking questions here.
Simply put, the market makes no sense.
1) You're pricing in Jita, where logic dares not tread.
2) You're under the misapprehension that everyone in Eve knows what they're doing. This is simply not the case, especially when it comes to economics. Too many players believe that if they mine the minerals themselves, then everything they get from selling an item is profit. They don't take into account everything you have (and good for you for realizing how this works), so they just say, "I spent X amount on a BPC and Y amount on the factory, so everything else is profit! OMG Awesome!!!!"
On a side note, you say "near perfect" for production efficiency. Is this the skill or a BPC value? The first can be a big difference, the second not so much. And even with PE V, you're still going to have to deal with idiots I outlined above.
Your best bet for now is to set aside the freighter and focus on finding a place where your ships are in demand. Start out small and produce what you can and sell them in station. You don't have to move them, so you won't waste any time doing so and won't have do deal with losing them.
Now, you will probably have to deal with moving minerals, but that's much less of a burden than ships, usually. Also, you can take some time becoming a regular mineral buyer, who supplies a constant demand to miners. If they know someone is always putting up reasonable orders for good-sized amounts of minerals, they will fill your orders and you won't have to move anything. If you choose the right system, one near a war zone or low/null sec, you can develop a reliable clientele who will be willing to purchase your ships at a more profitable markup for you with less work for you also.
This is not easy. It takes a lot of research of where the in-demand areas are; where it's safe to sell (either for you or your suppliers); and what is actually in demand there. Then it'll take time to make a name for yourself, so to speak (they probably won't know who you are, just that there's a guy or entity who provides what is needed at a good enough price that travel somewhere cheaper isn't worth it, and that you'll buy for a good enough price that it's easier to sell to you than travel elsewhere for more).
So start small and be patient. Eventually, if it's in safe enough space, you can go collect the minerals from elsewhere with your later-to-be-acquired freighter, or move the ships where they need to be from a more advantageous construction area. But that will be a while in your future, so skip the freighter for now.
Originally by: Kazuma Saruwatari
F'nog for Amarr Emperor. Nuff said
Originally by: Chribba Go F'nog! You're a hero! Not a Zero! /me bows
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FarosWarrior
Amarr Sonnema
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Posted - 2008.10.14 21:23:00 -
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since youre in MH (been in UH myself) i know that you can help out in the drone areas with the freighter of yours, ask for a escort and get loads of stuff in and out of lowsec or nullsec
and imho its better to have isk in assets then liquid, this way (works here at least) some people make more iskies cause they dont have alot of it liquid [URL=http://img125.imageshack.us/my.php?image=indyteethzh5.png][/URL][URL=http://g.imageshack.us/thpix.php]http://img125 |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2008.10.14 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Galactic Tycoon Just trying to see the money making potential.
Ah, it's a market question disguised as a freighter question.
Yeah, the T1 ships and modules market makes no sense. Too many people trying to have firesales, underbidding even below mineral value, and too many manufacturers from the "minerals are free, cause you just mine them" crowd.
Jita isn't the best place to sell stuff either. That's where the daytraders play, and so prices get inflated or deflated artificially, just cause someone wants to manipulate today for a quick profit.
If you want to make ships and sell them, you need:
a. A source of cheap minerals. Definitely cheaper than Jita. Look around in other places, set your own buy order, strike up a private deal with a mining corp.
b. A spot where people need said ships. Border systems, bottleneck systems, populated lowsec spots, non-racial hubs (don't try to sell Ravens in Jita, take them to Minmatar space).
Once you find a & b, that freighter will be nice to have, although you can still possibly make a lot more by running missions or heck even mining, than manufacture.
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