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Novantco
Gallente The Tuskers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:15:00 -
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Funny how CCP has just been running "The power of 2" promotion, which ended only days ago. So quite a few people including my self probably got another account. They then just days afterwards announce this, funny timing eh?
But you have to make money you're a business after all. So steps must be taken to insure that which is more then fair enough. Except you already force people to buy a second account for any sort of alt that you wish to train properly otherwise you gimp your main. You then go and do this making people pay EVEN more money! I mean come on CCP thatĘs just plain greedy, you barely gave any warning of this and are now expecting the bucks to come rolling in when people reactivate accounts.
But I doubt that will happen and you probably end up with more of a loss in revenue then a gain. So then what up the sub fees? I'm glad I didn't get more then one other account so this doesn't really affect me at the moment. But it sure is a kick in the face to people with multiple accounts.
Oh and lmfao at what it say's in the player guide as Avon tracked down. Is this the person who is charge of these big decisions? I think so!
Originally by: Avon Hey, your bug...
Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
I found it in the player guide.
You guys better get in there and ninja-edit it.
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:15:00 -
[242]
Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed!
http://www.webng.com/sanadis/pictures/lies.jpg
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
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BlackDeej
Aquila Astralis
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed! CCP Lies
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
Quoted. And btw CCP deleting peoples posts is NOT gonna make this go away !!!
Quote: Light is faster than sound, this is why some people appear bright until they speak.
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Jaxxon Voers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: DigitalCommunist
Originally by: Saraah Leeown Great stuff, I play eve online, not "unsubscribed skill training online" Please make sure all RP etc is stopped on an unsubscribed account to thanks.
Bye bye deadwood
End yourself.
Preferably via: ingested bleach, starving tiger sharks, sex with madeline albright.
Albright? You sick, twisted monster.
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Harik A'ttar
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:16:00 -
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I still think skill training is way too easy. We shouldn't just "train" by clicking a skill and waiting. I'm sure others agree - you should earn skillpoints by blowing up rats or running missions.
It's such a worthless feature and that's why no other online game does it. The only "special snowflake" here is EVE.
In serious news, allow me to thank you. When my account lapses I'll have a lot less reason to renew. No new ship to fly when I get back, no T2 weapons, nothing exciting and new. My last few resubs were due to "hey I wonder if HACs are fun." and "Cool I can go for capitals now."
Oh, and it's one less way for me to entice people to play, too. "Hey, if you get bored of the game, train towards something that looks fun and come back in a few months." Which probably means less of my friends will come back... which is even less reason to resub.
I mean, it's not like you didn't see this coming. I remember when you implemented this idiocy on the Chinese server and had to post a devblog explaining that it did NOT affect Tranquility.
P.S. thanks for the post saying "CCP Database developers are complete idiots." because if you implemented skill training as any kind of active process that takes any resources at all, well... That takes a really Special Snowflake of it's own.
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Fitz VonHeise
The New Order.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:16:00 -
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Originally by: Chirinako I'm now beginning to realise why Iceland is bankrupt.
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Terastra
State War Academy
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:17:00 -
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Edited by: Terastra on 14/10/2008 00:17:51
Quote: Actually, he is right tbh. Why should people be able to gain RP, and thus ISK on accounts that they aren't paying for?
no real in game reason but from a purely business model for ccp they will find out this is a huge gaff.
there were always limits to how ghost training works that made it so that this type of training always forced you to resub in no longer than 60 days (certainly exceptions like carrier 5 exist etc) but usually much sooner. otherwise ghost "surfing" would lose its benefit. ccp was going to get their cash, maybe not as regularly as every 30 days but they could still depend on more from these accounts.
now people who surf for monetary reasons including those who just can't see justifying a 2nd, 3rd or 4th+ account at $15 every single month but who like the benefit of picking and choosing will have no option but to kill the accounts.
with ccp's very own words saying the trend has taken off recently this tells me that those accounts that are doing this that would pay in the next month or two will likely now become zero sum accounts.
essentially ccp just killed two types of account holders which i suspect make up a rather large chunk of their business. those who really just can't afford to pay every month and those with multiple accounts who can't justify it every month. the later will be where they feel the most pain.
oh well, i was planning on a few month break to get refreshed but this turns that into a, no point in coming back with the 30-60 days of training i will lose.
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Kwa Kaine
eXceed Inc. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:17:00 -
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Typical CCP tbh.
CCP = Blizzard in training
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Cailais
Amarr VITOC
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Chirinako I'm now beginning to realise why Iceland is bankrupt.
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C.
Originally by: Tarminic Your continued whining is somewhat diminished by your continued willingness to give your money to CCP.
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Frug
Repo Industries R.E.P.O.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Doesn't bother me at all, but please remove datacore farming from inactive accounts as well.
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Col Carter
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Letouk Mernel Doubt you'll see this in all the spam, but how exactly does this work? Could you please give an example of a character who's training Battleship 5 for another 30 days and his subscription will expire in 10 days?
And another example with a character whose subscription has already expired, 5 days ago?
Well, it'll keep training till the moment the account expires. In your case, it will train BS 5 for another 10 days, all this starts wednesday, so add 2 days. 10 days after wednesday it stops.
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Mirida
Meltd0wn iPOD Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Torfi, i'm pretty sure you are actually a nice guy but this devblog is just the same bullshit cooked up once again.
Removing one of the features that make EVE unique (and me paying again (Skill finished, i pay to setup a new one) although i'm not even playing currently) is not going to draw me back to playing EVE and having a full-time subscription.
I again suggest to reconsider this and punishing the one who pushed such a change in this manner and so fast (Firing isn't really an option as i trust in people beeing able to learn from mistakes). ___________________
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Sanadis
Gallente Sphere Industries Combined Planetary Union
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Originally by: Malcanis
Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed!
http://www.webng.com/sanadis/pictures/lies.jpg
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
CCP, stop tring to hide the truth from everybody by deleting our posts, you are way overstepping this!
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Vanessa Vasquez
Lyonesse. KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Facts: 1) I won't subscribe just for skilling time. Especially if i can't influence it and you set the skilltime. If i would, we may have BS5 up to 60 days in some time. 2) I will not pay for a second (or 3rd, 4th) account to experience all aspects of the game. Especially not, if all other MMOs don't require multiple accounts to do that. IN fact, i'll cancel my second account. 3) You are taking away possitive aspects of eve and not adding a single new one
1 = no profit to make here in my case 2 = pure loss 3 = from your point of view, a loss of your products attractiveness as well
You call it if this is a clever move. Don't get me wrong on this. I don't have a particular problem with the removal of ghost training. But i highly doubt that this change will benefit anybody.
PS: As others stated allready, it was nice to set a long skill while having RL reasons (or whatever) and then return to the game. I always reactivated my account to see my new toy, even if i got bored before. May sounds weird as eve is so great. Never the less, it actually happend to me twice.
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Biosman
No Quarter. Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:18:00 -
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Edited by: Biosman on 14/10/2008 00:20:45
Quote: Now a single customer that doesn't log into the servers may not weigh heavily on our database infrastructure, just as a single snowflake isn't that heavy, hardly a measurable quantity. But it's hard not to notice an avalanche if it hits you. And that's what was starting to happen in our database.
The avalanche is definately gonna hit you ccp,wrecking for damage to your credibility now everyone can see that it was indeed part of a unique "feature" hence the RP gains earning isk.You do not have a leg to stand on and the only way to redeem yourselves is to backpedal on this unpopular idea pretty sharpish.
Tbh,I would have respected you more if you just said "Dear Eve users,ccp is having some difficulties atm with the global money crisis and unfortunately we need to raise the price a little,maybe for just a short period,to be able to bring you the service you deserve for all your years of loyalty"
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Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:19:00 -
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Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
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Maria Huana
Caldari 4th FLEET of REDARMY Red Army Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:19:00 -
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hey CCP. I`m idiot,so can i become ur database developer?
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Malcanis
RuffRyders Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
[258]
Originally by: BlackDeej
Originally by: Sanadis That's right CCP, show your real colors, keep deleting our posts that display the truth.
Edited by: Sanadis on 13/10/2008 23:59:48 I say good riddens to ghost training.
Even if this was promoted as a feature, it really is not a good one to the people who pay for the same thing someone else is getting while ghost training. I always keep my accounts active, no matter what. Losing a little skill training here and there is fine, but I actually PLAY the game while paying for it. It is only fair that ghost training is removed, because you should not get something that you are not paying for.
----------EDIT---------- BUT what is not fair is that you are lieing to us CCP, and I am disappointed! CCP Lies
You have been promoting this "Bug" as a "Feature" up until now. Tell us the real reason behind its removal CCP!
Come on, someone quote me on this and see if they delete it
Quoted. And btw CCP deleting peoples posts is NOT gonna make this go away !!!
Streisand effect detected...
Want to bet this hits slashdot within 40 hours?
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Lubomir Penev
Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
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Nice job deleting my posts in the original thread.
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Nina Korgan
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Ivor Gunn Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 14/10/2008 00:04:27 Edited by: Ivor Gunn on 14/10/2008 00:01:11
Quote: Ghost Training was an unintended feature
No it wasn't.
Quote: Skills continue training even if you are logged off or if your account is inactive
You contradict your own knowledge base. Pure hypocrisy.
In the blog, you try to justify this by talking about bug fixing, game balance issues and database issues across the space of a few paragraphs.
Do you even know yourselves why you're doing this? Will you be removing all other "offline" activities? POS work, manufacturing, RP generation, market orders the list goes on.
-3 accounts. Purely for lying to us, you shameless money grabbing corporate *****s.
QFT. -3 accounts here too.
I was holding off on ghost training so that I could play the game and then take a month or two off and focus on work/school, then come back to some cool new stuff. I now know that I'm not going to make it to a Guardian on my support account, or a Paladin on my ratting account, or T2 larges on my main account, without paying a huge stack of cash to get there. (On TOP OF the $785 I've paid in subscription fees so far!)
The only depressing part of this is, even if the number of lost accounts is high enough to make this a losing proposition for CCP (which I'm sure it will be), they'll never put it back in because their pride wouldn't let them. I can just hope the proposal gets scrapped before it goes in.
I know for sure that I'm ****ing out if this goes in and I'm staying out as long as it is in, because EVE already isn't worth the nearly $800 I've spent on it since I started playing; I'm sure as hell not paying more just to get skills.
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Vasili Z
Pyre of Gods
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
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Sounds fine to me. -------
Muse - Official band of frapsed Eve videos
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midge Mo'yb
Antares Shipyards Vanguard.
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
lol
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Wansadicus
Caldari The Smoke Squadron
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Wansadicus on 14/10/2008 00:21:41 I personally have used this only two times, but as a Businessman, i see this clearly as a Bad Move!
Think again, lots of people need to stop playing for vacations or other reasons, sometimes they stay months away, and now they will think twice before reactivating, since "nothing" has changed in their characters while they where away from the game.
This was one of the "unique" features of Eve Online. and now...
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Cueball Mcfuzz
Groon Research
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Looks like 3 posts have been deleted off the first page alone, and I've been reading since the beginning. Nothing particularly insulting or against the EULA.
Typical! Think back to T20 and every other time CCP has screwed the pooch- frantic deleting that always descends into having to deal with the issue. Why not just deal with the issue now?
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Avon
Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
[265]
Originally by: Malcanis
Want to bet this hits slashdot within 40 hours?
Honestly I hope it doesn't. It would only make things worse for Eve in general tbh.
Poking CCP in here is one thing, but *out there*?
~shudders~
Eve-Online: The Text Adventure |
BDC Secretary
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
[266]
Epic Fail.
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Rramar Claime
Amarr Task Force Zener Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Pretty obvious the only reason for this stupidity is that someone in a high chair shouted for more money. Where can you get more money? Oh there are a lot of alts not paying. These guys are stupid anyway, lets harvest some isk from inactive skill training, then the stupid 5 year old boys will go shouting to their daddy that they cant finish carrier 5, so they will pay for the alt to be active whatever the cost is. This is how it goes with eve users right? Brilliant idea, CCP is so poor it actually does have the moral capital to **** off its own users and turn it into money.
Absolutely no other reason, and since youre doing things like this to your! community you can expect just as much from us.
"I cherish the memories of a question my grandson asked me the other day, when he said; 'Grandpa, were you a hero in the war?' Grandpa said, 'No, but I served in a company of heroes." |
Idara
Caldari Failure Corp
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Edited by: Idara on 14/10/2008 00:21:35
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
Sig updated. TY.
Still a horrible idea++ --- Failure Corp [FAILD] - Failing to fail first
in EVE - Idara |
Aganola
Amarr Hungarian Riflemen Regiment
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:21:00 -
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Originally by: midge Mo'yb
Originally by: Aganola
Originally by: Idara New sig pimpage.
SHC 4tw.
Also: way to lock the other thread.
geez it's my image!! cool! edit:
forum compliant crapy version:
lol
use it! spread it! let them HEAR IT / SEE IT / FEAR IT! :D ----------------------------------------------- "I do not belive in reicarnation... I didn't believed in it in my previous lives either..."
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BoroDracula
4 wing Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2008.10.14 00:22:00 -
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How come we have had no Dev speak of the player eve guide. Surely this is a blog they should be actively contributing too.
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