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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:16:00 -
[3001]
Edited by: 10of10 on 15/10/2008 03:16:32 First on pg 100
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3002]
Originally by: Ice Dragons Edited by: Ice Dragons on 15/10/2008 03:14:03 Page 100 Get!!!!!!!
Edit:
Crap ; [
LOL
you lose.
I still think ccp is screwing the pooch
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Amarr Hyena
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3003]
I wonder if they will ever fix the thread...or if it will stay in its mysterious limbo state for the rest of eternity.
or is it a new feature?
cloaking Threadnaughts...sweet ------- ghost training Threadnaught V. Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive. |
SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3004]
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 15/10/2008 03:17:54
Originally by: Ice Dragons Edited by: Ice Dragons on 15/10/2008 03:14:03 Page 100 Get!!!!!!!
Edit:
Crap ; [
LOL
phail ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3005]
Originally by: Amarr Hyena I wonder if they will ever fix the thread...or if it will stay in its mysterious limbo state for the rest of eternity.
or is it a new feature?
cloaking Threadnaughts...sweet
they want it to stay hidden, the least amount of people that read this train wreck the better.
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Cosy Ceaon
Gallente Aliastra
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3006]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
if u do the same quote this
is a bug is a bug a buuuuuuuuuuuuug |
Dr Zakalwe
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:17:00 -
[3007]
Pfail Ice...
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:18:00 -
[3008]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 15/10/2008 03:17:54
Originally by: Ice Dragons Edited by: Ice Dragons on 15/10/2008 03:14:03 Page 100 Get!!!!!!!
Edit:
Crap ; [
LOL
phail
damn ninja edit while I was going to fail your for the failure of the link =(
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:20:00 -
[3009]
Edited by: James Marshalll on 15/10/2008 03:20:44
Originally by: Cosy Ceaon
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
snip if u do the same quote this
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
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Jinx Barker
GFB Scientific
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Shinzann 1. Why now? Why didn't you axe the feature/bug back when it was axed on Serenity? The truth would be greatly appreciated.
I can answer this easily, because then we actually had a dedicated and independent minded developer team that really cared about the players. Because back then, we still have had a few of the "old guard" left, who now have been moved to the "vampire" project specifically due to their dedication and sucsess in handling EVE and EVE related problems.
At this point we have all the noobie devs, who are so bloody scared of their own shadow that they can not recognize a bad decision when it is being made on the top, and are only capable of "enforcement" upon community at the behest of the purse holders. The "old devs" WERE THE BLOODY purse holders, and actually gave a damn, well, till the Vampire MMO came along. <<Click The Siggy For the Blog>>
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James Marshalll
Gallente
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:23:00 -
[3011]
Originally by: Jinx Barker
Originally by: Shinzann 1. Why now? Why didn't you axe the feature/bug back when it was axed on Serenity? The truth would be greatly appreciated.
I can answer this easily, because then we actually had a dedicated and independent minded developer team that really cared about the players. Because back then, we still have had a few of the "old guard" left, who now have been moved to the "vampire" project specifically due to their dedication and sucsess in handling EVE and EVE related problems.
At this point we have all the noobie devs, who are so bloody scared of their own shadow that they can not recognize a bad decision when it is being made on the top, and are only capable of "enforcement" upon community at the behest of the purse holders. The "old devs" WERE THE BLOODY purse holders, and actually gave a damn, well, till the Vampire MMO came along.
its too bad that CCP doesn't understand the bad press is only going to cause players to be weary of their new game.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente MAIDS
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:23:00 -
[3012]
Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 15/10/2008 03:25:05 Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 15/10/2008 03:24:37
Originally by: James Marshalll
Originally by: SSgt Sniper Edited by: SSgt Sniper on 15/10/2008 03:17:54
Originally by: Ice Dragons Edited by: Ice Dragons on 15/10/2008 03:14:03 Page 100 Get!!!!!!!
Edit:
Crap ; [
LOL
phail
damn ninja edit while I was going to fail your for the failure of the link =(
I'm good like that.
Also you phail as well. ------- CEO of Maids. No I didn't pick the name. I've grown rather fond of it though.Poor PR in progress!
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:28:00 -
[3013]
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
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Vanishing Vixen
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:29:00 -
[3014]
Originally by: SSgt Sniper Also you phail as well.
Not as hard as CCP did with the short notice on this change.
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:29:00 -
[3015]
Edited by: Will Hunter on 15/10/2008 03:29:03 welp
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Betteroff Dead
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:29:00 -
[3016]
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
?? Could you elaborate on that, I'm confused?
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:30:00 -
[3017]
Originally by: Cosy Ceaon
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
http://img296.imageshack.us/img296/5973/byebyeevedt9.gif
if u do the same quote this
Firstly Images are not aloud on the forums
2nd) Noone will miss you
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Xavier Holtzman
Dark Star Cartel
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:31:00 -
[3018]
Originally by: James Marshalll
Originally by: Amarr Hyena I wonder if they will ever fix the thread...or if it will stay in its mysterious limbo state for the rest of eternity.
or is it a new feature?
cloaking Threadnaughts...sweet
they want it to stay hidden, the least amount of people that read this train wreck the better.
Yea, seriously.....is there a link to this thread somwhere besides inside the locked thread in the Eve Information Portal? -=Xavier Holtzman=- "I'm in love with a malicious intent." |
ViolenTUK
Gallente Vindicated Exiles
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:31:00 -
[3019]
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
ôMany would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training.ö Torfi
There is no explanation of why you cannot do that. Simply the aforementioned statement that you cannot do that. Eve may be a one-of-a-kind game that allows you too train skills when your subscription is not active but this simply wonÆt be the case now will it?
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
ôWe stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight.ö Torfi
Why? You have let players do this for 5 years and now you want to change this with no explanation. So far you have presented us no justification for a change in your policy. Let me make things clear that this is a change in policy since you have let us skill train whilst inactive for 5 years thus so far.
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans
ôWe know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontentö Torfi
That is a momentous understatement and a euphemism since ômajor discordö would be more appropriate.
Your apology simply will not do.
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Mortisha Drake
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3020]
100 Get? ; ]
I too must add my name to the role of Alts being denied an edumacation
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3021]
Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 15/10/2008 03:38:47 Poasting on an epic thread.
Damn, second
Edit:
Originally by: Shard Merchant To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did.
After that;
Originally by: CCP The bug that became a feature
On Monday, we released news that we are disabling äGhost Trainingô, the ability to train characters on inactive accounts. This resulted in strong reactions from the community as many people were routinely making use of it. We explained the matter in more detail and pointed out that this had been a bug in the original game code. Those of us who were involved in the process of making the decision and communicating it to the community did not realize this bug had been so accepted as a feature that it was listed as such in our own documentation on our own website.
How can we not know whatæs in our own documentation? Well, to be frank, it was a case of insufficient communication on our part between various teams û a regrettable mistake and hard lesson to learn at the expense of the trust youæve placed in us. Thereæs no way to spin it and we wonæt add insult to injury by trying to do so. It was a mistake on our part and for that we sincerely and humbly apologize.
Many would hope that in light of this we will decide not to cancel ghost training and keep it active as an option but weære cannot to do that. EVE is already one-of-a-kind in allowing players to progress their characters through offline skill training. We stand by our policy that if you want your character to progress in EVE, you should pay the subscription fee. The fact that so many people have been able to do so for several years was our own oversight. We know this change, and our misstep in telling you about it, has created some discontent and we hope that over time we can prove our committment to make EVE better than ever for you will be evident as you enjoy the fruits of our labor.
Torfi
Sorry, but an apology after realizing your ninja nerf has failed doesn't count.
It took 170+ pages for you to admit it, but even while doing it you are still doing wrong.
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Deadly Hobbitses
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3022]
Edited by: Deadly Hobbitses on 15/10/2008 03:32:41 Page 100 Snypa fail attempt :(
Think this deserves a skill queue for all of us hobbitses.
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Lord Fuzzywig
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
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Edited by: Lord Fuzzywig on 15/10/2008 03:33:18 PAGE 100!
Is it can be tiem for hugs nao prz?
<3<3<3 ~Lord Fuzzywig
e/ Noooooooooooooooooooo! :(
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Jogvan
coracao ardente Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3024]
Edited by: Jogvan on 15/10/2008 03:34:11 Edited by: Jogvan on 15/10/2008 03:32:44 Crap
Edit: CCP can you see this thread? 100 pages about how much your customers love you. AWESOME!!!!!!!
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EnslaverOfMinmatar
Yarsk Hunters DeaDSpace Coalition
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3025]
page 100 woot!!
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill tr |
Staberind
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
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i want my tiiime baaaaack....... suxors, and my exes who left me for playing this damn game...
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Lothris Andastar
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3027]
Originally by: Betteroff Dead
Originally by: Lothris Andastar
Originally by: James Marshalll
I haven't uninstalled because they got me with the power of 2 bait and switch. oh well I might as well get what I can out of my subs by eve mailing as many people who I know who don't know about this yet
So... you only got the power of 2 simply because you could ghost train?
Hardly, bait and switch, you sir are the reason they are disabling it.
?? Could you elaborate on that, I'm confused?
He is saying he's not leaving because apparently the power of 2 was a bait and switch. I take this to mean his intention was to ghost train with the alt.
CCP have disabled ghost training because too many people were abusing it.
Ergo he is part of the reason why they are disabling it.
I honestly don't know why people are getting so emo about this. If you want to gain SP u pay your subscription like every other damn MMO out there.
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younub
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:32:00 -
[3028]
page 100 snypa
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Will Hunter
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:33:00 -
[3029]
Edited by: Will Hunter on 15/10/2008 03:33:26 double welp
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OpenGuard
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Posted - 2008.10.15 03:33:00 -
[3030]
Edited by: OpenGuard on 15/10/2008 03:36:39 on page 100 wee
but seriously, i have used the ghost train to play two chars, had one active each month and one training. it was great, and im sad to see it go. terrible change imo, and im not going to condone ccp's actions by activating both accts when they expire. will go back to one acct, not a huge deal, but i really feel this BS is mostly because of the loss of 30 day gtc's and the ridiculous isk cost for the 60 day gtc.
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