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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: Soma Khan
Originally by: ISIAM
Originally by: Sahara Eternity Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:55:00 Edited by: Sahara Eternity on 14/10/2008 19:54:18
Originally by: Lallante That may be true, but CCP have never said they didnt want us to use the unintended feature while it was possible to do so. In fact, the implication is they didnt mind us using it. This has absolutely ZERO baring on whether they intended to change it.
eXcuse me ... who are you ? You have 8 post in the last 30 posts on this thread ... Are you a CCP official ? If not stop posting and let people tell theyr story, if yes log in your main please.
EDIT: You beat me to it, make that 9 posts on 2 pages ... Opps added 1 more ...
INDEED. (..)
Upset that your arguments fall apart when subjected to reality and logic? Looking for ways to inject more tinfoil-hattery into this thread to cover up the lack of any coherent thoughts from your side?
HowÆs this one: CCP hid this thread from the general public out of embarrassment for the kinds of ******s their game attracts.
Do you work for C.C.P. ?
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Siona Windweaver
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: BIind
Originally by: Siona Windweaver Edited by: Siona Windweaver on 14/10/2008 20:25:03 Thread got stealth nerfed!
You can't see it from EVE Information Portal anymore :P
Edit: Seems everything gets bugged today :P
we know, right?
Just putting on this page for the record
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:27:00 -
[2583]
Edited by: Shar Tegral on 14/10/2008 21:14:03
Refers to moderated post - MitnalHey, stop screwing up my forum tags when you moderate me - Shar Tegral Originally by: The Ubernomicon The only reason you don't want that image displayed is that it is makes light of CCP's terrible customer service and the recent direction they have been going.
Every time I've seen that image I've reported it. It breaks the forums - I use disabled software to assist me in reading the forums. Also it unnecessarily eats up bandwidth that I don't care to share with you. (You do know that metered service exists in many locations yes?) That being said, I lol'd the first time I saw it. That's the only lol you got. Still reported it the first time I saw it and have reported every forum breaking image or post made. And I have read every post so far in both thread-naughts. Please, to boost my ego, suggest I work for CCP. I don't think you could issue a greater insult to CCP than to make that suggestion. (They love me even less than the emo-ragers/quitters/trollers.)
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Emerald Cortess
Caldari Konstrukteure der Zukunft
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:28:00 -
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My Acc will end at thursday and i planned a eve-break to focus more on studying. Ghost-Training doesn't have a influence on this decision wether to make this break or not, but it for me, it always had a strong influence on my decision of subscribing again. Thanks CCP, u made the decision to look at some other things than eve easier.
No, u can't have my stuff, it's back in the Corp-Assets.
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Mr Patches
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away
Such hubris.
But to be fair, if you were a dev you would know who he is.
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Annaphera
Minmatar Super Green Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Annaphera on 14/10/2008 20:33:43 Just a note to everyone who is yelling about a "ninja edit" in the players guide. What would have made you happy, hmm? It was left for almost a full day after the announcement. Then, because more people would have had hysterics if the change had been implemented without changing the guide, the guide was changed to reflect the way the game would behave in less than 24 hours. Had they delayed until even one minute after the patch was implemented, this forum would have sprouted a different river of flame, yelling about how it was listed in the guide but wasn't in the game, and "why can't CCP keep the guide up to date?"
If it had been a real ninja edit, it would have vanished either before the change was announced, or immediately when it was mentioned here. Either that, or CCP has some damned lazy ninjas. I don't think they missed that fact that dozens of people were screaming in here that they took screenshots of the page so there was "proof" (not sure of what, exactly, but...); they probably figured there was no reason to court another problem by waiting any longer.
So...apparently, with people here it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. I don't think the rest of the Eve community will miss you.
Now, I think I'll check back in two days and get a few laughs at the people who missed the news item and start screaming that "no one reads the news".
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wert668
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:31:00 -
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You really starting to **** me off. Year by year you making more and more crap. I just starting to hate every word you say.
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Huan Hunglong
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:31:00 -
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Originally by: Lallante
Originally by: James Marshalll Edited by: James Marshalll on 14/10/2008 20:20:02
Originally by: Waynetta Slob
Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away
omfg.
Yea if you didn't know he paid kugutsumen to hack goons forums back in the day, I think he was in Shinra too with his good buddy theenslaver who now is a gm? maybe dev don't remember which. Also one of the reasons if I remember right that chowdown has his Titan. You see, when you get free T2 bpo's and have friends who would be affected by CCP losing subs you MUST defend feverishly the actions of those who keep you going in game.
of course I could be thinking bout the wrong BoBit =)
No, thats me. I've also been outed as a GM by XirtamVOTF back in the day.
Perhaps Xirt was right for once in his life!
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Catherine Frasier on 14/10/2008 20:39:50
Originally by: Zinnn Catherine Frasier is working for CCP.
I don't know anyone so tenacious and saying the same thing over and over again, and NOT be paid for it.
Woo hoo! I hope that means they've got a cheque in the mail to me.
(Hey! CCP! I want $CAN, none of that waste-paper ISK!)
Originally by: Zinnn She refuses to recognize that people feel betrayed, duped into playing more eve online (with the power of two), and that people have a valid reason to be upset
Sure people feel betrayed, duped, etc... What I don't recognize is that they have anything like a valid reason to feel that way.
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The Ubernomicon
Eight year old girls GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Refers to moderated post - Mitnal
The only reason you don't want that image displayed is that it is makes light of CCP's terrible customer service and the recent direction they have been going.
Every time I've seen that image I've reported it. It breaks the forums - I use disabled software to assist me in reading the forums. Also it unnecessarily eats up bandwidth that I don't care to share with you. (You do know that metered service exists in many locations yes?)
That being said, I lol'd the first time I saw it. That's the only lol you got. Still reported it the first time I saw it and have reported every forum breaking image or post made. And I have read every post so far in both thread-naughts.
Please, to boost my ego, suggest I work for CCP. I don't think you could issue a greater insult to CCP than to make that suggestion.
(They love me even less than the emo-ragers/quitters/trollers.)[/justify]
CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.
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CliveMerric
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:32:00 -
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ccp please let us know if you plan on implmemeting this change still.
i need to know so i can cancel my accounts Clives BPC shop, Great deals!! |
StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:32:00 -
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I AM 100% AGAINST THIS CHANGE
DO NOT PROCEED ERASE ANY MENTION OF THIS INCIDENT NO ONE WILL MIND INFACT WE WOULD LOVE YOU GUYS!
That said, I can see where they are coming from. In fact, I added up all the skills that I ghost trained on my main, and it ended up being at least 12,544,000 SP. Imagine a new player having to train all that normally in game. They may as well not even begin.
It is going to suck to have to pay CCP $30 just to sit on a jump clone and train something like command ships V or any cap ship to V, not being able to play a game you pay for because you do not want to risk losing 500m isk worth of implants or more.
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Ha'Uler
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Shar Tegral Refers to moderated post - Mitnal
The only reason you don't want that image displayed is that it is makes light of CCP's terrible customer service and the recent direction they have been going.
Every time I've seen that image I've reported it. It breaks the forums - I use disabled software to assist me in reading the forums. Also it unnecessarily eats up bandwidth that I don't care to share with you. (You do know that metered service exists in many locations yes?)
That being said, I lol'd the first time I saw it. That's the only lol you got. Still reported it the first time I saw it and have reported every forum breaking image or post made. And I have read every post so far in both thread-naughts.
Please, to boost my ego, suggest I work for CCP. I don't think you could issue a greater insult to CCP than to make that suggestion.
(They love me even less than the emo-ragers/quitters/trollers.)[/justify]
If tiny images and bandwidth usage are so important for you, you should change your settings.
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Huan Hunglong
Intensive CareBearz
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:33:00 -
[2594]
Originally by: Mr Patches
Originally by: Lallante This is my main. If you havnt heard of me, it simply means you havnt been playing Eve long enough. You dont control the forums, you dont decide who posts. Go away
Such hubris.
But to be fair, if you were a dev you would know who he is.
Yeah, hed be under 'L' on your MSN list.
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Aaah
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:34:00 -
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This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters. I think this patch is a beginning of the eve death
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t0tum
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:35:00 -
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We all know EVE, unlike any other mmo, is not new player base dependant. It is long time, experienced players who keep CCP afloat with countless amounts of alts. And lets not forget forum GTCÆs sellers who feed the rest with their time codes. This new change will trash the alts upkeep and will not be backed up by new player flow!
Tomorrow, when CCP implements this, it means they care shit about what u think and ur subscription loss is acceptable to them. I just wanna stick around and see how this fail will roll out and admire the downfall.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: Aaah This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters.
Unless, you know, they pay for them.
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BleuSc
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:37:00 -
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Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans But recently we have seen a surge in this behavior [ghost training]...
Surely this has nothing to do with the GTC price... changes in the summer (both in ISK and in RL money), hmm?
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:38:00 -
[2599]
Originally by: Aaah This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters. I think this patch is a beginning of the eve death
I second.
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Mallikan
Gallente Plundering Penguins Anarchy.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:38:00 -
[2600]
Originally by: Zanquis
As soon as they get that bloody account page online, I am canceling both my accounts which are currently active. Will I return? I do not know, I do not like to be lied to. This is a cash grab, and I resent you calling this a bug and implying I am an exploiter for using something you put in your god damn player guide.
Bye!! --- lol.. I messed up.
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Shard Merchant
Minmatar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:40:00 -
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To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did. _______________________________________________ CCP CENSORSHIP ALERT: CAN YOU SPOT IT? |
Creepin
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:41:00 -
[2602]
The most disgusting in all this issue is that CCP preferred to hide behind half-cooked lie which is believed by no-one anyway instead of honestly standing up saying "hey, now we need more money, oh precious cash-cows!"
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Jocho
Caldari Warped Mining
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:42:00 -
[2603]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Zinnn Catherine Frasier is working for CCP.
I don't know anyone so tenacious and saying the same thing over and over again, and NOT be paid for it.
Woo hoo! I hope that means the've got a cheque in the mail to me.
(Hey! CCP! I want $CAN, none of that waste-paper ISK!)
Originally by: Zinnn She refuses to recognize that people feel betrayed, duped into playing more eve online (with the power of two), and that people have a valid reason to be upset
Sure people feel betrayed, duped, etc... What I don't recognize is that they have anything like a valid reason to feel that way.
They have a valid reason as it was a feature eve was sold to them on! It was on the character training page up too late last night (which has now been edited), and CCP workers have made past comments stating that it would be kept in. This shows that it blatantly is not a bug, and so for CCP to turn around and say otherwise, its obviously just for more cash, and yet offering the player less. Also it gives older players a massive advantage over newer ones.
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ISIAM
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:42:00 -
[2604]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: Aaah This patch killing all new players. New player have not any chance to train multiple characters.
Unless, you know, they pay for them.
Yea, it will only take them years and years and thousands and thousands of dollars.
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Yakumo Smith
Gallente When Darkness Falls
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:44:00 -
[2605]
Originally by: Shard Merchant To recap..
- Release a short news bit regarding widespread and significant change that would occur in 48 hours.
- Buried with other news minutes later.
- 50 pages of posting follow, discussing the legitimacy of this change as per the reasons given.
- Locked 50 pages of posts because a blog was posted, that repeats the same message.
- Dev blog mentions the 'business side' of this move, which the news post omitted.
- 70 pages of new postings follow.
- Thread disappears from Information Portal. Players find it and continue posting.
- Player guide gets edited to remove controversial remarks.
Without discussing the removal of "ghost training" specifically, what we have here is an attempt to pull a fast one on the players. It is easily the biggest attempted ninja nerf in the history of this game. Your customers deserve:
- More than two days of warning, so they can find out about the changes and plan accordingly
- More visible warning, like the login screen MOTD
- More transparency and honesty about the reasons by discussing all the reasons
Hard decisions are always hard, but how you handle them determines if you gain or lose respect. The player is going to feel screwed by changes that affect them poorly, and this is the equivalent of adding insult to injury.
A lot of people are willing to defend this company regardless of what they do (4S name change, t20 scandal), but this community was built on a common respect for the makers of this game even if they didn't always agree. That was eons ago.
You might not see a dip in subscriber counts, but you'll see an increase in player churn that requires more marketing money to support. You not only lose massive amounts of free word of mouth advertising, but scare away players with the amount of ex-EVE types that leave disgruntled at something you did.
signed, nice summary.
In other news my bio was invaded by one of the CCP lag ghosts :( Turns out ghosts do slow you down.
I suppose this must be my sig. I'll do something cool with it eventually. |
StealthGerbils
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:44:00 -
[2606]
I support them removing ghost training if they give every character a free lvl V skill of their choice (excluding rank 12 and above to make it more fair)
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Shar Tegral
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: The Ubernomicon CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.
Originally by: Ha'Uler If tiny images and bandwidth usage are so important for you, you should change your settings.
[ sarcasm] Ah yes, I should go limit myself simply because others can't limit themselves. A perfect solution. [ /sarcasm] I love many of the signature banners that people create. Also, many people do share images that provide information and can somehow figure out how to do so without breaking the forums or the forum rules. So I'll reiterate, why should I diminish who I am simply because others can't seem to maintain any self control or exercise restraint? Mind you if the community had exercised some restraint over subbing it wouldn't have been so heavily farmed in the first place and we wouldn't be here. Wait, who am I kidding. This community spawns whining like .... ... ... Damn I can't think of anything to match the quantity of whining this community does.
To Shar -verb: 1 - To say what you mean. 2 - To say what it means. 3 - To say something mean. |
Ratio Legis
Slacker Industries
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:45:00 -
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Originally by: Catherine Frasier Sure people feel betrayed, duped, etc... What I don't recognize is that they have anything like a valid reason to feel that way.
And it never came into your mind that actually the moron might be you and not everyone else?
How about having the price of the service increased for no good reason, without sufficient prior warning and just after a promotion campaign that capitalized on the fact the price increase was not made public before it? Also, how about deceived and treated like halfwits by CCP's attempts at PR?
And, lastly, how about having to deal with trolls like yourself in a thread about an issue that's about as clear cut as it can ever get?
Maybe you should read that blog again yourself, especially the part where it says
Originally by: CCP t0rfifrans Now I'm not saying that if me personally would be at the other end of this Dev Blog I wouldn't be annoyed by CCP's actions.
I guess he says that for nothing like a valid reason...
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Thesiuss
Oberon Incorporated Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 -
[2609]
I too had planned to set a really long skill train as I took a break. I've done so in the past and it was a good reason for me to eventually come back to eve.
Now I won't have that one thing to help draw me back after 5 years of playing.
Might as well move all my assets into corp hangers just incase I don't come back now.
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Nathan Stahn
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 20:46:00 -
[2610]
Originally by: Shar Tegral
Originally by: The Ubernomicon CCP added the ability to hide images. I recommend you check your forum settings.
Originally by: Ha'Uler If tiny images and bandwidth usage are so important for you, you should change your settings.
[ sarcasm] Ah yes, I should go limit myself simply because others can't limit themselves. A perfect solution. [ /sarcasm] I love many of the signature banners that people create. Also, many people do share images that provide information and can somehow figure out how to do so without breaking the forums or the forum rules. So I'll reiterate, why should I diminish who I am simply because others can't seem to maintain any self control or exercise restraint? Mind you if the community had exercised some restraint over subbing it wouldn't have been so heavily farmed in the first place and we wouldn't be here. Wait, who am I kidding. This community spawns whining like .... ... ... Damn I can't think of anything to match the quantity of whining this community does.
Your logic is flawless.
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