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Pyea
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
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capsuleers who actively put their time and energy into working on their characters will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who have not.
If I train a long skill and let my sub run out (for IRL commitments etc) this is unfairly affecting others? The difference to me will be that I pay to not actually play the game. The difference to you will be more money.
No doubt the recent economic problems have dented the current subscription base, this is just a kneejerk reaction to get more active subscriptions so it doesn't look like you're loosing bussiness. Same move as with the 60 day time codes.
It also seems you've taken it off the recent news. Good one...
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Inanna Zuni
Minmatar The Causality Electus Matari
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
[152]
Originally by: Fred Ayurveda
Originally by: Inanna Zuni It will be interesting in a few months to check the status of all the people who have gone "OHNOES!!!11!!!! I'M QUITTING" and see just how many are still in game.
This is a long overdue closing of a loophole that let people benefit unfairly and I for one am very happy with it.
IZ
You're scum, shitting on your fellow players to the benefit of a greedy, out of touch company. Enjoy your trips to Iceland.
And I love you too. Whose alt are you, btw?
(They aren't being greedy, they just want to be paid for the service they provide! You work for free, right?)
My principles
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
[153]
Quote: Does that mean that CCP is a greedy money chewing monster that just loves nerfing things?
Yes, of course.
Quote: We are gamers.
You are - sorry, i know English not so well as i wish - but in Russia peoples like you we call "(censored)".
Quote: We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.
I am truly hope that you lose A LOT OF money in this... Ahm, how its on english... In Russia we call this "(censored)".
-1 accaunt (maybe -2)
Cheers
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D4RT N3RDiUS
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
[154]
"Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Bugs what.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER...
THIS IS WY YOU GONA LOST A LOT OF COSTUMER BECOUSE THEY DONT BELIEVE IN YOU ANIMORE YOU ARE A BAG OF LIES AND AGAIN YOU REINFORCE THE FEELING BY EDITING ALL THE POST SAYING YOU GOT OWNED !!!
ANDA AGAIN! YOU GOT OWNED! IN YOUR GAME ! JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAAJAJJAAJAJJAAJJA
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Tarron Sarek
Gallente Biotronics Inc. Alternative Realities
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
[155]
Edited by: Tarron Sarek on 13/10/2008 23:53:47
So, the bottom line is that 'normal' players, who merely used that feature in a moderate manner and valued it as a unique game feature among MMOs will draw the shortest straw, because a bunch of greedy players and/or ISK farmers abused it?
Seems like reallife. Some bad people totally overdo things and in the end screw over everybody else.
Wasn't there a way to fix this without hurting everybody? Like disabling ghost training for trial chars. Like limiting ghost training to max one week after unsubscribing. Like at least introduce a skill queue to offer some compensation. Like re-defining (fixing) 0.0 capital blob warfare?
I mean, how many of those ghost training alts that make up the 'avalanche' are capital pilots? I'd really like to know.
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Lifewringer
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:50:00 -
[156]
You FAIL CCP. I will not forgive you UNLESS you take away capped training on the same account away. If I have 3 chars on that account I want to be able to train them all at once. Otherwise you are UNFORGIVEN.
-1 account
Have fun playing CCP (it will be mostly your toons around)
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 -
[157]
posting it again just to **** them off:
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167
excerpt: Quote: Quote: EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.
This bonus comes at the cost of only being able to train one character at a time per account.
and the source of the second one: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp
scroll down a bit you'll find it just below the two blue tables ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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Elmicker
Wreckless Abandon
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 -
[158]
Edited by: Elmicker on 13/10/2008 23:51:56
Originally by: Inanna Zuni they just want to be paid for the service they provide! You work for free, right?)
Actually. Yes.
The vast majority of people who work in a professional capacity go far beyond their contractual requirements, to provide a better service to their customers.
CCP has advertised this as standard service for 5 years now, and suddenly we're a bunch of cheating thieves. It leaves a bitter taste.
Now, if they were to sweeten the deal, for example by allowing us to train all 3 of our chars at once instead of them just being ornaments, it'd be a different matter. As it stands we're losing an advertised service and gaining nothing at a time when, for most people, money is tight. It's just silly.
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Peter Greed
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:51:00 -
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The news about ghost training being removed hurt a bit, yeah. Fair enough though, All good things come to an end. However, the 'bug' explanation is outrageous.
Sorry CCP, I guess I took the red pill this morning. I woke up from my 'database slumber' and realized I am not a foolish consumer who appreciates the typical P.R. spin. I mean, there are 6 year courses on bs spin. This could have been handled in a way that didn't make EVERYONE involved feel like a big sweaty buttock. Read a book.
Hey, maybe a 're-do'? When will that 're-do' statement be ready? I can write it for you:
************ Dear players,
We know the beloved ghost training nerf comes as a shock for most of you. It has really been enjoyable watching everyone e-suffer about it. We apologize about the 'bug' statement that was made earlier. The gentlemen had never heard an explanation, so he naturally assumed the 'ghost training' feature we have all been talking about for years was really something else entirely.
So, we need more income. We realize blunt force truth rarely works these days, but we got a memo today telling us that our playerbase wasn't full of hacks and asshats. Now, we've manned up and handled business. We only regret that we can't collect interest from the tears of all the e-tradgedy.
Thanks, we all hope you enjoy playing this MMO as much as we enjoy modeling ourselves like any great Sony MMO. -The Eve Fatcats
Greed sees Greed.
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Duvaren
Amarr The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[160]
Originally by: Avon
..you'd better be real quick cleaning out the forums of historical CCP posts about this "feature" as it was, before you try to make out it is now a "bug".
Added from my later post: Hey, your bug...
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
I found it in the player guide.
You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.
In my opinion CCP has just been caught in a falsehood.
Greed 4tl.
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Makkiel
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[161]
There're lots of things to do to earn more money and you choosed the worst one.
GJ CCP
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gusta
Chaos Reborn
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[162]
Good job CCP. Atleast when I take a break from your game I wont be comming back anymore. EVE gets dull quite a bit and this was the only thing that brought me back after my few breaks from eve, knowing that I had a skill that was finishing or finished that made it nice. Now it just means that when I take my break I wont have anything interesting to come back to thus losing out on more sub fees. And lets not forget the 3 accounts I usualy have active at any given time. You just made it so I will be dropping 1 or 2 of my accounts.
And another thing, the increase of ghost training could it have anything to do with the fact that eve is getting stagnent and nothing new is happening or no new features have been implimented for quite some time? maybe the increase in ghost training has to do with you incompatence to keep us interested.
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Lallante
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[163]
Sadly, I'm going to buck the trend and say I resubbed at this announcement (despite not really being active for...well, forever).
Nevertheless, this was clearly a fecking stupid move by CCP. First the price rise (whatever they may call it) of GTCs, hmmmm huge surprise that loads of people unsub, and now this.
Guess what CCP, if you lowered sub cost and kept this feature, many more people would have multiple accounts. This is going to prove counter productive. Expect growth to remain flat or even decline.
STUPID STUPID CCP. You really havnt thought about this. Eve is NOT like other games; people run multiple accounts and you need to account for this in your strategy. Youd be far better off encouraging more accounts than making one more expensive.
Lall - THE Vocal Minority - Reikoku
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freddy madball
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
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-1 account, but no whining or complaining ive decided i dont really need a miner/builder/hauler now because of this. My main will still remain active of course till the end. and it is fair enough, pay to play and all of that. no pay, no sp gains. ok i can get by with that, on my ONE main account.
ive decided that this is a blatant lie about game balance, on top of the gtc changes, and poor performance, as well as LACK OF ABILITY..OR DESIRE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT ISK FARMERS who deplete game resources that real game players could certainly use instead.. because hey they pay for their accounts right? you pay lip service to being anti macro it seems, and if one were to really think about it with all of the things you have done recently to real players....you wont do anything to upset all those isk farmers in the ice belts will you? of course not, especially by looking at your current track record. They represent income.
and gtc sales for isk? how is that game balancing? other then balancing your pockets instead of isk farmers pockets?
the current upswing in people turning on long skills and ghost training ( a feature you have SOLD as part of the game in your own posts and threads) is probably completly in relation to the current global economic crisis.
At least be honest about your reasons, and not lie, because if it was about balance, there is a whole laundry list of things that were far more importan then this ghost training that should have been tackled.
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Avion Triux
Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[165]
I cannot believe you're actually going to try and pass that liquid pile of shit you seem to think is an acceptable answer off on us.
This actually makes me feel quite ****ing stupid for paying for this shitty game for the last 3 years, I hoped my money wouldn't help turn what was once a company that cared about its customers and its public image into another faceless shitstain who cares for nothing more than their bottom line and will shit all over anyone to protect it
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[166]
Originally by: Kif
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Reihai -1 account here.
+ Isk and stuff here ---->
I hope you enjoy eves slow transformation into a generic Korean grind MMO
-1 account, and no you cant have the isk because its not subscribed and nor will it ever be again
EVE is already a Grind MMO. Instead of grinding XP to lvl up we Grind missions and kill npcs for isk. This enables us to LVL up buy buying skill books and better ships. So basically the same, just not bright colours and elves.
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Jack O'Connal
Minmatar The Graduates Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[167]
At this point I'm not sure what I'm more angry about the loss of an advertised feature or the disrespect CCP is showing towards it's customers.
Originally by: http://www.eve-online.com/guide/en/g615.asp Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though).
QFT
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Shmak DatAsh
Di-Tron Heavy Industries Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:52:00 -
[168]
- 8 accts
Great job CCP!
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Zenst
Gallente Omniscient Order Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 -
[169]
"We truly hope that the community will understand our actions and continue to enjoy playing EVE as much as we enjoy making it.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online"
And how many pairs of shoes does your wife/Girlfriend own - and how many can she wear at once. Does she pay repair on those other shoes all the time or only the ones she wears. There endith the logic.
Personaly I've never done ghost training as only actualy ever owned one account, but two things here:
1) The change itself - poorly thought thru and technicaly I dare you to prove that it wont with this change actualy add more work to the database due to the extra event check of subscription now being in play - daily...
2) The timescale its being implemented. Given the rules of how to win friends and infulence people I can see you actualy read the mirror-version. Why not give 2 months notice upon this. If its like you said you slowly saw this comming (albiet 5 ruddy years).
So given point (2) if you were to say 2 months until actioned then your'd be ****in off alot less people, simply put. But thats called PR in Public Relations and not Prat Rants.
I feel for those in the armed forces who go away for long periods, this will generaly hit them more.
But seriously, very badly thought out and the reasons have more elequently been portraid too you already.
Lets face it its just because the UK goverment technically branded Iceland terroists - C'mon admit it :p.
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 -
[170]
Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:54:53 Edited by: Avon on 13/10/2008 23:54:36
Originally by: Aganola posting it again just to **** them off:
http://support.eve-online.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=167
excerpt: Quote: Quote: EVE has a unique approach to character advancement. Your account has the ability to train one character at a time no matter whether you're online or not, so if you start a training session before you go to sleep it will continue its advancement in real time while you are sleeping.
The first part is unrelated to this, and so using it only weakens your arguement. It relates to skills training on active accounts while you are offline.
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Mhaerdirne Solveig
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:53:00 -
[171]
Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Bugs what.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER...
THIS IS WY YOU GONA LOST A LOT OF COSTUMER BECOUSE THEY DONT BELIEVE IN YOU ANIMORE YOU ARE A BAG OF LIES AND AGAIN YOU REINFORCE THE FEELING BY EDITING ALL THE POST SAYING YOU GOT OWNED !!!
ANDA AGAIN! YOU GOT OWNED! IN YOUR GAME ! JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAAJAJJAAJAJJAAJJA
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Dungar Loghoth
Caldari The Illuminati. Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 -
[172]
Originally by: Mhaerdirne Solveig
Originally by: D4RT N3RDiUS "Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive (in the second scenario you can't change skill training, though)."
Bugs what.
Torfi Frans Olafsson
Senior Producer of EVE Online
LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER LIER...
THIS IS WY YOU GONA LOST A LOT OF COSTUMER BECOUSE THEY DONT BELIEVE IN YOU ANIMORE YOU ARE A BAG OF LIES AND AGAIN YOU REINFORCE THE FEELING BY EDITING ALL THE POST SAYING YOU GOT OWNED !!!
ANDA AGAIN! YOU GOT OWNED! IN YOUR GAME ! JAJAJAJAJAJJAJAAJAJJAAJAJJAAJJA
holy cow I thought I was a bad poster
you are ---
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Duvaren
Amarr The Maverick Navy Pupule 'Ohana
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 -
[173]
Originally by: Peter Greed The news about ghost training being removed hurt a bit, yeah. Fair enough though, All good things come to an end. However, the 'bug' explanation is outrageous.
Hey, maybe a 're-do'? When will that 're-do' statement be ready? I can write it for you:
************ Dear players,
We know the beloved ghost training nerf comes as a shock for most of you. It has really been enjoyable watching everyone e-suffer about it. We apologize about the 'bug' statement that was made earlier. The gentlemen had never heard an explanation, so he naturally assumed the 'ghost training' feature we have all been talking about for years was really something else entirely.
So, we need more income. We realize blunt force truth rarely works these days, but we got a memo today telling us that our playerbase wasn't full of hacks and asshats. Now, we've manned up and handled business. We only regret that we can't collect interest from the tears of all the e-tradgedy.
Thanks, we all hope you enjoy playing this MMO as much as we enjoy modeling ourselves like any great Sony MMO. -The Eve Fatcats
Greed sees Greed.
Amen brotha.
If CCP decides to allow multi-character training as compensation I might go for that though.
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Pbs
Pumpkin Scissors
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:54:00 -
[174]
Originally by: Elmicker Edited by: Elmicker on 13/10/2008 23:51:56
Originally by: Inanna Zuni they just want to be paid for the service they provide! You work for free, right?)
Actually. Yes.
The vast majority of people who work in a professional capacity go far beyond their contractual requirements, to provide a better service to their customers.
CCP has advertised this as standard service for 5 years now, and suddenly we're a bunch of cheating thieves. It leaves a bitter taste.
I think we must write petition on Torfi Frans Olafsson - he is harassment all EVE community.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 -
[175]
Originally by: GO MaZ QUICK GUYS POST A DAMAGE CONTROL BLOG THEY'RE ALL SO STUPID THEY WONT REALISE IT AND EVERYONE WILL FORGET IT IN 6 HOURS
How ****ing stupid do you have to be before you acquire a position of power at CCP, just outta curiosity? (I'm pretty stupid, I could probably be your Economist)
no no, you're misunderstanding, it's a "bug", we should thank CCP for fixing it and all head to bed dreaming of 500 Vs 500 fleet battles with no ghostie lag.
Actually...I can't even post sarcastically as it's just too damn rediculous..."We've researched for the last 5 years and discovered the cause of lag was ghosts"
Quick, call for Scoob and the gang.
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QuarlSWE
Minmatar Bionic Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 -
[176]
This is so much bullshit!
Why not nerf the players that cancel their accounts by simply make one-time-use-only "30" days gtc?
I only have one account and when my gtc's runs out im out off this game, eve isnt that good it worth paying 60bucks for getting a new kind of ship.
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LordSwift
INTERSTELLAR ENTERPRISE Final Retribution Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:55:00 -
[177]
Originally by: Alekanderu
Originally by: LordSwift
Originally by: Chestnut Stallion -3 accounts
bye, all your stuff via contract to me. Thanks
why do you keep posting this? do you think you're making some kind of point?
ok ok il stop. i was just bored and enjoying the whine of the hour. Got a bit carried away. Il try to post constructivly. Anyway, most people will have a good whine and forget about it and still play on with their many accounts.
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NephI AsantE
Pandoras Military And Civilian Operations Group Raging Phoenix Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 -
[178]
To all the people saying stupid stuff like...
"I'd like to see the numbers after all this settles out and see how many _really_ leave."
I'd say that what you need to compare is how many accounts do xfers soon, how many accounts go from having 1+ character to those that then have 0 characters (due to xfers or recycling all characters), how many subscribers the total goes down related to the previous two issues.
What CCP should see if all the people consolidate/close/quit as they claim will be an overall reduction in the number of accounts. Since we can't "close" our accounts the number of accounts claimed by CCP will remain unrealistically inflated (it helps them on sites that track number of accounts).
I will be consolidating, and I wish I could perm close the accounts that I have 0 characters on.
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ZW Dewitt
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 -
[179]
Originally by: Dev Blog Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
Yet you don't notice the huge avalance of ISK sellers with random names who are CONSTANTLY making new trial accounts to spam their ads?
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Maconha
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Posted - 2008.10.13 23:56:00 -
[180]
Edited by: Maconha on 14/10/2008 00:03:35 this is how CCCP (ops it was only CCP hehehe) is going down
wacth it from the minute 3:10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rERl4yoZhKs
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