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Balcura
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:23:00 -
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I normally have no issues with a great deal of the changes as I have been around for a lot of them (3 years of continual play). I always have 1 or 2 account active at a time with a total of 5 account as I can't afford to keep all 5 active at any given time...
Looks like I will be consolidating my accounts (you'll see the immediate income) and then let 3 of the accounts completely die... This is a Hugh mistake on your part, you can make any changes you wish... but if you keep pushing the player base around with obvious BS that you posted you will pay for it.
I played SWG for about 3 years before I jumped into eve. I enjoy long term games, but as a company makes mistakes in creating something I am unwilling to play I will change games based on how the company treats its players...
Please keep in mind you have caused issues with GTC changes and with this change you will **** off more people (including myself). Don't try and pass that BS off on us, insulting our intelligence and expect us to just be fine with it.
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Mika Katon
Gallente The Greater Goon GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:23:00 -
[272]
Hell, if the problem is people unsubscribing for 30day skills, why not assign a dollar value to each day of skill training, and let people buy their level 5 skills with cash?
This whole proposal is about making people pay money to train skills, regardless of whether or not they play the game while they train. So just cut straight to the point and sell us X days of training for $X dollars.
Same godd amn result without all the bullshit.
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Iridius Fervus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:23:00 -
[273]
Originally by: Itzena
Originally by: Avon Hey, your bug...
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
I found it in the player guide.
You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though). " - CCP
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GO MaZ
The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:24:00 -
[274]
I think when your damage control posts get more angry trolling than the original thread you have to ask yourselves whether you're doing the right thing ---
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:24:00 -
[275]
Originally by: Biosman
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
The avalanche is definately gonna hit you ccp,wrecking for damage to your credibility now everyone can see that it is indeed part of a unique "feature" hence the RP gains earning isk.You do not have a leg to stand on and the only way to redeem yourselves is to backpedal on this unpopular idea pretty sharpish.
Tbh,I would have respected you more if you just said "Dear Eve users,ccp is having some difficulties atm with the global money crisis and unfortunately we need to raise the price a little,maybe for just a short period,to be able to bring you the service you deserve for all your years of loyalty"
This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid. There would have been a few grumbles, but what the hell - boxed single player games have gone up by rather more than this over the same period.
But flat out lying to us and then contradicting themselves with another lie...
...where's the respect, CCP?
When G.I.s shot themselves in the foot, it wasn't called a "million dollar wound" because they got a million dollars. I feel bad no-one explained this to you.
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Mael Duakal
Gallente Free-Space-Ranger Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:25:00 -
[276]
Edited by: Mael Duakal on 14/10/2008 00:27:10 Lieing is bad CCP... your mothers should have told you so...
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Denuo Secus
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:26:00 -
[277]
Omg, I just don't get it!
So much rage about this change? I pay for this game. Point. And offline skilling is part of the game.
Some people complain that they can't longer pay effectively one and a half account and evolve three or four chars for that money?! Forming a char is playing EVE imho.
And to call CCP greedy is really uncool. I know MMOs where you have to pay for every expansion! CCP spent 50 man-years in Trinity I heard? Did anyone pay an extra fee for that? Only one example...
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CowsCANBark
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:26:00 -
[278]
by the way when the value of iceland dollar decreases and they get a majority of their money in USD/ euro they should be doing much better than before.
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:27:00 -
[279]
Edited by: Niccolado Starwalker on 14/10/2008 00:28:15
Great work CCP!!! I have been waiting for this a long time!
I never understood why you people let who did not pay the game to earn skillpoints, which I had to pay 15 dollar for! So this is a very good move!
Originally by: Dianabolic Your tears are absolutely divine, like a fine fine wine, rolling down your cheeks until they flow down the river of LOL |
Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:27:00 -
[280]
Edited by: Jinx Barker on 14/10/2008 00:27:00
Originally by: Torfi Frans Olafsson As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost training". Ghost Training was an unintended feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this was a bug.
It should be noted that we're not changing offline skill training for active subscribers in any way. This change only affects those who do not have an active subscription.
Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things? Of course not. We're a company like everyone else, we make a game, that we happen to love making and for most of us is the passion of our lives. But it's also a company. We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it better.
Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions. We are gamers. We game the system. We figure out how to maximize our returns. There's no surprise that people have done this for the simple fact that it wasn't banned per se and also for the fact that it was possible. But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not fair towards CCP as a service provider and it's not fair towards other players that pay a subscription but don't make use of this bug.
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
We can look at this from a variety of angles, but it all comes down to:
There was a way to progress a character in EVE without an active subscription CCP noticed a surge in the trend and decided to fix the leak Players now have to pay a subscription for characters to have them progress We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
I have underlined the only sensible thing said. Basically you choose to ignore the "trend" for years, a few years back you even backed off when community went crazy, and now during an economic hardship for many of your players you slapping it on.
Guess what, the reason why you noticed a surge is because most people can not afford the subs on multiple accounts - which you CCP encouraged for years and years - you know that 30 Dollars a month would pay for 3 months of local phone service in most parts of the USA.
So, then discourage multi-accounting! Nice of you to do it shortly after you got bunch of suckers to sign up for the P^2 accounts before you announced that gem.
I have been saying this for a long time, ever since the "old" guard of the developers left active EVE online roles CCP customer service, CCP customer attunes, and general CCP attitude toward its player base has gone to shit.
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Majuan Shuo
Ashen Lion Mining and Production Consortium
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:27:00 -
[281]
Edited by: Majuan Shuo on 14/10/2008 00:39:29 My account ends in 4 days. I have recently changed my mind on renewing it in the future. I will not be doing so, it's off to Warhammer for me.
THAT being said, while I suspect CCP has just been caught in a bold faced lie, its entirely possible that the producer was just ill-informed. Because lets be honest, when do producers know a damned thing about the product in question? He may have very well thought it to be a bug when in fact it wasn't (as shown in the PLAYER GUIDE). However, it most CERTAINLY not a bug, it was a one of the features that attracted me to the game.
CCP, I really hope you guys don't think of your customers as idiots (as blizzard does); you all REALLY need to sit down and discuss this issue with one another.
* Based on the responses, do you really think the majority of the players see Ghost Training as unfair?
* Do you really REALLY think this will earn you more money in the long run? We are looking at a possible global financial crisis, which is a major factor in the canceling of accounts. Now if you take away a feature that was designed to bring people BACK, whats going to happen when the market fully rebounds?
* In the event you take the advise of your market base, do NOT half ass the change and put some penalty on the ghost training like some have said. You do not give a freedom, take it away, and only give half back. This will not SOLVE any but a MARGINAL amount of the dissent that has just been sown.
* Simply put: If you want to maintain the strongest possible player base regarding this announcment, just say you made a mistake, appologize, and do not change A THING.
"If it isn't broke, don't fix it." Owing to lack of Eve-related content, signature removed. If you would like to discuss this, please mail [email protected] - Mitnal |
Kim Wilde
Gallente Covenant
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:28:00 -
[282]
while needed to be removed for financiall reasons............. this feature of the game was one way of taking a vacation or a break while not loosing out, so introduce a skill queue so we know we wont be paying for a idle account while on vacation and id be happy
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Gut Punch
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:28:00 -
[283]
This is the same type of logic that CCP uses when they look at the speed nerf. Lets throw out the past and just do whatever now even though we established a system. Well screw you CCP. You definately can go down this road but the question is do you think you will be around post this and the nerf? Or do you prefer operating at the level of SWG?
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Danny Centurai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:28:00 -
[284]
So everyone who cancelled an EVE account is getting a Jumpgate Evolution account on day of release, ammirite :D.
I personally will no longer maintain all the accounts I do dropping it down, CCP fixed their 5 yo bug but nerfed their income.
'CCP hits self wrecking omg wtf pwnt damage'
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:28:00 -
[285]
Seriously heavy moderation in progress it seems.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:29:00 -
[286]
Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Biosman
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
The avalanche is definately gonna hit you ccp,wrecking for damage to your credibility now everyone can see that it is indeed part of a unique "feature" hence the RP gains earning isk.You do not have a leg to stand on and the only way to redeem yourselves is to backpedal on this unpopular idea pretty sharpish.
Tbh,I would have respected you more if you just said "Dear Eve users,ccp is having some difficulties atm with the global money crisis and unfortunately we need to raise the price a little,maybe for just a short period,to be able to bring you the service you deserve for all your years of loyalty"
This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid. There would have been a few grumbles, but what the hell - boxed single player games have gone up by rather more than this over the same period.
But flat out lying to us and then contradicting themselves with another lie...
...where's the respect, CCP?
When G.I.s shot themselves in the foot, it wasn't called a "million dollar wound" because they got a million dollars. I feel bad no-one explained this to you.
Again, agreed. Being honest from the start would have gotten you posts from people starting alt accounts to help you...instead you forced it the other way by lying.
I'm waiting for the "It's all a misunderstanding" blog to come out tomorrow...unfortunately the damage has been done and it'll take a lot more than appologies to repair that.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
ZeroGasam
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:29:00 -
[287]
Back to guild wars...
Please reconsider this CCP
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Duvaren
Amarr The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:29:00 -
[288]
Edited by: Duvaren on 14/10/2008 00:32:10
Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS CMON CCP GIVE US ONE STRAIGTH ANSWER!!! OH WAIT YOU DID IT AND FAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIILLLLLLLL
I THING SOME PPL GONA GET FIRED.. and is not becouse of your lies is becouse you have a lot of angry customers who quit and you need to pay the bills..
/signed
I have cancelled ONE account. My ONLY account.
I quit for a year before when I had a bug where my cap readout showed I had more cap than I actually had. (Desync) It took them three months to fix it and they send me an email. (After I'd had my account deactivated for 2.5 months.)
Then after a year I decided to return and found my wallet at -10mil ISK.
CCP's customer service is fail.
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Qlanth
Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:29:00 -
[289]
Aaahahahaha now you are just lying about it.
This is going to mean less money for you, and it will be funny when you find that out and reverse this.
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ArmyOfMe
Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[290]
Edited by: ArmyOfMe on 14/10/2008 00:30:07 feel free to transfer chars with 20+ mill sp from accounts you wont keep running to one of my accounts
never actually used the feature, and i can see why ccp does this. but the way they are doing it is completly wrong, but if they go through with this they should stop all market orders and rp gains on inactive accounts as well.
Originally by: deadmaus
Because by the time we had calmed Plague down after he heard BoB were back in the vicinity it was too late to do anything |
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Hickock
Caldari Einherjar Rising Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[291]
Can you all really not afford $15 for an account? You dont need 3-852319407120985 accounts. Cut down on your accounts and you wont be *****ing.
Maybe some of you SHOULD quit eve and get a job, then come back when you got teh moneh! --------------
Visit http://extremepredators.com/ for more information. |
DigitalCommunist
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[292]
Oh Wrangler, ur so meta.
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HarrytheBarstool
Caldari Ecky Thump Ltd
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[293]
Edited by: HarrytheBarstool on 14/10/2008 00:34:48 Edited by: HarrytheBarstool on 14/10/2008 00:33:03 Now for all us thick donkeys here's a translation from google ...
As many of you know by now, on Wednesday, Oct 15th, CCP will put out a server update disabling "ghost training". Ghost Training was a feature where unpaid accounts of EVE Online were able to continue training skills. While this allowed players to run multiple characters on a shoestring budget, in all effect, this lost us money.
It should be noted that we're not changing offline skill training for active subscribers in any way. This change only affects those who do not have an active subscription.
Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things? Of course it does. We're a company like everyone else, we make a game, that we happen to love making and for most of us is the passion of our lives. But it's also a company that is here to make money from poor suckers like you. We make a product, sell it, get salaries and then continue maintaining the product and making it slightly better or worse.
Now I'm saying that if me personally was at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be ****ed by CCP's actions because i make stupid amounts of money. We are gamers. We game the system. We figure out how to maximize our profits while shafting the ppl who pay our wages. There's no surprise that people have done this for the simple fact that it wasn't banned per se and also for the fact that we put that feature in. But recently we have seen a small increase in this behavior in a way that we were essentially supporting and maintaining a large number of customers that weren't paying us regular subscriptions. That's not on for CCP as a service provider.
Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers does not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
We can look at this from a variety of angles, but it all comes down to:
1. We remembered about a feature we could make more money from 2. CCP noticed a loss in subs. and decided to fix the leak 3. Players now have to pay us more for characters to have them progress
We truly hope that the community will not leave in droves through our shameful money grabbing actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making more money from it.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
Next time use google online bullshit translator as recommended by HarrytheBarstool.
*** Smoking Whippets Since 1967 *** |
Bane Glorious
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[294]
Still gotta say, I can't approve of this decision. And I especially don't care for the tone of this dev blog, it seems to aim to vilify people as if they were undermining CCP intentionally. Nevermind the reasons for the change, that's an abysmal attempt at public relations. |
Sanchez Ding
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:30:00 -
[295]
Just to say BS and i dont meen Battleship.....
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keuel
Gallente Heretic Militia
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:31:00 -
[296]
CCP, you Phail, hope this bad idea get postponed, and oh, you said bug? strange, this bug was in eve for 5 years and still.
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Lyria Skydancer
Amarr Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:32:00 -
[297]
Originally by: Malcanis
This. They haven't raised the price in 5 years. Saying, OK, well shit happens, costs have gone up and we need an extra buck a month from you all to make stuff carry on working, then fine. I'd have just paid.
Yeah, but right now they are making just the people with an army of accounts pay for it instead. Hey, better them then me. ----------------------------------------- [Video] Support Barrage |
Sanadis
Gallente Sphere Industries Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:32:00 -
[298]
It looks like CCP does not care enough about its customers to actually tell us why they straight up lied about all of this.
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Wod
Gallente Fallen Pandas
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:32:00 -
[299]
Originally by: DigitalCommunist Oh Wrangler, ur so meta.
- I like cookies |
Vitrael
Reaper Industries Eternal Rapture
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:32:00 -
[300]
You said you didn't want to add a skill queue because of Ghost Training.
With Ghost Training gone, any reason we can't have a skill queue?
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