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Triksterism
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Posted - 2008.10.14 03:21:00 -
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LOOK @ THE CHART!
Steady until now. Can't wait to see what happens to the chart in a week to a month. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:09:00 -
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I would like to compare this to ice cream. Ice cream is delicious, this is not. Fin. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:20:00 -
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Originally by: Cosy Ceaon
Originally by: Zinnn chaktil a ban would mean they'd have to be paying attention to this thread....
lets slashdot this then
And slashdot we shall good sir.
Has CCP even thought of the backlash prior to letting this out? I mean wont all this 'rabble rabble' turn new players away? Hrm. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: noc D ...
no need to telling huge LIE ccp. respect to new rules... but no lies pls.
this decision gonna push illegal activities like character selling for real money and using macros.
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Yeah, I thought about that myself. People bailing and, since they wont be playing EvE anymore, won't care about ISK, so they'll dump their crafted characters onto eBay and the like. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:29:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Haldane Fisher Maybe the part were it was listed as feature and not a bug?
That was merely descriptive and certainly doesn't mean it was an intended mechanic. Did you really expect that the guide would say "Oh yeah, and we screwed up the skill training stuff with inactive accounts, please pretend we didn't." ?
Okay, so, say it wasn't intended, which I believe it wasn't. Still, they ran with it and used it to suck in a lot of subscribers. Then, oh! All of the sudden we're going to take it away. Sorry folks! Gee whiz I hope this wasn't an inconvenience or nuttin' ! Shee yoot! ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:32:00 -
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Originally by: Chryosparce Pathetic.
You can't use something as a selling point and then claim its been a bug all along and still expect to maintain any credibility.
I'm not bothered so much by the removal of ghost training (though it does suck) as I am by CCPs obvious lies.
Truthy McThruthenstein.
Agree 100%. This is my main gripe about what is going on. I only ghost trained once, maybe twice so it really isn't going to effect me too much. Though it was nice to know it was there, incase I wanted to stroll away from EvE for a bit.
Hell, I did the unthinkable. I set Minmatar Cruiser to train to 5 and I went and played a trial of WoW with some buddies. A great break (though WoW loses its charm very very quickly). I had something to come back to (Hooray Rapier and Sleipnir) ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:37:00 -
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Originally by: Haldane Fisher
Originally by: Ava Baby Edited by: Ava Baby on 14/10/2008 04:33:43 Like many people, I have more than one account. Yes I've used "ghost training" for a number of reasons. However, I do not relay on it.
1) I just don't have the money to re-up an account so I set a long skill until I do.
2) I'll be gone for extended periods of time. (ie travel)
3) See #1
It is a nice feature to have and I'm sad to see it go after so long.
But on page 27* does it really matter?
Not really I'm afraid.
The only way to really get something done about this is the do a mass unsubscribe. I very much doubt it would actually happen, but it ought to work. If people could convince their corps/alliances to take a break for a month...
True, but like you said, good luck getting that in motion. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:52:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 04:53:59
Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf
Originally by: Alexander Ronay
I took a fairly long hiatus from the game (at least it was to me) And knowing that when I came back, I would have a nice long skill out of the way encouraged me to come back. Without that extra incentive, I may not have come back at all.
I feel that many of the older players agree which leads to...
Originally by: INF Wonderwoman Edited by: INF Wonderwoman on 14/10/2008 04:46:39
Originally by: Zabaticus It's a very simple and beautiful concept; No pay, no play, then no training. Let's hope they kill the other "Ghosts" with malice.
Zabaticus
I wonder how long people who are against this have been playing. I'm sorry but if you have only been playing for a year or less you have no idea. When you hit 3 to 4 years and get to the FEW very long skills (carrier 5, capitol 5, ....) you would have loved being able to take advantage of this. To pay 30 USD just to get carrier 5.... its stupid.
PS. Yes this is an alt, because my main is "Ghost Training" carrier 5 right now, lucky for me I only have 9 days left. Had I not gotten this skill I would not be coming back.
A good point. It would be interesting to know the in-game age of the people supporting the removal of 'ghost training' and the people who are against the removal.
So, for those of you who are for this removal of 'ghost training' -- Why? It's not like you can't do it all the same as the rest of the players in EvE. Anyone can ghost train so perhaps I fail to see the 'imbalance' -- Not to mention ghost training really isnt hurting anyone, it simply isn't squeezing as much money as possible out of everyone but it DOES make A LOT of people happy (or at least content) and hence, they stay subbed. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 04:59:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Triksterism
So, for those of you who are for this removal of 'ghost training' -- Why? It's not like you can't do it all the same as the rest of the players in EvE. Anyone can ghost train so perhaps I fail to see the 'imbalance' -- Not to mention ghost training really isnt hurting anyone, it simply isn't squeezing as much money as possible out of everyone but it DOES make A LOT of people happy (or at least content) and hence, they stay subbed.
Age? I'm 30, what does that tell you? And I'm against Ghost Training. I know what you mean but you will find people of all ages for and against it, though from your post I get the hint you're saying younger players are more prone to be for it than older players.
Ghost training does cost CCP money because you pay for one month, set skill, disable account, log in three weeks later, change skill, disable account. A one month time card could last months this way and, I agree with CCP, it is not good for business.
I will repeat myself again. The problem of the majority of the posters is not about Ghost Training but about the lies spun by CCP.
I believe it was in-game age that was mentioned. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:00:00 -
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Originally by: SkwisgaarSkwigelf
Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Triksterism
So, for those of you who are for this removal of 'ghost training' -- Why? It's not like you can't do it all the same as the rest of the players in EvE. Anyone can ghost train so perhaps I fail to see the 'imbalance' -- Not to mention ghost training really isnt hurting anyone, it simply isn't squeezing as much money as possible out of everyone but it DOES make A LOT of people happy (or at least content) and hence, they stay subbed.
Age? I'm 30, what does that tell you? And I'm against Ghost Training. I know what you mean but you will find people of all ages for and against it, though from your post I get the hint you're saying younger players are more prone to be for it than older players.
Ghost training does cost CCP money because you pay for one month, set skill, disable account, log in three weeks later, change skill, disable account. A one month time card could last months this way and, I agree with CCP, it is not good for business.
I will repeat myself again. The problem of the majority of the posters is not about Ghost Training but about the lies spun by CCP.
I thought it was age of toon ingame, not RL age... maybe I was wrong
No, you read it correctly, he did not. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:06:00 -
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Originally by: INF Wonderwoman
Originally by: Juntar Solarwind Adapt and overcome. Get over it already and move on. Either pay to play or let your accounts lapse and don't come back. Pretty simple if you stop and think about it.
Yes, just step aside and let the "government" do what they want... This is a player based game and we have the right to say whats good or not. If you get someone in office that wants to blow up all of Asia, do you say adapt and overcome,just get over it? .... stupid.
That is something a lot of people don't realize. Who makes the game what it is? The players. Who should the company listen to when they want to improve things to keep people paying and playing? The players. I'm not one for just sitting back and "oh whatever, I'll just adapt! Hurf durf!" -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:12:00 -
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Originally by: Liranan
Originally by: Triksterism
No, you read it correctly, he did not.
LOL speak of misunderstanding!! I r Idiot!1!
Hi AVA!!!!
What? The person I quoted read my post correctly. The other person he referred to did not. Perhaps I should have switched the comma for a period. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:23:00 -
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Originally by: Annaphera Triksterism - judging by the responses in this thread, I'm reconsidering the wisdom of arguing the point here at all. Everyone, on both sides and myself included, seems to be seeing only what they want to see, and more or less has their opinion set in stone.
Just for your edification, however, I'll say it again:
1) CCP actually admitted it's partly a cash flow issue. I don't think they were prepared for this level of backlash, else they might not have done it, but I for one am in favor of giving them more security in some pretty nasty financial times. They came out and admitted it, as many people said they should, and got very little of the promised (in the 50-page forum thread) understanding. 2) I'm shocked it was ever in the game at all to allow people freebies like that. I'm not shocked they want to close the loophole. While I'm saddened to see them move towards the industry standard, I'm not at all surprised or outraged. 3) No matter what people seem to think, there IS a balance issue involved. Newer players don't have 45-day skills to train, and so must maintain a sub or go without training. Only the very skilled characters gain any real benefit, making the "perk" that "anyone can use" a bit lop-sided. So, someone working on Dreadnought 5 gets to not pay for two months, while newer players must pay. I know there are a few things that newer characters can get, but the benefits are slight, as they will wind up with no isk at the end if they take a similar period off. To underline it, I watched people in a former corp do exactly that, while I changed skills every few days at most. 4) I do think CCP dropped the ball on the style of the announcement. However, at this point I find myself (childishly, I admit) unwilling to bend because some people are so flipping outraged that CCP DARES to change something that - despite protests to the contrary - was never used by CCP to sell the game, nor promised as a feature. I've also been called names for daring to hold a minority opinion, which always puts my back up.
Now...I'm not taking part any longer, because nothing is really being accomplished here. No one is going to change their minds, and no one who needs to hear these sides is probably going to be able to plow through all this and keep sane. Good luck and sorry to see you go to all who are quitting...and everyone else, see you in game.
They removed the 'snowflake' reference in the devblog. Interesting. At any rate I appreciate your maturity in the post.
However, in your third part, you say it is unbalanced for newer players. Okay, but everyone was a new player at...well, seems Gig beat me to the point. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:28:00 -
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BEHOLD! THE GHOST TRAIN! ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:34:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 05:34:13
Originally by: Lysander Kaldenn This has been a long time coming. I paided for BC V and recon V. Why should you get to train them for free?
You had the option to ghost train them. You chose to pay for those months, some people didn't ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:46:00 -
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Originally by: Alexander Ronay
Originally by: Carsidava 31 pages and no replies. 49 pages in the other thread, and only a devblog filled with lies. I post again:
Nope, sorry. This doesn't wash.
If you disable skill training for inactive accounts, why aren't you also disabling market orders from inactive accounts? Why aren't you also disabling RP accumulation from inactive accounts? Why aren't you disabling dividend payouts to inactive accounts?
Why are only skill points being hit?
Sorry CCP, this is an entirely unsatisfactory answer.
Heh, well maybe they figured out they ****** their PR when they posted the dev blog like they did. Maybe they're giving their response a little more thought this time?
Perhaps we'll get another humorous reference to snowflakes. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:49:00 -
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Originally by: Mymh Heretache CCP; I was backing you guys up in the original thread, was expecting this dev blog to mention the financial aspects on the game in long term when players are ghosttraining.
What you presented here, database load? That's nothing short of disappointing. I still think we players been "lucky" this bug existed for so long, and we have benefited from a mistake of yours, no doubt about it. But when fixing it you treated it really poorly. Announcement two days before the fix. Dev blog one day before the fix. And a poor argumentation behind it as well. You lost my support on this matter, doesn't help that you're right, it's merely about how you treat your customers.
Snowflakes man! Snowflakes!
Originally by: wide Just to further illustrate how bad the dev blog's argument really is:
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Lets say a snow flake weighs 0.003 grams; there are 250,000 Eve accounts: 250,000 x 0.000003kg = 0.75kg.
Only the Icelandic elves could call that an avalanche.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 05:56:00 -
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Originally by: Delos Harriman
Originally by: Triksterism
Snowflakes man! Snowflakes!
My proposal for the first medal instituted in-game.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:06:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Kallisto Black We know this has always been a known feature of the game, prominently explained in your very OWN game guide explaining how skill training works.
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
That was true when written. It is still true.
Very soon they will change it and I'm sure they'll change the guide too.
Where's the lie?
Though it pains me, I feel I should say this before someone else does....*sigh* the cake is a lie.
I apologize. ---------------------------------------
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:44:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Gregorius Decimus Calling that ex-feature "a bug" is the most craziest thing, that I've ever heard in EvE... You've deployed that feature form the begining..
Not exactly true. As pointed out previously in this very thread this "feature" was discovered, not intended. Yes it has remained unaddressed for a long time but that doesn't make it any less of an accident.
C'mon Cat, be real. If they really thought bad of this from day 1, then they would not or at least should not have promoted it as a feature. Plain 'ol bullshit tbh. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:56:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Triksterism C'mon Cat, be real. If they really thought bad of this from day 1, then they would not or at least should not have promoted it as a feature. Plain 'ol bullshit tbh.
I don't think they thought this was bad from day 1, or at least not bad enough to worry about. (Of course, I also don't ever remember seeing them promote it as a feature.) What I think is that it was an accident, didn't really seem to present much of a problem, and so they let it slide. Now that it it starting to be a pain in the butt (or once somebody noticed just how much it's being exploited) they are fixing it.
That is a bit BS. They didn't give a rat's ass until Iceland got all debt'ed up.
Originally by: Elisa Day What the hell is wrong with you people? Complaining about not being able to play the game while not paying? THE HORROR. I always considered dark training a bit iffy, personally, and I definitely will NOT be canceling any accounts I wasn't paying for in the first place!
I proudly support CCP 100% in this course of action!
There does need to be a RL e-mail reminder when your GTC time is about to expire, though.
Playing while not playing? Hardly. More like letting the clock tick while you're away from home doing other things. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 06:58:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 06:59:04 Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 06:58:17
Originally by: Terail Zoqial It's about freaking time, hell, it's bad enough without the macro's that we have a bunch of free loaders using bandwidth we pay for. Hope the whining carebears leave tbh.
So, the bandwidth isn't paid for by the $ from carebears and macros as well? I guess their money goes to a special place. QQ, I feel unspecial!
Also, people ghost training doesn't use bandwidth FYI. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:05:00 -
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Originally by: Elisa Day I don't remember this outrage the last time they said they were fixing this, what's changed now?
I'm also noticing that most people in this thread are 1. people with no tickers or 2. Goonswarm. What's up?
I have a ticker. >:(
Most people are afraid to post with their mains for some odd reason. One of my friends simply can't post with his main as it is currently ghosting (5 days left, grats to him). -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:14:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Triksterism That is a bit BS. They didn't give a rat's ass until Iceland got all debt'ed up.
Iceland's economy is in trouble. We, however, pay for our Eve subscriptions in Dollars and Euros which have just skyrocketed in comparison to Iceland's currency. So the plummeting ISK makes our payments to CCP worth more, and more, and more.
What's you're doing is making the post hoc ergo propter hoc mistake. That is assuming that because thing 1 happens after thing 2 therefore thing 1 was caused by thing 2. It's also pretty silly to think that this decision is going to result in an immediate and significant cash infusion of the time needed to "fix" a catastrophic economic crash.
Much more likely that they did give a rat's ass for some time and just didn't mention it to you.
The CCP employees live in Iceland, it's quite relative. Not to mention the blog even stated this was a financial endeavor. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 07:26:00 -
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Originally by: Medusa d'Mon Thanks CCP.
I've being playing and paying for this game non stop on 2 accounts since EA pulled the plug on EnB and I'm currently on 4 accounts. I put 3 accounts into 'ghost training' a week ago for various RL reasons including financial restraints and you choose now to make the change.
I was looking forward to logging onto 2 chars with Caldari BS5 1 month later (yes, just 1 month). I can't change my current RL financial situation and nor will you. I guess as there is no good reason to re-susbcribe after my months break, I will probably leave it another month and save myself an extra few pennies. I won't be re-activating all 4 accounts either. I'm sure you will understand.
I know CCP is based in the country with the highest per-capita number of financial experts out of all the volcanic island living nations with populations lower than 5mil, so I guess this move of yours must have been thought out by financial wizards.
Ahaha, gave me a chuckle with the "Financial wizards"
So here you go.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:36:00 -
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Wow, I wake up and this thread has increased by about 25 pages :O -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 -
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Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.
I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.
However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mika Katon
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Lord Fitz If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.
I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.
However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module.
Exactly.
I was planning on taking a month off to catch up on fixing the fence and getting some chores around the house done, and I was looking forward to resubscribing with Heavy Drones V complete. Now? I'm just staying unsubscribed.
Now, I think most people don't even ghost train regularly. They do it when they simply want to take a break. I, myself, have only ghost trained once (Minmatar Cruiser V -- I needed a break from EvE).
I don't know, I feel it is silly they are removing this. I feel it might give them a huge influx of cash (people activating alt accounts + character transfer fees) but after that, no extra steady income. A percentage of people who use alts will have reduced their account 'count' to about 1 instead of 3 or so. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:22:00 -
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Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus omfg. Bloody bad news to me :) It was exactly what kept this game fresh for most of us old players. We could take a month off the game, knowing that when we came back the game would have something new to offer. Lol i guess next time i freeze my accounts, I'll think 3times whether to return :) @CCP: I'm sure your financial team has a good reason for the change. It'd be nice if Wrangler could offer in his dev blog somewhat less ambigous information (or some numbers) to indicate the "avalanche" size.
/me turns wishful mode off :)
Regards, V.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:34:00 -
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Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap.
Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?
it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...
Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it. - Ghost Train & Snowflake
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:43:00 -
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Originally by: Jel Ting
Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap.
Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHEN DOES TRAINING A LONG SKILL MAKE YOUR CHARACTER UNABLE TO UNDOCK?
Everyone acts like OMG what do I do while BS 5 is training? Fracking play the mother fracking game you morons!!! Jesus!! Oh no I can't go run a mission I don't have my BS 5 trained, my mining lasers don't work either! Why can't I undock while I have a skill training? Curse you CCP! Oh wait, no everything sems to be working just fine.
You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:47:00 -
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Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus Perhaps allow ghost training for 25 - 30% the monthly fee?
V.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 14:50:16
Originally by: Wygg
Originally by: Triksterism You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
The converse is Why should you get Carrier V without paying for it?
$30 for Carrier V, don't think many people would train it if they had to pay for it. Those cap skills are quite lengthy at level 5. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:51:00 -
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Originally by: Virgo I'Platonicus nice carrier pic :)
Ghost train! :D -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:54:00 -
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Originally by: Signaldog
Originally by: Triksterism Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 14:50:16
Originally by: Wygg
Originally by: Triksterism You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
The converse is Why should you get Carrier V without paying for it?
$30 for Carrier V, don't think many people would train it if they had to pay for it. Those cap skills are quite lengthy at level 5.
I still just don't get it...you are paying to PLAY, not to learn a skill. CCP screwed up when they did this, only because of HOW they did it.
I don't know about you, but if I were to train carrier to 5, the length of the skill would be nagging at the back of my head a lot. Everytime I log in "Dammit! 64 days, grrr!" -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:59:00 -
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Originally by: Karina Mei It's not even really what they've done, it's the way it's been done that seems to have got a lot of people annoyed. Blaming it on "database issues" etc was a bit lame IMHO.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Ratio Legis
Originally by: Aenemah
Originally by: Triksterism
Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
This.
In fact I know a lot of long time players who ghost-train much and only return from time to time to check on the new toys they trained while they were away. For most of them returning to Eve is motivated almost solely by the ability to play around with new things until they get bored again and take another break. For such people having to pay full time for an account they only sporadically use would not be a viable option. I will not go as far to suggest that forcing them out of the game will amount to a huge financial loss to CCP since I have no idea how many such players there are out there, though if I had to hazard a guess I'd put most people who have stuck around since game launch in this category. However it is a factor to be considered. Personally I know I'd hate to see them gone from the game, at least not as a result of an unambiguous profiteering act by CCP.
Very true. Got me thinking that ghost training for the kind of people who are just on-off-on-off seems rather fair. I mean, they barely play in the first place, so they train a skill, reactivate, play around for a few days, break again. $15 for a few days and a countdown clock for another month or so seems fair to me considering no bandwidth is wasted.
Again, I was refering to the niche of people Ratio mentioned, not everyone who ghost trains. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:09:00 -
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Originally by: Jel Ting
Originally by: Mriss
Originally by: Jel Ting
So once again play the game, dont power level without paying. If you want to train and do whatever fine, just now you have to pay like the rest of us.
Never ever heard of anybody who could "train and do whatever" without actually paying.
Are you actually missing the whole point here.
I don't think so... Train and play, train and don't play that is the whatever, go jack-off to Marcia Brady whatever floats your canoe. I don't think getting something that other people pay for at a discount is fair. Hell I'll go on the record again and say I think this whole alt thing is out of hand, some day it will be 2 guys playing Eve and 30K toons logged in. I say they should get rid of alts and have 3 pricing packages, One for one trainable character per account, another price with 2 trainable characters per account and a 3rd option with all 3 characters able to train concurrently. However you can only have one logged in at a time. And skill queueing of course. I'm sick of guys with 10 alts frankly, I want to play with other people and depend on them for scouting etc. Not some guy with lots of cash and and 10 alts mining in 0.0 with scouts in adjacent systems. At this rate Eve will be 1 guy with 30k alts in 5 years :p
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
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Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Triksterism
You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
Great. Let them take a break from Eve. And like any other service, they get NONE of the benefits the paying customers do while they are gone! Everyone acts like this was an entitlement...that you should be entitled to some perk without paying. Bullcookies.
Oh, and yet again...the flippin' game manual is NOT a promotion! I'd also like to see a survey that asks people's primary reason for starting to play Eve - while I'd bet that offline skill gain would make the top three, I'd lay money that inactive skill gain wouldn't. Or maybe people are bigger parasites than I want to believe...
Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
The thing here though, Annaphera, is that people can still train a skill but the trade off is they can't play without paying. Unfortunatly there are those who abuse it to farm isk. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 15:22:02
Originally by: Alleneara
Originally by: Triksterism Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
Yup, in WoW the rested XP (allowing XP gain from mobs at twice the usual amount for a maximum of up to 1,5 levels, which takes 10 days of being in an inn or city to reach) accumulates when game time has run out.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: CowsCANBark
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube How many people here are actually going to terminate their character in protest rather then just cancel, an action that is easily reversible ?
Seeing as how they took down account management, zero.
He means deleting your character as opposed to canceling your account.
You are able to delete your character after logging into the game itself. -
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:38:00 -
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Originally by: Kalmanaka When you walk into a store and they offer you a free piece of candy from a bowl, it's okay to take one. If you take half the bowl then you better expect them to take it away. If you cry about it then you're just beyond pathetic.
I personally hope every single person that's crying over a lost freebie that got abused actually does leave. Go play WoW where you belong. Less lag for me.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:58:00 -
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Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 15:58:08
Originally by: BIind
Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special.
UO was like this.
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Originally by: Seth Ruin Edited by: Seth Ruin on 14/10/2008 16:00:19
Originally by: BIind
Originally by: Emerald Cortess So for example u gain SP in gunnery when activating a gun to a ship. Or u get better in the EM-Compensation-Skill when u have fitted a EM-Hardener and someone is shooting u with EM-Missiles. As far as i know, this would be the first mmorpg using such system and it would make EVE very very special.
UO was like this.
Yeah... And UO is doing so well now compared to back then! http://mmogdata.voig.com/voig/ContentList/MMOGDATA/Charts/7.ViewChart?aLanguage=en-us&a5Years=Y
Edit: clicky
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Posted - 2008.10.14 17:18:00 -
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Originally by: Seviere
Originally by: Erimisha
Originally by: Kekyana Why does this thread no longer show up?
Why is CCP getting rid of it? This is an OUTRAGE. not only did they LIE to us, they keep removing posts ABOUT the player's guide and now they are trying to HIDE this entire thread.
what the heck is going on over there?
Threads temporarily 'disappear' as they're being scrubbed/modded.
What is really funny is that I've read almost every page in this thread and really wonder why some of the posts were REMOVED (not moderated but outright REMOVED). I'm talking posts without any cursing, no name calling and nothing even remotely inflamatory/against the rules. This thread has been downright civil compared to what goes in C&P, CAoD and even the Market Discussion forum yet this thread has seen more moderation than those 3 forums combined in the past month..
Probably want to cut the thread short a few pages... so it doesn't look so embarassing for them
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Posted - 2008.10.14 19:38:00 -
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Originally by: God Chaser Their economy collapsed and they are trying to stay above water. When your money loses so much of its value your in trouble and so they found a way to generate new revenue.
But it isn't really going to do that. It'll probably get them a burst of $$ but it will be a temporary, very short lived amount from the people reactivating accounts to xfer characters or sell them off. After that, less accounts, less $$ -
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Originally by: Promethian child Now buying chars 100 isk per piece
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Originally by: Julius Kashmir
Originally by: ISIAM Okey all, my Time draws near. Copy what I have said, put it everywhere or write your own oratory. But, what ever you do, don't stop till they get the message or Iceland sinks. Viva La Revolution'
I may not have flown w/ you in-game but I can say it would have been a pleasure ISIAM as I can see we have the same style as aparent from your post here. If you log on again in-game message me an email:P o.0 so instead lets part together from this once great game now deprived of care and be rid of this once and for all.
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