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Simon LBowerbank
Amarr Universal Assembler
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:44:00 -
[1711]
Originally by: Gajowy http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
CCP THERE IS A BUG IN PLAYER GUIDE FROM OVER 5 YEARS
hope they can hear me and fix this fast enough before people will feel that they are treated like idiots
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:44:00 -
[1712]
Originally by: Simon LBowerbank So i have to train Battleship V the old fashioned way while previous players could do it for free while taking a break?
Yeah that sounds really fair thanks CCP
One word: BPO. Eve isn't fair, and I have the EULA and the ToS to back me up on that.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:45:00 -
[1713]
Originally by: Todoshi if enough people leave then say good buy to all those lovely cheap mods and ships, because if the players quit the prices will go up
Ooh! Bunch of metagamers gone and prices going up? That'd be like the cherry on top: crossing my fingers that you're right. (But I doubt it.)
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Karina Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 -
[1714]
Originally by: Grarr Dexx
Originally by: Karina Mei
Originally by: Liranan Poor you. In the end I am not rich but I still pay, even when I don't play.
So you pay even when you're not playing, would you still be happy for a utility bill to be charged at the same rate even if you weren't making use of it? Before anyone says it, yes I know the game isn't real life...
If this utility bill kept my freezer freezing, my refrigerator running and my house not unpleasantly cold, then happily.
Stop creating fallacies and jumping off of them like they're solidly based.
While you're at it try reading the actually wording of the post and not just your take on it.
if you weren't making use of it means not using it, as in it's not doing anything, as in you pay the same for the electric you're not using.
That was my point, which you completely missed.
I'm not saying that I want something for nothing, just replying to a poster that said they were happy to pay for something they weren't using.
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AleRiperKilt
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 -
[1715]
Releasing a Linux client and the fact you could train while offline were the two main factors in my decision to try this game (first and only MMRPG I've ever played).
Most of what I know about WoW is the South Park episode and they make a nice point there about grinding for skills there, lol.
Now at first when I read this about training while account inactive I thought that was not fear and gotta be a bug but now I can clearly read in the player guide it is an "intended game feature" you are taking away (after all, you have to pay to use the benefits of all that ghost training)
I think you guys at CCP should hunt down the original devs and ask them if it is a bug or actually a "feature". For me this seems like a bonehead move from somebody new (just like the Veldonough one)
CCP: As Bill Gates once said ... "It's not a bug, it's a feature"
--- "I live in Los Angeles, where driving is non-consensual pvp" - Arric Rohr |
Simon LBowerbank
Amarr Universal Assembler
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 -
[1716]
BPO? What?
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Nilien
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:46:00 -
[1717]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1!
Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5.
If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
But ccp can... Could earn on those who payed by isk anyway. Now it's impossible.
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Endena
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:47:00 -
[1718]
I have 4 accounts with well developed mains on it. If I faced skills like Capital 5 or BS 5, I was glad to put that account in ghost training. Most of the skills for a char with 40 mil SP take longer. I can use on my computer anyways only 2 accounts on the same time. After my inactive account had done his ghost training, it came back with a nice new toy. It was like getting a new char sometimes and made the game more exciting for me.
Consequences are clear: I reduce on 2 accounts. I will not train such nervkilling high rank skills on 2 extra accounts, which I hardly use. It would have been nice to get an extra command ship from another race or an other capital class ship. But if CCP think, I do not need this. NP. In the end CCP will get less money and the risk is rising, cCP lose a player, who played this game almost every day, because he might get bored. And certainly CCP will not get more money from me. When I started this game, I wanted only 1 account anyway. Now I have 4. Seems to be time to do some cleaning and cost cutting.
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Dlightfull
e-PWN
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:47:00 -
[1719]
Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess |
NupetietVer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:48:00 -
[1720]
Wow, CCP has standardized the GTC's with that Kraptastic change to 60 day 90 day, and now this?
Well now consider your profits Standardized, down the drain now CCP.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:50:00 -
[1721]
Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess
Maybe starting eve in your financial position wasn't the right choice. I'm not being blunt here, but there are tons of freespace-esque games out there, singleplayer and multiplayer without a monthly fee.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:51:00 -
[1722]
Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess
If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...
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Dlightfull
e-PWN
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:53:00 -
[1723]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...
Well, it's the country where i live that makes it like that, and the very reason i was playing eve is because i could pay with ingame money, now i can't do it effectivelly anymore :(
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Ai Sakura
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:53:00 -
[1724]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere OMG! Sky falling!! CCP Fails! On noeez1!
Skill Training Complete. Forum Drama has reached level 5.
If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
You can still login with an inactive subscription? I think that would be called playing the system.. You arent playing anything
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Karma
Eve University
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:54:00 -
[1725]
Originally by: Loyal Servant Holy crap! You can't cancel if you wanted to! They disabled account access!
probably the accountpage cracked under the stress of all those alt accounts being canceled.
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:54:00 -
[1726]
Originally by: Endena
I have 4 accounts with well developed mains on it. If I faced skills like Capital 5 or BS 5, I was glad to put that account in ghost training. Most of the skills for a char with 40 mil SP take longer. I can use on my computer anyways only 2 accounts on the same time. After my inactive account had done his ghost training, it came back with a nice new toy. It was like getting a new char sometimes and made the game more exciting for me.
Consequences are clear: I reduce on 2 accounts. I will not train such nervkilling high rank skills on 2 extra accounts, which I hardly use. It would have been nice to get an extra command ship from another race or an other capital class ship. But if CCP think, I do not need this. NP. In the end CCP will get less money and the risk is rising, cCP lose a player, who played this game almost every day, because he might get bored. And certainly CCP will not get more money from me. When I started this game, I wanted only 1 account anyway. Now I have 4. Seems to be time to do some cleaning and cost cutting.
lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I rarely ever paid for!!
That will teach them a lesson they won't soon forget! All you rage quitters need to get it together ... On the other hand, you are providing me with a lot of entertainment since I can't play EVE right now.
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Astria Tiphareth
Caldari 24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:55:00 -
[1727]
I'm actually going to reverse my earlier view, which was that I don't mind these changes, because of the dangerous precedent this sets. If this isn't going to be allowed on inactive account, what's next? RP? Market Orders? Contracts? Research slots? Manufacturing?
Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was? ___ My views may not represent those of my corporation, which is why I never get invited to those diplomatic parties... Environmental Effects
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Gedhay
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:55:00 -
[1728]
Edited by: Gedhay on 14/10/2008 13:56:11
btw, if this is a "bug", then why i have 3 characters and i'm training only one of them??? i'm not paying for the account?? and the account have 3 characters, dont they?? this is a "feature", not a "bug"???
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ingenting
20th Legion Southern Cross Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 -
[1729]
_________________
- "Welcome to EVE, remember to insu *BAAOOM*... Told you, newb." |
Karina Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 -
[1730]
Originally by: Simon LBowerbank BPO? What?
Presuming Tech 2.. Aren't those reserved for BoD
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Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:56:00 -
[1731]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!
The key right there.
Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never.
-- (CCP Inconsistency)
Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money |
Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:58:00 -
[1732]
Originally by: ingenting
that picture stole part of my soul ... :(
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Lord Fitz
Project Amargosa
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:58:00 -
[1733]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.
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NupetietVer
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 -
[1734]
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?
Indeed, since these skills take an @$$hat to train, why not their by Experience scrolls or something to use? Try telling a new player he has to wait 2 months and $35 dollars later before he can fly a BattleCruiser. Dikt move on your part CCP.
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Arimai
hirr Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 -
[1735]
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Let's say CCP had 600K active chars last downtime. Skills dont need to be checked to see if they ended until someone logs in. So the load on the cluster is passive until someone logs in (think in tuples of accountid, charid, skillid ,start sp, start time, endtime).
Please explain how 600K rows can be hurtfull? Will ccp soon delete inactive characters too?
If the db load is the true subject, please be quick with releasing a patch that increases subscription cost based on transactions, items that characters have. The amount of data used for that should be a few orders of magnitude bigger then skill training.
If it's 'we want income', just be clear about it, and drop the bullshit..
PS: Bit of a shame that account management is down right now, that's another odd 'coincidence'. I guess petition will work to cancel subscription though :/
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 13:59:00 -
[1736]
Originally by: Seth Ruin
Originally by: Adam Slysphere lol, I'm canceling the accounts that I . . . paid for!!
The key right there.
Getting paid sometimes is more profit than getting paid never.
Getting people to pay all the time is better than people paying once or twice a year.
Everyone is rage quitting now, but after a couple weeks an realizing they can't live with only training one character up at a time, they'll turn the accounts back on.
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Gunner
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 -
[1737]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Dlightfull Eve was the only decent MMO i could play, coz there is the possibility to pay irl money for subscription, since i'm poor irl, i barely can afford to pay for internet, now, with these changes (only 60d gtc's at crazy prices and now this change), i will be able to barelly keep an account alive, and that's the 1 i make isk on, so no more pvp for me i guess :(. Thks a lot CCP for turning the best game ever into some shit, i guess i've lived more than enough in this fantasy world, it was great while it lasted, i'l go back to single player games i guess
If you can barely afford to pay for internet and EVE, perhaps it's best that you quit and evaluate you're lifestyle anyways ...
So Eve is for the rich? *** 2007.10.06 R.I.P. Hatuk my friend.
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Grarr Dexx
Amarr The Cosa Nostra La Cosa Nostra Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 -
[1738]
Originally by: NupetietVer
Originally by: Astria Tiphareth
Why not go the whole way and just have us earn SP on blowing ships up and therefore no SP earning unless you're playing the game (which should sound familiar territory to those from other MMOs), and forget about all the things that made EVE the game it was?
Indeed, since these skills take an @$$hat to train, why not their by Experience scrolls or something to use? Try telling a new player he has to wait 2 months and $35 dollars later before he can fly a BattleCruiser. Dikt move on your part CCP.
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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:00:00 -
[1739]
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.
I wouldn't consider the whole not logging in thing to be "playing" the game. The inactive skill training is, or I suppose was a lovely feature. As previously stated by many people, it allowed them to train a long skill with the downside being they can't actually play.
However, it gave them incentive to return back to eve asap to fly a new ship or have a new module. -
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 14:01:00 -
[1740]
Originally by: Lord Fitz
Originally by: Adam Slysphere If you guys were at the helm of CCP you'd do the same thing ... People are "playing" the game without paying for it. No much of a way to run a business.
If "playing" the game can be done without logging in, ever, the game is a failure.
Yup, and now they're fixing that and people are loosing their mind.
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