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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:14:00 -
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Once upon a time, there was an alliance of players that managed to all but bring Empire to it's knees. No, I am not talking about Goonswarm you unending rabble of pitchfork touting towns folk, I am talking about The Privateers. For all of you newer players who may not be aware of this, the Privateers (the old Privateers) were once the greatest scourge Empire had ever seen.
The year was (I Think) around 2007 and they were blockading empire and wardecing everything in sight. Their actions compelled CCP to overhaul the entire wardec system because of their actions, and their actions alone. You can still see mention of it on EVE Search if you look around hard enough Linkage Here
Ultimately CCP's "Fix" to wardecs was kind of sucky and not very well thought out. Something that it has taken them this long, a new expansion in 2012, to come around to addressing. Even so, it did fulfill it's primary purpose, and that was for it to maintain their vision of the game play. Since that time they have also buffed Concord more then once, and removed insurance of suicided ships for the same reason.
Now alternatively... they did NOT Interfere with Hulkageddon. Which seems a little Bi-polar, amiright?
So Why Interfere With The One & Not The Other? Is CCP Really Bi-polar?
In a word, yes they are. CCP's ideals of the game have been subtly changing for nearly a decade. All of it goes on behind the scenes in the closed doors of corporate offices. So if, and I stress if, there is a Jita burning event one month from now, CCP's reaction will be as it always has been. IF they feel like what happens interferes with their current vision, they will make new rules to counteract player action, just as they did with the Privateers and the wardec system in 2007. IF they do not, then they will do nothing, just as they allowed (I think) three years of Hulkageddon.
CCP's ideas change. Such a short time ago the stage was set to walk in stations and buy expensive pants. That was their new direction, and a mass walkout of players told them that would not work. So now we have pretty spaceships, a stunning game and a... I can't believe I am saying this... a upcoming buffed wardec system after so many years What all of that means is, put simply, ATM we have no idea what CCP's current vision of EVE Online is. It is always, and has always been, changing. Change is EVE.
So all of you propaganda spewing, riot inciting, pitchfork touting towns folk, claiming that a Jita burn will some how put a thermometer up CCP's ass and take their temperature, seeing if they are truly "the CCP of old". Well, you apparently never appreciated what CCP has always been in the first place. If they act, or if they do not act, does not matter. Because either one would be the actions of the CCP that we know, love and hate.
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Liam Mirren
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:16:00 -
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Yes, lets just pretend that M0o didn't exist.
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Damn EP, you're in Spacemonkey's, wtf. Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.
My guides: http://mirren.freeforums.org |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
196
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:19:00 -
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Yep,CCP is bipolar. |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:19:00 -
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Liam Mirren wrote:Yes, lets just pretend that M0o didn't exist.
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Damn EP, you're in Spacemonkey's, wtf.
Yes, and M0o. My bad. Also, I'm sure ill get kicked out soon.
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Sasha Azala
Blood and Decay
188
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Posted - 2012.03.31 12:21:00 -
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I'm going to take a break from the froums for about a week, hopefully all this Goon nonsense would have lost some steam by then. |
Lord Publow
Republic University Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:06:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:I'm going to take a break from the froums for about a week, hopefully all this Goon nonsense would have lost some steam by then.
Sister Azala, may you and your forum viewing be steamy. I fight for Hoovers everywhere.-áhttp://hoover.com/ |
Buzzmong
Aliastra Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:08:00 -
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Chap, you forgot about Dre m0o.
That said, rather good post. I like. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5845
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:13:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now alternatively... they did NOT Interfere with Hulkageddon. Which seems a little Bi-polar, amiright? Not really, no. Hulkageddon is too limited in scope and easy to avoid, not to mention it's a free-for-all event rather than something that just a few can join and enjoy. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Industrial Complex Cosmic Consortium
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:17:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:So Why Interfere With The One & Not The Other? Is CCP Really Bi-polar?
How long have you been beating your wife?
See, we can all ask daft questions.
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Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.31 13:21:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now alternatively... they did NOT Interfere with Hulkageddon. Which seems a little Bi-polar, amiright? Not really, no. Hulkageddon is too limited in scope and easy to avoid, not to mention it's a free-for-all event rather than something that just a few can join and enjoy.
More of Tippa's rants... and we don't even need to click his blog link. Sweet.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:10:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:More of Tippa's rants... and we don't even need to click his blog link. You should probably look up the word GÇ£rantGÇ¥. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
DonHel
Aliastra Gallente Federation
14
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:15:00 -
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GO PRIVATEERS! Now The orphanage! Pitboss for prez!
lol |
MeBiatch
Republic University Minmatar Republic
248
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:19:00 -
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lol i remember those days... it was great to be a low sec player as i was too afraid to enter high sex |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
540
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:26:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:More of Tippa's rants... and we don't even need to click his blog link. You should probably look up the word GÇ£rantGÇ¥. It doesn't mean what you think it means.
I think you're still just angry because I kept this memorial T-shirt.
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Gloomy Gus
GoonWaffe
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:32:00 -
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Sasha Azala wrote:I'm going to take a break from the froums for about a week, hopefully all this Goon nonsense would have lost some steam by then.
I hear ya sister
GǣGooniesGǪGǪGǪ..winning EVEGǪGǪGǪGǪ.one tear at a timeGǪGǪGǪ.Gǥ - Snot Shot - 2012
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
5845
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:34:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:I think you're still just angry because I kept this memorial T-shirt. Angry over what? What on earth are you on about?
Anyway, no, pointing out that ignoring a player-run event with little to no impact on the one hand, and reacting to tons of people to be killed left, right and centre isn't inconsistent doesn't really qualify as ranting. So you should probably still look up that word.
You should probably have a look at the word GÇ£perspectiveGÇ¥ while you're at it. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Francisco Bizzaro
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:45:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now alternatively... they did NOT Interfere with Hulkageddon. Which seems a little Bi-polar, amiright? Not really, no. Hulkageddon is too limited in scope and easy to avoid, not to mention it's a free-for-all event rather than something that just a few can join and enjoy. I don't know about the previous blockade, but based on Tippia's characterization I expect Burn Jita to be very similar to Hulkageddon: limited, easy to avoid, and fun for the whole family. So I don't see that CCP will need or want to treat it any differently. |
Raneru
Euphoria Released 0ccupational Hazzard
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:53:00 -
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The wardec system was overhauled because privateers showed that it was not designed to work on the scale they were using it at. However with hulkageddon, suicide ganking, etc things are working as intended. You fly a paper thin ship that is valuable, you get blown up and so does the aggressor. Don't make yourself a target is the best solution. |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.03.31 14:56:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:I don't know about the previous blockade, but based on Tippia's characterization I expect Burn Jita to be very similar to Hulkageddon: limited, easy to avoid, and fun for the whole family. So I don't see that CCP will need or want to treat it any differently. Pretty much. With the right preparation, the impact on trading should be close to nil; the impact on import and exports might be slightly higher but is still relatively easy to ignore or skip by.
I'm sure it'll catch a few people unaware, but that's what lack of awareness brings. In the meantime, it'll be a fun event with lots of loot and salvage for all (and some free pew-pew). Everyone wins GÇö especially CCP, since they get more free PR. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Find more rants over at Tippis' Rants. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:05:00 -
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Is it really that hard?
Money
As many chest beating hard core 0.0 pirates etc there are in this game there are waaaaaay more casual high sec lovin "pubbies"
Why do you think High sec is so crammed and 0.0 an lowsec so empty?
The larger group doesnt LIKE getting suicide ganked so CCP has to change for them
BUUUUUT
The smaller group are the game's core players and those this game was effectively built for
If they cave to one group, the other will leave. The game's population isnt so big they can say see a 2 million player drop and NOT change their course with what they planned (referrence to WoW and the stupid pandas expansion. They announced it and over the next quarter or so lost 2 mil players, yet instead of heeding that loss, continues with the plan to roll out the bad). Like this summer. People voted with their wallets and CCP felt it.
Thats powerful. And a two edged sword. NOW we have a CCP who are fearful of upsetting their player base to the degree they leave en masse again so they are in the untenable position of trying to appease everyone at once, which is IMPOSSIBLE. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
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Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:09:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Tippia wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:Now alternatively... they did NOT Interfere with Hulkageddon. Which seems a little Bi-polar, amiright? Not really, no. Hulkageddon is too limited in scope and easy to avoid, not to mention it's a free-for-all event rather than something that just a few can join and enjoy. I don't know about the previous blockade, but based on Tippia's characterization I expect Burn Jita to be very similar to Hulkageddon: limited, easy to avoid, and fun for the whole family. So I don't see that CCP will need or want to treat it any differently.
Man I been hoping to see something like this happen. Also, Ive forever wanted to (but really just dont have the balls - and figure if I actually TRIED this Id pop myself and the ship and not kill anyone and that wold be just so anticlimatic) train a character to smartbomb suicide gank and park him at Jita 4-4 and see how much damage I can do lol. https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Francisco Bizzaro
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:24:00 -
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Quote:NOW we have a CCP who are fearful of upsetting their player base to the degree they leave en masse again so they are in the untenable position of trying to appease everyone at once, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Actually, often it is possible, if you manage expectations and try to keep things fair - and if your audience aren't children with entitlement issues, which may be CCP's major problem here.
In this case, high-sec players should not expect to have WoW-style non-PVP zones. This game handles things differently. They should also be flexible enough to adapt if their favourite trade hub turns out to be unprofitable. (I pressed the wrong key once, ended up looking at a map, and noticed there are other star systems in New Eden - imagine what it must be like to travel to those systems! The mind boggles.)
Meanwhile, if CCP has stats which show the current game mechanics are too heavily balanced in favour of the gankers so that economic activity is impossible in high-sec - and I haven't seen a thread which effectively demonstrates this - then nerfs to bring things into balance are fair enough.
Nobody needs to quit the game. |
Skydell
Space Mermaids Somethin Awfull Forums
194
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Posted - 2012.03.31 15:42:00 -
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Crunch your thread?
CCP think they want the game to be all "l33t" and "hardcore" as they put it but they don't much like the idea of running at 30K subs so bi-polar? Have your cake and eat it too. I'm sure there are a few other analogies to describe the greed but it all means the same thing. Money talks and bullshit walks.
Make all EVE 0.0 sec, put Empire fleets in high value systems. Noobs can adapt or die. That's what CCP say they want. |
Tarsus Zateki
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
319
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:14:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote: I am talking about The Privateers...
Ahahhahaha holyshit there no roll eyes big enough. |
Richard Aiel
Caldari Provisions Caldari State
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Posted - 2012.03.31 16:45:00 -
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Francisco Bizzaro wrote:Quote:NOW we have a CCP who are fearful of upsetting their player base to the degree they leave en masse again so they are in the untenable position of trying to appease everyone at once, which is IMPOSSIBLE. Actually, often it is possible, if you manage expectations and try to keep things fair - and if your audience aren't children with entitlement issues, which may be CCP's major problem here. In this case, high-sec players should not expect to have WoW-style non-PVP zones. This game handles things differently. They should also be flexible enough to adapt if their favourite trade hub turns out to be unprofitable. (I pressed the wrong key once, ended up looking at a map, and noticed there are other star systems in New Eden - imagine what it must be like to travel to those systems! The mind boggles.) Meanwhile, if CCP has stats which show the current game mechanics are too heavily balanced in favour of the gankers so that economic activity is impossible in high-sec - and I haven't seen a thread which effectively demonstrates this - then nerfs to bring things into balance are fair enough. Nobody needs to quit the game.
Fair is not what ppl want in this game. Never has been as far as Ive been in it https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1052586#post1052586-á thats why "EVE is dying" and you only have yourself to blame -á |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.03.31 17:47:00 -
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Skydell wrote:Make all EVE 0.0 sec, put Empire fleets in high value systems. Noobs can adapt or die. That's what CCP say they want.
Site your source, because you're just making that up.
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:27:00 -
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Eternum Praetorian wrote:
In a word, yes they are.
That's three words. How on earth can we believe the rest of your lies? |
Eternum Praetorian
JSR1 AND GOLDEN GUARDIAN PRODUCTIONS SpaceMonkey's Alliance
541
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:33:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:Eternum Praetorian wrote:
In a word, yes they are.
That's three words. How on earth can we believe the rest of your lies?
I think the important thing here is that I make my shades look good. Keep practicing kid.
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Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
912
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:39:00 -
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Gloomy Gus wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:I'm going to take a break from the froums for about a week, hopefully all this Goon nonsense would have lost some steam by then. I hear ya sister
get a new gimmick, it's old and tired |
Hesperus Vanderbeets
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
246
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Posted - 2012.03.31 18:41:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:Gloomy Gus wrote:Sasha Azala wrote:I'm going to take a break from the froums for about a week, hopefully all this Goon nonsense would have lost some steam by then. I hear ya sister get a new gimmick, it's old and tired
get a new fursuit, it's sticky and matted |
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