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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:23:00 -
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meh
still fail ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:28:00 -
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Edited by: Aganola on 13/10/2008 23:28:16 back:
at least they are a bit more honest now: "We figure out how to maximize our returns. "
"But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug."
two things:
1: something that has been IN the game for more than 4 years is not a bug anymore it's a feature
2: while being AFK you DO NOT provide any service for us... API update is disabled (EVEMON anyone?), can't log on, can't do jack just to watch a JavaScript timer count down to zero... that is 'A' service?
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:36:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Ivor Gunn
Originally by: Avon If you weren't paying for them all at the same time anyway, who cares?
Becauise now it'll go from 4 accounts active for 6 months of the year to 1 account active at the most. Best case scnario is that CCP have halved their income from that player.
To use the analogy from the blog: snowflakes. expand that to 1000 players and ccp's income has just taken a sizable hit.
A loophole that CCP devs have referred to as a feature...
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167
excerpt:
Quote: EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.
This bonus comes at the cost of only being able to train one character at a time per account.
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Aganola on 13/10/2008 23:40:28 you mean this one too?
edit: too late for ninja edit!
saved pasted printed and showed... hello law suite! XD ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 -
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posting it again just to **** them off:
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167
excerpt: Quote: Quote: EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.
This bonus comes at the cost of only being able to train one character at a time per account.
and the source of the second one: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
scroll down a bit you'll find it just below the two blue tables ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:04:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Rofl.
49 page thread didn't need to be locked just because you guys posted a dev blog (something you should've done first, btw). After all, the dev blog is basically "get stuffed".
Is there some new tangent for us to discuss in this shiny clean thread?
just this: OFFICIAL dev blog:
Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.
EVEN MORE OFFICIAL PLAYER GUIDE:
source: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
scroll down a bit you'll find it just below the two blue tables ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
lol
use it! spread it! let them HEAR IT / SEE IT / FEAR IT! :D ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:33:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh Wrangler, ur so meta.
lol... just... lol... spread the word by the way:
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.16 17:55:00 -
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I know my post will drown in the topic nonetheless I feel compelled to say this:
Help me calculate a 1 year subscription for an alt:
1: pre GTC nerf: 8 x 1 month GTC + 8 x 14 days ghost training 8 x 15$ = 120$
2: post GTC nert (pre ghost nerf): 4 x 2 month GTC + 4 x 14 days ghost training 4 x 35$ = 140$
3: post ghost nerf: 6 x 2 month GTC 6 x 35$ = 210$
And this DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PAYMENT (+210$!!) FOR THE REAL CHARACTER!!!!
So basicly the cost of maintaining an alt doubled over the course of ONE year!
Lot of people cannot keep up with this (myself included)...
So this is the whine about... not just the screw over... :P
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: Aganola on 16/10/2008 18:08:36
Originally by: Tae'Lin Hynd Edited by: Tae''Lin Hynd on 16/10/2008 18:01:00
Originally by: Aganola I know my post will drown in the topic nonetheless I feel compelled to say this:
Help me calculate a 1 year subscription for an alt:
1: pre GTC nerf: 8 x 1 month GTC + 8 x 14 days ghost training 8 x 15$ = 120$
2: post GTC nert (pre ghost nerf): 4 x 2 month GTC + 4 x 14 days ghost training 4 x 35$ = 140$
3: post ghost nerf: 6 x 2 month GTC 6 x 35$ = 210$
And this DOES NOT EVEN INCLUDE THE PAYMENT (+210$!!) FOR THE REAL CHARACTER!!!!
So basicly the cost of maintaining an alt doubled over the course of ONE year!
Lot of people cannot keep up with this (myself included)...
So this is the whine about... not just the screw over... :P
Thank you
so like 6 bil isk costs 210 bucks?
Next math you need to figure out, is how much a character costs per skill point in real world value
Learn to write next time... I can't see if you are positive or negative to my post!
This is the real world price of the gtc as you can see here: http://www.shatteredcrystal.com/code.php/eve_online
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.16 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Mickey Simon I'm somewhat interested in how "ghost training" actually creates more work for the CCP server.
I believe that the way training currently works is thus:
Your character has a DB entry that lists the SP they have in every skill, along with the skill they are currently training, and when that skill was set. When you are logged in, the client calculates how many SP approximately you've got, and how long to go until you've finished training to that skill based on current SP versus needed SP for the skill. When you reach 100% it contacts the server and tells the server to check the skill up and long story short, the database entries are updated and the current skill removed. That's why we can't queue skill training - because the architecture only supports 1 skill.
That's how I see it happenening, as to have the CCP server look after every single skill in training is ridiculous.
If that is the case, then how exactly does having someone ghost train impact the server in any way shape or form? When an account is inactive, you don't delete it. You keep it. There's no difference in information between a character ghost training, and one not.
So, what's the real reason? Or am I completely mistaken about the techncial aspects of skill training?
it's even simpler than that...
If they did it right (and I belive they did, they are not THAT bad at coding ) the ONLY - repeat - ONLY data there is, is the DATE OF SKILL FINISH...
no nifty calculations (only calculates once, when starting... - this is why you have to STOP the training before you plug in another implant... it recalculates the data THEN) just a date...
wich cunsumes like... 1k of data(STORAGE)... so If they told you that this impacts on their server, they were lying... |
Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.16 19:26:00 -
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Originally by: Seth Vorlar
Originally by: Niheim Brandt This just in...
"As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost posting". Ghost Posting was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue posting on the forums. While this allowed players to voice their concerns on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.
ISD Forum Team: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.
CCP Oveur: Grrrreat.
CCP Wrangler: So, uh, the players have been banned?
ISD Forum Team: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So they won't be posting anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
CCP Fallout We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ROFLKOPTER (I nearly shit in my pant¦s when reading this)
nice fake... but if it's true then it's even nicer... :P |
Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.16 20:18:00 -
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Originally by: ViolenTUK This thread isn’t visible through the main forum. We were told that they didn’t know why this had happened. WE DON’T BELIEVE YOU! Most will tell you that this is a lie.
LIKE read this::
Originally by: Niheim Brandt This just in...
"As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost posting". Ghost Posting was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue posting on the forums. While this allowed players to voice their concerns on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.
ISD Forum Team: So we just went ahead and fixed the glitch.
CCP Oveur: Grrrreat.
CCP Wrangler: So, uh, the players have been banned?
ISD Forum Team: Well, just a second there, professor. We, uh, we fixed the *glitch*. So they won't be posting anymore, so it'll just work itself out naturally.
CCP Fallout We always like to avoid confrontation, whenever possible. Problem is solved from your end.
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:12:00 -
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Just gonna post something... related... :D
IT's been posted here by the OP, but since this thread has grown over 156 pages I really cannot search for it now... :P
The ghost training wall for all your love: http://i38.tinypic.com/1jmhbs.jpg
And for the nerds who are to nerds what nerds are to normal people:
http://i38.tinypic.com/eqq9dx.jpg
Enjoy my love! :D
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:27:00 -
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Originally by: Procurator Ultio
Originally by: Dhunter BTW, it was never called “ghost training” until just now when they decided to nerf it. That’s part of the PR spin. “Ghost training” makes it sound mildly sneaky and illegitimate. In the 5+ years I’ve been intensively participating in Eve they’ve shot themselves in both feet a number of times. Their sleazy PR and spin and playing games with threads has become pretty solid evidence to me that they are corrupt and untrustworthy.
I’m not at all sure that this faux pas will be the final nail in their coffin, but I’m not the only one in their Forums to express the opinion that I’d be willing to see Eve go away if it would be the price of seeing CCP punished by going out of business. Eve, a generally great MMOG, is severly tarnished by CCP’s low standard of ethics and attitude. The management folks who made this happen should be fired on the spot. Unfortunately, in inbred Iceland, they won’t be.
Nice move, bozo, copying my post from another MMOG forum but failing to attribute it.
OMG! "inbred" ...
does this meen they have been doing...
in-cest???
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 19:44:00 -
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Originally by: Affaire DuCommerce
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Procurator Ultio
Originally by: Dhunter BTW, it was never called “ghost training” until just now when they decided to nerf it. That’s part of the PR spin. “Ghost training” makes it sound mildly sneaky and illegitimate. In the 5+ years I’ve been intensively participating in Eve they’ve shot themselves in both feet a number of times. Their sleazy PR and spin and playing games with threads has become pretty solid evidence to me that they are corrupt and untrustworthy.
I’m not at all sure that this faux pas will be the final nail in their coffin, but I’m not the only one in their Forums to express the opinion that I’d be willing to see Eve go away if it would be the price of seeing CCP punished by going out of business. Eve, a generally great MMOG, is severly tarnished by CCP’s low standard of ethics and attitude. The management folks who made this happen should be fired on the spot. Unfortunately, in inbred Iceland, they won’t be.
Nice move, bozo, copying my post from another MMOG forum but failing to attribute it.
OMG! "inbred" ...
does this meen they have been doing...
in-cest???
inbred |= incest
lol thx!
Since english is not my native laguage I mix up words...
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 22:15:00 -
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Originally by: ZeCamerone I gotta say that I was on the verge of cancelling my subscription anyways, I was getting burned out after just 3 months of playing. This little slap in the face will probably warrant a permanent break from EvE.
just 3 months??
Then you'll lose nothing! :P
We - who play this for more than a year - feel the "ghost train" blow a lot harder!
By the way: did you all know WHY we have 3 THREE slots in an account???
That is right!
Because back in beta all three slots could train a character! All at full speed!
Then the nerfed this
Flame war began...
Then they instituted this "bug" - as they call it now - to keep us happy...
We were happy (even though our abilities got nerfed 1/3rd!)
4 year later they think it is a bug... - give me a break!
Flame war began again but this time CCP got support from players who do not know Jack about this game (they didn't even knew this bug existed for Christ sake!), they just pay for an play it a 50% capacity... :P
Some cry out for the unjust things that happened here but some say "hush! or they take even this away! and so the majority keeps quiet even though they should not" and thus they achieve now what they could not in beta...
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.20 22:49:00 -
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Originally by: Gunnanmon I just reactivated a "ghost-training" account.
Evemon says it had 1d5h to go. In game, the skill has stopped, it had 4d16h left. Basically DT on Friday is when it stopped.
just dropped-by in that thread tooo to post my oppinion!
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