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CIA1
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:13:00 -
[1921]
Ok , sorry just wanted to be heard.
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EightNie
Havoc Inc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:14:00 -
[1922]
Edited by: EightNie on 14/10/2008 15:14:53 Old news.
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Karina Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:14:00 -
[1923]
Originally by: Annaphera
In fact, if you are not doing those things, how are you going to be able (without resorting to a EULA violation) to use that shiny new toy your long skill enables?
Just buy ISK with GTC's like so many people seem to do. No need to breach the EULA at all.
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Terianna Eri
Amarr Scrutari
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:15:00 -
[1924]
Originally by: chotaire Fictionary Dev Blog Post from ccp whoever:
Dear players, due to recent financing issues related to national problems we had to decide to disable ghost training for a limited amount of time. Due to our local banks unable to give us the necessary loans to expand our network and hire more programmers to implement the features you people desire, we saw no other chance doing so.
But please be asured this is only a temporary change, as we will rethink our priority list and reward everyone of you with a great new feature in return to be implemented before christmas:
Skill queueing goes in effect with the next major patch in the second week of December, at the same time ghost training will be back available to everyone. However skill queueing will only work if you have an active subscription.
We sincelery hope you understand this decision as we are forced to refinance immediate investments necessary to implement new features that CSM has requested to see available soon, as much as improving our network, hardware and database concept to cope with lag on fleet battles.
Furthermore, we will bring back 30 day time codes sometime next year. We hope this is a good compromise for all of us and we are looking forward to your feedback to discuss this matter before it goes into effect sometime soon.
Best Regards CCP whoever
t h i s
do it. __________________________________
Originally by: Arthur Frayn How much to ruin all your holes, luv?
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Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:15:00 -
[1925]
I am sorry to hear that you cancel a good feature in the game.
It was intended, as someone states from your own player guide.
If it weren't for that you disabled your secure-network, I would have already cancelled 3 accounts. Too bad I can't cancel my FanFest trip too. But I am sure there are a lot of good shops in Reykjavik to spend the time in on a weekend.
If you disable one feature while accounts are inactive, I suggest you disable ALL features, like market orders, reserach agents, contracts, pos fuel-consumption, etc. Not just a 5 year old feature 'that was unintended from the start', but still managed to get written into the player guide!
To the players: Have fun playing 23/7, this may be an excuse for me to get rid of this addiction
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:15:00 -
[1926]
Ok, sorry just wanted to be heard.
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Silvia t'Nias
Paramilitary Skanks
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:15:00 -
[1927]
I like the way CCP has taken some of the half a dozen most commonly repeated complaints in this (and the previous) thread and given clear, in-depth answers to them. Answers they had time to prepare beforehand, knowing which complaints to expect over this move.
Meanwhile, at the other end of Lala-Land, free princesses and Unicorns for everyone!
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Joao Duarte
M. Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
[1928]
My word on this: I'm against it. Probably CCP will lose money in the long term, as these alt accounts will be cancelled, resulting in a (big) reduction in subscriptions in the long term.
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Marius Duvall
Amarr Merch Industrial GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
[1929]
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Triksterism
You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
Great. Let them take a break from Eve. And like any other service, they get NONE of the benefits the paying customers do while they are gone! Everyone acts like this was an entitlement...that you should be entitled to some perk without paying. Bullcookies.
Oh, and yet again...the flippin' game manual is NOT a promotion! I'd also like to see a survey that asks people's primary reason for starting to play Eve - while I'd bet that offline skill gain would make the top three, I'd lay money that inactive skill gain wouldn't. Or maybe people are bigger parasites than I want to believe...
The issue isn't that the players guide isn't a promotion (which is arguable, really) but that a supposed "bug" was listed as an intended effect therein. ---
Originally by: "Reticenti" Oh, one note to Scius, you have made Goons and BoB agree on something. Good job.
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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
[1930]
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Triksterism
You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
Great. Let them take a break from Eve. And like any other service, they get NONE of the benefits the paying customers do while they are gone! Everyone acts like this was an entitlement...that you should be entitled to some perk without paying. Bullcookies.
Oh, and yet again...the flippin' game manual is NOT a promotion! I'd also like to see a survey that asks people's primary reason for starting to play Eve - while I'd bet that offline skill gain would make the top three, I'd lay money that inactive skill gain wouldn't. Or maybe people are bigger parasites than I want to believe...
Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
The thing here though, Annaphera, is that people can still train a skill but the trade off is they can't play without paying. Unfortunatly there are those who abuse it to farm isk. -
Ghost Train & Snowflake |
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
[1931]
Originally by: Jorel
I realize the EULA reasons that all virtual items are property of CCP etc. That being said, if I didn't 'feel' that I owned my character, they would never have gotten any money out of me. If I was renting a car I would pay for the time I used it and it would remain the same car the next time I rented it, but there would be maintenance done on it in the interim, I would have fresh oil, washer fluid etc.
You point is void.
Just because you feel like you own your character doesn't make it so ... You're still basically playing with CCP's property and if you want to do that, then you need to pay for it.
You are having maintenance done. The servers are being taken care of, content is being added, bug fixes are being put in. What you're wanting is your character to progress while you're not having to spend any time or money on that character. How does that make any sense?
If you want to ghost train, then you should have to spent some money ... Just like if you still want insurance on your car you have to pay for it.
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Ratamatahata
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:16:00 -
[1932]
Now additionally I cant cancel my subscription because subscription page is under maintenance.
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Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:17:00 -
[1933]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
They're not upping the subscription fee, they're just closing a loop hole that players have been using to improve their characters without paying for the game. Which probably has gotten to be more of a problem since they started allowing characters to be bought and sold.
Hey you're right, I shouldn't be telling the guy what to do with his money. It's best not to try and help people by making a suggestion and let them be idiots and hurt themselves. I say remove the safety warning from all products and let Darwinism take over.
No matter if you call it a bug or a loophole, it used to be a fact in the game for 5 years and people were counting on it. With the "loophole" closed, you can do the exact same thing but you need to pay for it. If needing to pay more in order to get the same service is not upping the price, I don't know what is. If being able to skill up without paying til your current skill fills up is a loophole, how would you call forcing players to pay the full price of playing AND skilling up if they only need to do the passive skilling part? If they want to make players pay, then instituting a separate tariff for just skilling is a much more sensible solution.
And you are not putting a safety label here in this topic, you are basically telling people that if they are poor, they can go shove it since they have no place in Eve with its updated prices - which they have already figured for themselves with all the "zomg i quit" posts here.
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Midas Man
Caldari Dzark Asylum
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:18:00 -
[1934]
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Adam Slysphere
Originally by: Lag This change is complete crap.
Why should I pay for a months time that my character will not be able to do anything?
it is doing something. It's learning a new skill ...
Which is basically just a clock ticking while you take a break from the game. No bandwidth use and anyone is free to do it.
As someone stated earlier: Why should a character gain in value when there's no money being spent on said character?
What other service in the world allows you to use it without being paid for in a consistent manor? Does the phone company not bill you on the days you don't make any phone calls? Does your ISP not charge your for the days you don't serf the web? You're receiving a service and your character is progressing. You should have to pay for said service.
Fair enough but if you had a deal that when you signed were told You only pay line rental when you make a call.
Then 3 months later you get a memo say the we will now charge line rental for everyday even if you dont make a call the offer we give you was a typo. im sure youd be a bit ****ed off. now if the contract you signed says we have the right do as we please when we please. you have no case to argue.
Is this fair business practise no. And nor is what CCP are doing
An the 2000+ post is just proving to them how much they are hurting the player base who will reduce account or emoquit.
So all in all its a Lose/Lose for CCP
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Ar'tee
DarkStar 1 GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:19:00 -
[1935]
Originally by: CCP Fallout
A long overdue and much needed change will be put in place with the Wednesday, 15 October 2008 patch. Ghost Training, the continuous skill gain on accounts in an inactive or expired state - will no longer function after Wednesday, 15 October 2008. This practice upsets the balance of our bank accounts, which frankly we can do without given the financial situation our country is currently in, and capsuleers who actively put their money into not logging into our game because training works just as well when you're logged off will no longer be unfairly affected by those few who cost us precious dollars by doing basically the exact same thing except without paying us money for it.
Fixed that statement for you.
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Wygg
Minmatar Hadean Drive Yards Archaean Cooperative
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:19:00 -
[1936]
The easy solution to this whole problem is really quite simple.
Prohibit the sale of any character that's been inactive for a set percentage of their lifespan.
25%? 50%? 75%? Something could be worked out. It would stop the farming of characters simply for ISK generation and allow people with RL issues the ability to still reap a reward. Spend X% of the time with the account/characters inactive and you can't sell them. Sounds like a compromise.
Sure it would be nice to be able to train three characters simultaneously. Multi-skill training would be nifty and a training queue would be a boon. That having been said, the other side of the argument begs why you shouldn't have to play a character who's training a long skill?
This coming from a guy who's got quite a few skills at V and who hasn't gone inactive for them.
(And to all the peeps bemoaning what a "weak" or "mediocre" game Eve is ... why don't you just quit, then? Really. Just go.)
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Alleneara
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:20:00 -
[1937]
Originally by: Triksterism Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
Yup, in WoW the rested XP (allowing XP gain from mobs at twice the usual amount for a maximum of up to 1,5 levels, which takes 10 days of being in an inn or city to reach) accumulates when game time has run out.
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Kalintos Tyl
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:20:00 -
[1938]
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/0810/lie.jpg
sure
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Tobias Lee
UK Corp Mostly Harmless
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:20:00 -
[1939]
Does the phone company not bill you on the days you don't make any phone calls?
Dunno who posted this but i do know i only pay for the phone calls i make :) i dont Pay for a phone call that was not made :P
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Adam Slysphere
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:20:00 -
[1940]
Originally by: Triksterism
Originally by: Annaphera
Originally by: Triksterism
You're missing the point. Not everyone ghost trains their level 5's. However, it is a popular thing to do when people want to take a break from eve. People should have the option. It is what CCP promoted and it is what has attracted many people to the game.
Great. Let them take a break from Eve. And like any other service, they get NONE of the benefits the paying customers do while they are gone! Everyone acts like this was an entitlement...that you should be entitled to some perk without paying. Bullcookies.
Oh, and yet again...the flippin' game manual is NOT a promotion! I'd also like to see a survey that asks people's primary reason for starting to play Eve - while I'd bet that offline skill gain would make the top three, I'd lay money that inactive skill gain wouldn't. Or maybe people are bigger parasites than I want to believe...
Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
The thing here though, Annaphera, is that people can still train a skill but the trade off is they can't play without paying. Unfortunatly there are those who abuse it to farm isk.
You can only get a set amount of sleep xp, which maxes out after a few days so that's not really a big deal. It would be better to say that WoW character go do Kara raids on their own after people cancel their accounts, so when the players return they have lots of new stuff to play with.
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Triksterism
Gallente Frozen Corpse Inspection Services United Federation of Capsuleers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 -
[1941]
Edited by: Triksterism on 14/10/2008 15:22:02
Originally by: Alleneara
Originally by: Triksterism Do people on WoW continue to get "sleep xp" when their accounts are inactive? Just wondering.
Yup, in WoW the rested XP (allowing XP gain from mobs at twice the usual amount for a maximum of up to 1,5 levels, which takes 10 days of being in an inn or city to reach) accumulates when game time has run out.
Well there ya go. Thank you. -
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LadyMaverick
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 -
[1942]
So basically, now I have to PAY AND WAIT till I get to..say.. carrier... So what if I find out that after having to pay and wait a few months I don't like flying carriers?! Can I have my money back?
If I can ghosttrain, I cut my costs. I pay little for unwanted waiting. Waiting that brings me no joy whatsoever itself!
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Sean Drake
Caldari Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 -
[1943]
Edited by: Sean Drake on 14/10/2008 15:24:14 lol I see CCCP are ninja editing there own website remeber kids if we delete it it never existed
and yay I canceled before they had tech problems
If Goons AND BoB are agreeing with each other that your idea is stupid, it's probably stupid.
CCP has bee |
Borg Zorg
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:22:00 -
[1944]
Originally by: thelung187 Edited by: thelung187 on 14/10/2008 15:02:15
Originally by: Avon Hey, your bug...
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
I found it in the player guide.
You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.
Quoting this due to the lol/"working-as-intended-wait-we-get-more-money-maybe-the-other-way" factor.
edit: glad to see you were able to edit that so quickly, way to be on top of it CCP!
Fu... bastards. Shame on you,this game is going down just for this way of treting coustomers. Thay did actualy change that line in player guide. What a bounch of incompetent s.......rs
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D4RT N3RDiUS
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:23:00 -
[1945]
Quote: Now additionally I cant cancel my subscription because subscription page is under maintenance
go to your credit card and cancel the last payment XD see wth happen you play free 1 mont.. again ccp are you making things worst cant cancel the suscriction... mmm to many players cancel theyrs? lol.. are you afreid of the angry players wh are leaving with hey money to anther place? ... is your fault ccp dont blame the players..
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WeightedCompanionCube
Aperture Science Enrichment Center
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:23:00 -
[1946]
How many people here are actually going to terminate their character in protest rather then just cancel, an action that is easily reversible ? |
Seth Ruin
Minmatar Ominous Corp Ethereal Dawn
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:25:00 -
[1947]
Arg, the number of "If you didn't pay for xxx service in real life you wouldn't get anything from it either" posts...
Listen, this ghost skill training issue is something akin to this:
You sign up for a cell phone contract. You get one of their "free" cell phones for a sign-up bonus. When the contract's up, you don't renew because you can't afford it.
Ghost training can be thought of as still being able to keep your handset. You can still change your wallpapers, listen to MP3s on it, use it as a phone... you just can't make calls or do anything that depends on having a network. I don't know of any cell phone company that repossesses the cell phone after a contract is expired.
However, this isn't the main issue here
The majority of us are complaining about being lied to, like children, idiots, sheep, or what-have-you. Had CCP announced, say a month before they planned to implement it, that they were disabling this feature because it was being abused, fine. But instead they claim it's a balance issue and then a bug.
I am frustrated. Over the past few years, CCP's PR has not improved. Their communication still sucks, and they still have this habit of lying to their customers.
We just want to be treated with respect
-- (CCP Inconsistency)
Why cover it up? We KNOW it's all just about money |
Wussie
Delusions 0f Grandeur G00DFELLAS
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:25:00 -
[1948]
I for one would like to see a skill queue to soothe the drama tears of this change. With training stopping when the account goes inactive there's basically no drawback left for CCP withholding them from introducing the training queue. lovesauce |
Gorek Loc
Etherware Heavy Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:25:00 -
[1949]
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube How many people here are actually going to terminate their character in protest rather then just cancel, an action that is easily reversible ?
If I cancel one of my 3 accounts for 3 months, it will cost CCP more than if I ghost-train for a whole year.
the point is, if you ghost-train, you will be getting back to the game with a better character, and possibly being able to do what you wanted to do from the beginning.
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CowsCANBark
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Posted - 2008.10.14 15:26:00 -
[1950]
Originally by: WeightedCompanionCube How many people here are actually going to terminate their character in protest rather then just cancel, an action that is easily reversible ?
Seeing as how they took down account management, zero.
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