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Christine Cormorante
Gallente Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:34:00 -
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Originally by: Leshiye Well, all this banter is well and good... I like to see the kids get involved with community things. But this is just about subscribership and the income they represent.
Accountants identify areas where additional revenue might be obtained, and the developers code it in... easy enough to understand. I don't hold any ill will toward Eve for trying to make some cash in the process... they even tell you guys up front that this is pretty much what its all about, so... How can you beat them up for being straight-forward?
I personally think they should have done away with it after the beta discussion though. This (along with other little bugs) just gives people something to hold onto and run around the net screaming "BUT...BUT...BUT!"
Snap out of it.
I think you missed the part where this supposed "bug" was fixed on Serenity 3 years ago
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Gunnanmon
Gallente UNITED STAR SYNDICATE R-I-P
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:35:00 -
[4322]
I love how they "fix" this so-called bug, and don't bother to fix the fact that windows now bounce all over the place, something that ****es me off every day.
The hidden ghost training eradication reply thread |
IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:47:00 -
[4323]
Edited by: IR Scoutar on 17/10/2008 13:49:31 regardless of what i think of ccp as a company atm wich incidentialy is portrayd very well in this futurama trailer between 0:27 and 0:32 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oEiJ3QA4kKs
i still maintain there are 2 issues at hand
issue nr 1 : The unaceptable way this "ghost training fix" was anounced, folowed by a blatant lie in a panicblog, folowed by some dribble in this threadnaught wich ether implies we are all morons or ccp are morons because they actualy let something like that slip thru and didnt notice it and i sitll dont seen an appology besides the "sorry you are so knowledgeable" apollogy in this threadnaught on page 93 (and one could say the ceo then posting a devblog wich is utterly and completly uninteresting and doesnt realy toutch things that concern the eve players atm)
issue nr 2 : Ghost training oh god oh god oh god we got something for free wich was now taken away boohoo or not boohoo ? after all its been 5 years ... yes there where people that abused it soley to get their momy pilots or titan pilots or whatnots but frankly who gives a crap ? mostly whiners that will never be able to sit in such a thing, at the most get blown up by it (yeah i dont have one ether and nether does my mains corp ... why am i not posting with my main ? because that has run out of gametime and i probably wont renew him because of issue nr1 ) but why should you even care that "ghost training" was taken away ? you ? probably shouldnt care at all the guys that suffer burnouts or cant play for a month or 2 probably will care much more for reasons posted to death here
colosing thoughts frankly that ccp took away ghost training is a horribly horribly bad bussiness decision in my eyes nothing more, so if they want to shoot themselves in the foot with a bazooka ... let em!
What i care about and what i WANT is a bloddy appology for HOW this crap went down, plain and simple p.s. not in this topic... in a dev blog... with a news announcement ... and dont burry it under 10 tons of rubbish like you did with ghost trainings and pardon the pun the subsequent ccp fallout
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Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:50:00 -
[4324]
Originally by: Doomsday
Originally by: cillisia Good Job CCP, I can't afford to run an alt account continually. Theres goes my probe alt,
- 1 account
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans ...don't make use of this bug.
[Citation Needed]
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Doomsday
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Posted - 2008.10.17 13:55:00 -
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Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules.
Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
We don't pay them to develop and maintain our game, we pay for log in to there game. Only one thing can change there opinions - there wallet. Don't pay them when you don't like there decisions - plain and simple. They know many people "love" there chars and the second life they have in EVE, so the customer base is resilient. They do not quit or come back after a month. They cry, but who cares - they "Adapt or Die."
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:00:00 -
[4326]
Lol so this threads still hidden.
Shocking behavior.
SKUNK
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Doomsday
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:01:00 -
[4327]
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Doomsday
Originally by: cillisia Good Job CCP, I can't afford to run an alt account continually. Theres goes my probe alt,
- 1 account
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans ...don't make use of this bug.
[Citation Needed]
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592
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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:12:00 -
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Originally by: Doomsday Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules.
Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
We don't pay them to develop and maintain our game, we pay for log in to there game. Only one thing can change there opinions - there wallet. Don't pay them when you don't like there decisions - plain and simple. They know many people "love" there chars and the second life they have in EVE, so the customer base is resilient. They do not quit or come back after a month. They cry, but who cares - they "Adapt or Die."
First of all ill try if i can get thru to you with logic about the "bug" Ill try to keep it simple If you program a game like this where accounts run out of gametime.. you want the characters to stop everything they are doing and not be able to log in ... correct ? would you say stop them from being able to see the game news and post on the forums but "forget" to make the caracter stop all its ingame actions because ? its too hard to code ? (LMAO wrong job) or infact you dont care and it works as intended and then over 5 years after the game has been release and you added it to your manual etc blablabla suddenly come out and say oopsies thats umm a bug we missed it for 5 years and we thought when you cant log in your caracter stops doing everything ....
please please please stop calling it a bug or an oversight or whatnot it was deliberate (feature or not good or bad i aint discussing that )
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They know many people "love" there chars and the second life they have in EVE, so the customer base is resilient
i dont know what you play but i play a game called EvE : Online not an escape world because i ****ed up in the real one called second life ppl are indeed fond of their chars but i wouldnt pay just to see a bar go from left to right ... actualy i wouldnt because i for whatever reasons cant play at the moment ... always thought that ..... oopsie allmost got dragged into that silly discussion there nvm
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Garia666
Amarr T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:14:00 -
[4329]
Everytime A blog which they know have allot of impact is followed by allot of other blogs in the hope people will forget this one.. I havent seen any reaction they prob just dont read it anymore..
would be nice if we got some rectification about how it was unintended.. as it clearly wasnt.. but now they made it like it is.. www.garia.net |
10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:15:00 -
[4330]
NEWS FLASH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CCP announces that they will be posting a blog in response to this thread. |
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Doomsday
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:20:00 -
[4331]
Originally by: IR Scoutar
Originally by: Doomsday Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules.
Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
We don't pay them to develop and maintain our game, we pay for log in to there game. Only one thing can change there opinions - there wallet. Don't pay them when you don't like there decisions - plain and simple. They know many people "love" there chars and the second life they have in EVE, so the customer base is resilient. They do not quit or come back after a month. They cry, but who cares - they "Adapt or Die."
First of all ill try if i can get thru to you with logic about the "bug" Ill try to keep it simple If you program a game like this where accounts run out of gametime.. you want the characters to stop everything they are doing and not be able to log in ... correct ? would you say stop them from being able to see the game news and post on the forums but "forget" to make the caracter stop all its ingame actions because ? its too hard to code ? (LMAO wrong job) or infact you dont care and it works as intended and then over 5 years after the game has been release and you added it to your manual etc blablabla suddenly come out and say oopsies thats umm a bug we missed it for 5 years and we thought when you cant log in your caracter stops doing everything ....
please please please stop calling it a bug or an oversight or whatnot it was deliberate (feature or not good or bad i aint discussing that )
as for
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They know many people "love" there chars and the second life they have in EVE, so the customer base is resilient
i dont know what you play but i play a game called EvE : Online not an escape world because i ****ed up in the real one called second life ppl are indeed fond of their chars but i wouldnt pay just to see a bar go from left to right ... actualy i wouldnt because i for whatever reasons cant play at the moment ... always thought that ..... oopsie allmost got dragged into that silly discussion there nvm
Don't get me wrong. I just quoted the dev blog where its called a bug. I just pointed out, that they don't care about many people, because they know they stay or come back. There is only one way to let them think over there decisions - over there wallet. If this will not happen, nothing changes.
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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:22:00 -
[4332]
They will post a link to a link in two different threads of which the first thread is hidden due to "Technical Difficulties".
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Cutesmile
Pator Tech School
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:32:00 -
[4333]
Ok,ok. The CCP fans told, we are wrong.
But what think about this ? http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=591
Certificates bullsh*t. Lol idea. Why do it this ? Standard armor tanking certificate not enough for something ship ? You need elite, now not enough the ship skills need more armor, turret etc skills too. Because more times need for one ship. Longer training time mutch money fo CCP. Another lying.
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Kheldon Fel
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:34:00 -
[4334]
Edited by: Kheldon Fel on 17/10/2008 14:40:42 Edited by: Kheldon Fel on 17/10/2008 14:37:29
Originally by: Doomsday
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
Originally by: Doomsday
Originally by: cillisia Good Job CCP, I can't afford to run an alt account continually. Theres goes my probe alt,
- 1 account
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans ...don't make use of this bug.
[Citation Needed]
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=592
Taken out of context much?
Edit: No, seriously, I hope you're not actually that ****ing stupid. Edit2: Well crap, it's getting entirely too difficult to separate the batshit crazies from the sarcastic.
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Doomsday
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:36:00 -
[4335]
Edited by: Doomsday on 17/10/2008 14:36:52
Originally by: Kheldon Fel
...... Taken out of context much?
Naaa, sarcasm must be allowed
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IR Scoutar
Caldari State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:41:00 -
[4336]
Originally by: Doomsday
Don't get me wrong. I just quoted the dev blog where its called a bug. I just pointed out, that they don't care about many people, because they know they stay or come back. There is only one way to let them think over there decisions - over there wallet. If this will not happen, nothing changes.
just voicing my distain that some people insist of calling it a bug or exploit
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Tivookz
Caldari IMPERIAL SENATE Pure.
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Posted - 2008.10.17 14:59:00 -
[4337]
Edited by: Tivookz on 17/10/2008 15:00:20 To all those people saying that oh why should John Doe be able to cancel his sub and train carrier lvl 5 without having to pay a nickle for it.
Well my answer to you is, he doesn't.
He simply takes advantage of the fact that it's possible and convenient and he needs to take a break for some reason, like me.
One does not take a break just because of a long skill.
I have never cancelled my subscription just because I had a looong skill train ahead of me, because I dont know about you guys but I don't play this game to train skills, I play to fight.
Nice move CCP, here in Sweden there is a saying that doesn't translate very good into english but it goes like this: "The one that is always craving for more will often miss the biggest reward."
Right now you're being greedy.
First it was not ok to get paid in dollars so u removed 30/90 day trial cards and replaced them with a more expensive 60 day card.
Now you try to force the people who want to be able to train skills on their account while taking a break from eve to continue paying for their account.
You just shot yourself in the foot.
Marketing noobs.
Tiv
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Xeronn
Amarr Ordo Drakonis Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:06:00 -
[4338]
/bump
no reaction from CCP except cover-up tactics ...shame!
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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:14:00 -
[4339]
Edited by: 10of10 on 17/10/2008 15:14:59 WE all should just go post in the public threads with this link. Yes they will lock it but with over 300 locks the public will start to ask questions.
Call it the CCP cover up.... |
Duskadantor
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:15:00 -
[4340]
Originally by: Le Skunk Lol so this threads still hidden.
Shocking behavior.
SKUNK
It's not truly hidden yet. It still remains apart of the headline news. Just follow the links from there and you'll end up here. Only two more news headlines though before it's buried from public sight. Well thats the only way I keep getting back here ^^
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Lady Godgifu
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:30:00 -
[4341]
Why is this thread still hidden???
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Frances Ducoir
Gallente Bounty Hunter - Dark Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:37:00 -
[4342]
Originally by: Doomsday Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules. Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
I pay them to play a game. A game with a feature, which was avaiable over 5 years. They disabled it, i dont pay them anymore... ... easy enough isnt it?
Keep this "Adapt or Die" Crap for yourself. I'AM THE COSTUMER. I dont have to adapt to anything, especcially not disabled features, which are now declared as a bug and cause outrages within the whole comunity. This is ridiculous. Shame on you CCP.
*snip* Signiture remoted because it contained profanity - hutch |
BIind
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:41:00 -
[4343]
Edited by: BIind on 17/10/2008 15:41:31
Originally by: Lady Godgifu Why is this thread still hidden???
HERE'S WHY!
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10of10
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:44:00 -
[4344]
http://myeve.eve-online.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=590
Wow, here is something that seems meaningless but... "The new system will calculate standings based only on the average of all members who have been a part of the corporation for 7 days or more without factoring in anything else." This will make the service of raising a corp standings for POS anchoring for a fee much more painful and less lucrative, I can't imagine people are going to want to pay double to triple what they are paying now.
Time to move on you greedy bastards.... |
Lady Godgifu
Gallente The Scope
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Posted - 2008.10.17 15:53:00 -
[4345]
Originally by: Frances Ducoir
Originally by: Doomsday Its just so easy. CCPs game, CCPs rules. Just like in every other MMO: "Adapt or Die."
I pay them to play a game. A game with a feature, which was avaiable over 5 years. They disabled it, i dont pay them anymore... ... easy enough isnt it?
Keep this "Adapt or Die" Crap for yourself. I'AM THE COSTUMER. I dont have to adapt to anything, especcially not disabled features, which are now declared as a bug and cause outrages within the whole comunity. This is ridiculous. Shame on you CCP.
fair play dude, I'm not bothered renewing either, hell I'm not playing atm and I sure as hell ain't going to pay to skill train. Got 3/4 games on my pc atm that I haven't gotten around to playing. Might check out ambulation when it comes out on one of those trial accounts but that certainly wasn't keeping me playing, lag and the time sink that is Eve is are my main issues with the game.
The fact they removed flexibility with gtc's and now ghost training just killed it for me.
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:11:00 -
[4346]
Originally by: N'tek alar
Also, a few hundred accounts is not a majority of a few hundred thousand.
Did you notice how the majority have NOT posted?
Look how stupid you are..
This page 'vanished' from the Information Portal something like 12 hours after it was started (and by then it was already 60+ pages long).
CCP, of course, has no idea how this thread (and ONLY this thread in the history of the EVE-Online forums) 'vanished' and over 72 hours later they "can't" figure out how to get it back on the front page of the dev forum..
The VAST majority of these posts have came from people sending each other links in game and out of game to find this thread.
Also, just because the "majority" of players don't post here doesn't mean anything. Know why? Don't confuse 'players' with 'accounts.' I am 1 player but I had 3 accounts, some have alot more. So unless we posted with 1 character from each account then the majority of accounts wouldn't be represented. Let's also not forget that a decent percentage of players wouldn't post here even if CCP promised $100 for every account that posted here simply because they don't "do" message boards.
That hardly makes this point moot.
(BTW, I would also suggest you actually, I dunno, bother to read at least a few pages in this thread to see what the biggest gripes are about (BS reasons given by CCP for this change, the constantly changing reasons for this change, the complete lack of player respect by no dialogue about this (yet the other dev threads get multiple CCP Dev answers on the first page while this 144 page thread gets 1 answer--and it is pure crap).
I'll type this part slowly for the people whining about people unhappy with this: The vast majority of unhappy people are ambivilant towards this change, they are unhappy with how CCP handled it and continues to handle it.
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:16:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 17/10/2008 12:21:24 EVE: Month 1: Whiner pays for play time and skill training. Month 2: Whiner demands free skill training because he paid last month.
Restaurant: Month 1: Whiner pays for meal and drinks. Month 2: Whiner demands free drinks because he paid last month.
Both are companies selling their products. Why is one required to give away theirs for free?
This corresponds to the 'free drinks' machine has a 'broken' sign on it... not advertised outside.
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Ishbuanium
Black Skull Legion Veneratio Venator Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:22:00 -
[4348]
Originally by: Lady Godgifu Why is this thread still hidden???
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Rita Zechs
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:23:00 -
[4349]
Bouncing back to top... Oh wait...
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Erimisha
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.17 16:29:00 -
[4350]
Originally by: Kerfira
Originally by: Christine Cormorante The free drinks was an advertised feature that became a bug
So if a restaurant stopped giving out free drinks, you'd arrange a week-long demonstration?
Depends on their reasoning.
Customer: Hey, I'd like one of those free drink offers please. Restaurant: Well, too many people were stealing our drinks and you see it was an unfair advantage that only people who came in got the drink so we're discontinuing the offer. Customer: Unfair advantage? Stealing what you advertised for free? What? Restaurant: Sorry, it was causing our front door to open too slowly, we've had to stop offering free drinks. Customer: Uh, but the drinking coming from the soda machine doesn't need to interact with the door in any significant way..?? Is your plumber ******ed or something? Restaurant: To tell you the truth, that 5 year old offer was just a typo the whole time. Half of our staff didn't even know about it. Sucks to be us, eh? Customer: But you went out of your way to make and hand out all those offers for free drinks. You were the ones who told us about the free drinks! You even fixed the same typo on your advertisement across town. WTF? Restaurant: . . .
There is a timeline to this fiasco btw.
First CCP claimed it was unfair and too many people were using it. Then they claimed it was causing db strain and lag. Finally they claimed it was a 'bug that became a feature' even though they fixed this particular 'bug' on the Chinese server well over a year ago. Now they are 110% ignoring this thread for anything other than the mod-police *removing* posts here and there. Not just editing posts or removing content like in every other thread but REMOVING whole posts.
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