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Altholonas Kynslayer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:05:00 -
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well, there goes my three accounts, bye eve, it was fun but seriously y'all messed up big time.
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Kuranta
Minmatar Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:05:00 -
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Originally by: The ECKI i don't understand this, whats unfair by finishing a skill whats running while im not online and paying? shure you dont get money from me at this moment, but i also can say i dont realy need this and this account and just forget them. and i think many of the guys here know how damn stupid it is to sit weeks or month and just stupid watch your skills raising. in this time i pay an other account.
i would agree with cutting down sp gain while inactive, but can i have 50% more skillpoints while paying and not logged in, cause im not producing more lag?
As you said: you get stuff (skillpoints) without paying. Not fair for CCP.
Sure, CCP will lose alt accounts, but I'm sure they figured that one.
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Orion Moonstar
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:06:00 -
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Is this going to affect characters that are already unsubbed?
http://www.dariusjohnson.org/dec20bobts.mp3 http://www.daitengu.com/ohgod/dec20bobts.mp3 |
Seriya
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
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I find the current layout of the Dev Blog page to be an extremely insulting attempt to bury this topic:
CERTIFICATES!!! (less than a page of responses)
NODES!!! (four pages of responses in a week)
WALKING IN STATIONS!!! (four pages of responses in two weeks)
Then on the right hand side, consoderably less promenantly:
New Chronicle!! (Does anyone actually read these?)
Then in small print:
Ghost Training to be Removed (NINE pages of respones in two HOURS.)
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Mortis Aguila
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
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Based on the level of response to this topic, I estimate this: Ghost training turned off 15 Oct, Eve servers turned off 30 November due to in-game economic crash and CCP wallet empty.
Another pat on the back for the bean counters. ------------------------------------------- REALITY.DAT not found. Rebooting the universe. |
RichThugster
Gallente Invicta.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: CCP Fallout A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. SINCE WE DONT GET PAID FOR IT, IT SHOULDNT HAPPEN, BUT LET'S BLAME BALANCING
We understand that this is a hot topic amongst players, and request that you discuss this necessary change without breaking the forum rules.
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Fred Ayurveda
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
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If you're looking to make it easy for me never to resub an alt, and less likely to resub a main, well done. I'm not one to make idle 'cancel my account' threats- never did when the cheating allegations came out, never have with the ridiculous lag and lack of responsiveness from your company. I don't even mean it as a threat...just probably won't resubscribe without one of the major unique factors of the game that allows a casual player to enjoy their time.
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Digital Solaris
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
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Originally by: Pan Crastus
Every current MMO that lets you progress in real time instead of with grinding does this. Still.
Like World of Warcraft or any other MMO that is built on time invested => virtual reward?
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Admiral Frools
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
[219]
Originally by: Inanna Zuni
All this arguing about people saying they'll take their accounts away? Good! They aren't actually playing with the accounts so nobody will miss them, right? Speaking as someone who has *always* seen this as an inherent unfairness in the Eve system - that people could get something for nothing - I'm very pleased it is ending.
Ooh yeah its so unfair, let me just sell another 500 gtc's and buy myself a titan totally legally and TOTALLY FAIRLY (of course).
But let me train my skills while I'm unable to resub my account cos I'm on holiday? Or cos my card didn't work? Or just because I want a little break?
**** NO.
Might as well convert the game to pay as you go, 5p per minute, I'm sure that would do wonders for your bottom line CCP
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thelung187
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:07:00 -
[220]
Originally by: goodnight omg. how much will i be able to stand. the nano nerf, the new gtcs, now this. will you ever bring something to cheer me up?
Heat!
[ 2005.05.19 22:54:23 ] InnerDrive > only solution safespot till you leave or mine in empire till you leave or s |
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Snarker What the hell, nice work CCP, you just lost tons of subscribers.
News for Snarker. SUBSCRIBERS PAY.
People running 'ghost accounts' do not. They shouldn't benefit therefore!
TANSTAAFL
My principles
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Poreuomai
Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:08:00 -
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I think this change makes absolute sense. Skill training is part of the game - if you don't pay then you don't play.
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Mad Ilya
Erasers inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:08:00 -
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Oh well, yet another stupid decision. I remember seeing some dev say that this feat would never be removed..
You can say goodbye for me renewing one to two of my alt accounts (plus one trainer account) ever again.
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Seriya
Caldari The Priory
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:08:00 -
[224]
Also, I'd be a lot more willing to trade Ghost Training for a Skill Queue. But today's announcement is frankly horrible.
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Ethea
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
[225]
Going to cancel both of my accounts in protest if this happens.
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Dakisha
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
[226]
Originally by: Seriya Ghost Training to be Removed (NINE pages of respones in two HOURS.)
Give us time, we've only just got home from work. I fully expect to see carrier-nerf esque levels of comments.
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Eros Schui
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Well, considering this account was created (and currently subscribed until the short skills are trained).. to Ghost Train up to Falcons / Ewar / Cyno alt...
Guess I don't have to wait to cancel. -1 (for good). What a waste of $20.00
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Cory Trevor
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Edited by: Cory Trevor on 13/10/2008 18:09:18 One of my characters (that's right, i've got a few like most everyone else) - I was already getting the feeling that CCP didn't even want me to play their game anymore. This just makes it 10x worse.
I mean, if this change came hand-in-hand with some form of skill queue or something, that'd make sense - nerf one aspect but throw us a bone on the other hand. This is just taking more things away - in this case, taking away a lot. So many people maintain several accounts because they can let the account lapse for long skills and re-sub. Does anyone at CCP even realize how many accounts some people have?
If they're conscious of how many alt accounts they're going to lose because of this (both current and future characters), they might as well change the game's name to "Eve Online: We don't want your money, go away"
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Brinstead
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:09:00 -
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Originally by: Digital Solaris
Originally by: Pan Crastus
Because companies actually want people to come back and if the player thinks he doesn't like the game enough to keep playing while training BS5, then removing the incentive to come back at all is a bad idea.
So name one MMO developer that lets your character progress while your account is frozen then?
This argument doesn't work in a MMO where character ability = time played.
Your WOW or WAR character can't progress while your account is unpaid.. but then again, you can't grind dread skills out in 3 weeks, either.
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Vitrael
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:10:00 -
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The long-standing argument against having a skill queue is that it could be used to ghost train for too long. If ghost training is going away, please at least give us a skill queue. It would be a particularly great help to the new player experience as we train short skill after short skill.
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Hertford
Ars ex Discordia GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Inanna Zuni News for Snarker. SUBSCRIBERS PAY.
People running 'ghost accounts' do not. They shouldn't benefit therefore!
People running 'ghost accounts' do indeed pay. Just not 100% of the time. If someone is paying for only 3 months out of every 6, they're still paying. Ghost Training isn't free, merely cheaper.
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Little help
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:10:00 -
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I think there might actually be some 'money' logic to it... after reading all the responses to this topic.
People mostly speak of quiting alt accounts, or to be precise, of selling them. So, let us count the number of characters over some SP limit, let us say 20m SP. Will they dissapear and remain in inactive acounts? No, they will probably be sold and somebody else will pay for them. (probably some new player who got isk by selling GTC and then use RL money to pay for subscription) If a new player invests money to get a decently skilled char, he is not likely to quit soon.
So actually CCP does make a lot of money by this move.
But on the other hand, if people would just quit, without selling their chairs, that would hurt CCP. But most people here seem to not be willing to go this far.
I know what I will do :)
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Vodon
Amarr
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:11:00 -
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Your doing it wrong...
Man you guys really need to work on how to distract people with shiny objects...
Try something like: Gains on inactive accounts like training and research points is ending on Wednesday but here is a shiny new skill queue for all active accounts. yay! rejoice!
Yeah, I know, the analysts are telling you but look a the EBITA upside, looks good on paper doesn't it? in reality people will just not reactivate as many of their accounts, lets face it money is getting tight world wide and you just handed a reason for players to cancel a few of their accounts permanently. Pure genius, who is the brain box behind this one?
On a final note you shouldn't insult the intelligence of the player base by saying this has anything to do with balancing.
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EyeCeeYou
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:11:00 -
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Originally by: jitasucks I'd say this was to do with iceland going down the shitter; quick guys, grab every little penny you can with your jewhands before it all goes **** up
Nice ...
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Capota
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:11:00 -
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Omg..this is a real bullshit , i gwess the CCP is not happy with all the money that they receive from the players and they decided to apply this ****ing strategy...
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Tolderan
Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:12:00 -
[236]
I dont want to read 10 pages of whining , but i hope it will come a skill queue for 1 skill, so we can skill after an other ;)
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Furb Killer
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Furb Killer on 13/10/2008 18:13:15
Quote: was already getting the feeling that CCP didn't even want me to play their game anymore
Intresting definition of 'playing' a game do you have there
Oh and if this change isnt going to happen i am going to cancel all my over 9000 accounts...
Deal with it, if you want to train your character you got to pay.
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Ayr Chron
Minmatar Insurgent New Eden Tribe Systematic-Chaos
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:12:00 -
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Edited by: Ayr Chron on 13/10/2008 18:14:01 I always kept my accounts active, both of them, so i think i'm ok with the change or i simply don't care enough.
Just give us the skill queue for god sakes though.
edit: however, i forgot to add: CCP, the reasons of the change that you gave are laughable, edit please, you'd come out better saying "we need more money", it's perfectly right and understandable :) -- - thank god i'm here. |
Jack Mancetti
Minmatar Rennfeuer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:13:00 -
[239]
Well...this offline training are the point why many ppl play the Game,especial older Players I dont see any point to remove this feature..and i mean thats the next step to bring down Eve-online for many Pilots. I'm against this!
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Trzzbk
Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.13 18:13:00 -
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Hypothetical situation:
Account A is training Amarr Cruiser V, and the account is inactive and unsubbed.
Account B is training Amarr Cruiser V, and the account is active and subbed.
How, exactly, it Account B putting in more "time and energy" than Account A? Oh that's right, it's because "time and energy" is a pretty transparent euphemism for "Money". Well done CCP, well done.
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