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Enkryption
Intergalactic Pool Boys
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:57:00 -
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So a lot of 0.0 entities think those in empire need to htfu and move out. My question to them is, where are all the empire dwellers supposed to go?
Some answers
Most of them would love if you'd come out and "rent" space for rediculous amounts of isk. Were talking a couple bil for even the crappiest nonstation systems and the costs drasticly increase from there
Does that sound like something worth moving out to 0.0 for
Next is NPC systems inhabited by station gamers that have 10 carriers docked up and ready to undock the second you agress their bahl. Unless you join an ~elite pvp~ corp you don't really stand a chance in lowsec. Lowsec isn't a place to make much money unless you're the ones doing the ganking, hence why lowsec is the way it is, its infested with pirates with not much to lose in terms of assets
Does that sound like something worth moving out to npc 0.0 for
Next choice is you get to be pets/meat shields. You get to die for a block who will probably forget you're even alive. You'll get told your **** erry day because you're a pet, even your 'masters' will call you **** internally and constantly threaten to reset you if you don't lose every single asset you have in defense of their space
The has to sound promising, right
So what else can ccp do to entice those in empire to move out? My thoughts were either increasing sov costs by multitudes after you've reached a certain amount of systems or introduce a huge amount of new 0.0
You're thougths
Inb4 ~**** name **** corp **** alliance~ etc |
KrakizBad
Eve Defence Force Fatal Ascension
496
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Posted - 2012.04.01 00:59:00 -
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Stay in empire, we don't want you. http://blog.beyondreality.se/Incursion-hose Remove all incursions from hisec |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:03:00 -
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CCP needs to get rid of sovereignty to make nullsec borders more dynamic. Ever since sovereignty, alliances have just dug in and and things have become more and more static. Soon, nullsec will just be one giant NAP and anyone new who tries to enter will be dogpiled by everyone else. |
XavierVE
Reasonable People Of Sound Mind
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:03:00 -
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The current sov system is geared towards the defender, which allows AFK empires to squat on space they don't want, need or use. There are regions that you can literally auto-pilot through as a result. Power, projected too easily, with too many opportunities to project it across multiple regions within a blink of an eye.
If CCP loosens up sov contention by removing/reducing timers, then it might be possible to encourage people to "move to 0.0." Otherwise, it will simply be dominated by AFK botting/renting empires.
Since most of the changes discussed by the CSM or CCP involve a strengthening of the blobfests that you must have to even try to contend a system, nothing will likely change in the foreseeable future. |
Alexandra Delarge
The Korova
43
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:03:00 -
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I want to be able to hold sov with a 1 man corp. |
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School Minmatar Republic
198
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:06:00 -
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You should rent a place from this alliance called moonswarm or something... Heard they're having some troubles... |
Serene Repose
Perkone Caldari State
514
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:07:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:CCP needs to get rid of sovereignty to make nullsec borders more dynamic. Ever since sovereignty, alliances have just dug in and and things have become more and more static. Soon, nullsec will just be one giant NAP and anyone new who tries to enter will be dogpiled by everyone else. It's not that way already?
Smokestack lightnin' shinin' just like gold |
Aranakas
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
252
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:09:00 -
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Serene Repose wrote:Aranakas wrote:CCP needs to get rid of sovereignty to make nullsec borders more dynamic. Ever since sovereignty, alliances have just dug in and and things have become more and more static. Soon, nullsec will just be one giant NAP and anyone new who tries to enter will be dogpiled by everyone else. It's not that way already?
Some wars go on once in a while, or so I hear. Mostly just to burn all those trillions of isk they have nothing else to do with. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
469
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:10:00 -
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The OP forgot: "be forced to join some 2.30am alliance op about going and reinforce some boring crap 30 jumps away" (and then be hotdropped by a dozen titans).
TBH the only 0.0 worth playing in are WH and some 0.0 NPC space. The rest is about boot licking some high brass CAOD guys and be their little servants. Only a tiny minority are the great 0.0 corps like DR, with great comraderie, drunk FC leading to victory against huge odds, but you got to luck out to find those. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:13:00 -
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Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:The OP forgot: "be forced to join some 2.30am alliance op about going and reinforce some boring crap 30 jumps away" (and then be hotdropped by a dozen titans).
TBH the only 0.0 worth playing in are WH and some 0.0 NPC space. The rest is about boot licking some high brass CAOD guys and be their little servants. Only a tiny minority are the great 0.0 corps like GSF, with great comraderie, drunk FC leading to victory against huge odds, but you got to luck out to find those. FYP |
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Aiwha
101st Space Marine Force Nulli Secunda
292
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:18:00 -
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Industrialists are always welcome in 0.0.
In fact, you're probably safer down here than in highsec. Regards,
LCpl. Aiwha-á Senior Recruiter |
Kattshiro
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:21:00 -
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Thought there were idea's to make 0.0 more accessible to smaller entities that dont want to hold sov. Also make it harder for all the guys to hot drop capitals on you.
Yeah for WH space!
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Divine Power. Cascade Imminent
635
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:33:00 -
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eve is a great game because players can actually have virtual inferiority complexes over virtual class divides |
Taihbea
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
105
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:54:00 -
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For 40M (less then a hour of play with a rather usuall fitted ahip) a month you can live in a -0.6 with 4 static heavens and 14 belts. Renting alliance and no CTA's. There's a corp there already but has 4 active members. I used to make about 5B a month never leaving the system and playing casual (plexes / escalations give extra nice isk)
Get out that hole and explore a bit. Talk to people. I bet there's a lot of places like that. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat Working Stiffs
569
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Posted - 2012.04.01 01:57:00 -
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You could always make friends and allies
Once the corp I was in joined an alliance just to share a w-space system with another corp. Worked out great, and in fact, we saved their control tower when it was attacked and reinforced, by getting the alliance into the system, using our POS as a base for the defense effort, and providing the Basilisks we used for repping their shield. We also participated in all wars the alliance got into.
This relationship started with the same corp that owned the control tower we later saved forcing us to unanchor our control tower at gunpoint. While it unanchored, we chatted, and got to know each other, and they invited us to the alliance. After joining we re-anchored the tower. |
Grumpy Owly
547
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:00:00 -
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Forgot "Choice".
The prescriptive arrogance of some null seccers is also an offputting characteristic of the culture. Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
259
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:05:00 -
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Aranakas wrote:CCP needs to get rid of sovereignty to make nullsec borders more dynamic. Ever since sovereignty, alliances have just dug in and and things have become more and more static. Soon, nullsec will just be one giant NAP and anyone new who tries to enter will be dogpiled by everyone else.
Already happening.
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Revolution Rising
Gentlemen of Better Ilk
259
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:09:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Remove all incursions from hisec
Yes I can imagine the Lore now...
"Sir, we've moved incursions to 0.0, we're looking for people to indoctrinate now. Our scouts tell us there are 3 people in local only. We did recieve a transmission, but couldn't understand it."
TRANSMISSION START **** YOU SANSHAS. CLOAKY FAGS FOR THE WIN! TRANSMISSION END
"There was one other transmission from a very angry man in a wizard hat we couldn't make head nor tail of it sir."
TRANSMISSION START Hey Sansha, go thrill yourself in real life! TRANSMISSION END
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
382
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Posted - 2012.04.01 02:43:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Remove all incursions from hisec Yes I can imagine the Lore now... "Sir, we've moved incursions to 0.0, we're looking for people to indoctrinate now. Our scouts tell us there are 3 people in local only. We did recieve a transmission, but couldn't understand it." TRANSMISSION START **** YOU SANSHAS. CLOAKY FAGS FOR THE WIN! TRANSMISSION END "There was one other transmission from a very angry man in a wizard hat we couldn't make head nor tail of it sir." TRANSMISSION START Hey Sansha, go thrill yourself in real life! TRANSMISSION END That would happen just before they were overwhelmed by the same shiny fleets they meet in highsec. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
MICH00000
The Pakk Syndicate
0
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:52:00 -
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Revolution Rising wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Remove all incursions from hisec Yes I can imagine the Lore now... "Sir, we've moved incursions to 0.0, we're looking for people to indoctrinate now. Our scouts tell us there are 3 people in local only. We did recieve a transmission, but couldn't understand it." TRANSMISSION START **** YOU SANSHAS. CLOAKY FAGS FOR THE WIN! TRANSMISSION END "There was one other transmission from a very angry man in a wizard hat we couldn't make head nor tail of it sir." TRANSMISSION START Hey Sansha, go thrill yourself in real life! TRANSMISSION END
I have never laughed more hard in my entire life! |
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Herping yourDerp
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
443
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:57:00 -
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moving lvl 4s, incursions, and decent mining to low or nullsec wouldn't make people leave highsec... they would just run level 3s or mine the crap ores....
people don't want to deal with the crap you have to deal with in low or null. infact nerfing highsec will kill lowsec more then it is now, because when highsec people feel adventurous and have a decent isk supply they will try and get a kil or something
guess what... if you nerf highsec, they won't have the decent isk safety net and therefore stay in highsec. |
Vertisce Soritenshi
Varion Galactic Tragedy.
1425
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Posted - 2012.04.01 03:59:00 -
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To the OP. Play EvE however you wan't. If some other scrub tells you to do something else, tell them to **** off. EvE is not about PvP.-á EvE is about the SANDBOX! - CCP!-á Open the door!!! |
Savion Chastis
Golden Sail Enterprises
12
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Posted - 2012.04.01 04:10:00 -
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People in empire are someone else's alt, or new players.
"Renters" are bots.
Low sec is tower bunnies.
Null sec is either small groups of people looking for the gf or large groups of people grinding away paying their leadership's car payments.
tldr: State of EvE. |
Ziranda Hakuli
Relativity Holding Corp AAA Citizens
15
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:33:00 -
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I find it funny that the 0.0 cannot deal with their incursions in their space when one spawns but can go to empire and run them all day with no issue. The thing is most have no idea how to deal with them out there and when there was an offer to come out and pop them the mighty 0.0 alliance blocks said sure and popped a few that came out to help them and since then have not bothered to assist them in that.
So the incursion runners learn quick and realize that the 0.0 guys are only out to pop anyone that is no blue. So now when an incursion pops in 0.0 space and said alliance has screwed because its in a main pipeline for them no one will come out to help them.
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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
383
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Posted - 2012.04.01 05:39:00 -
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Ziranda Hakuli wrote:So the incursion runners learn quick and realize that the 0.0 guys are only out to pop anyone that is no blue. So now when an incursion pops in 0.0 space and said alliance has screwed because its in a main pipeline for them no one will come out to help them. Not really, we have TEST who runs testcursions.
We don't sit and farm the hell out of them like in highsec, we do actually kill the mothership, so it's like an attack (incursion if you will) in our space that is removed. Instead of a reason to sit and let CONCORD print isk into our wallets.
Certainly though, if you bring your shiny loot pinatas into null, well they make shiny killmails and parts of rifters. Take all the tech Build all the titans Drop all the POSes
Bees incoming, nerf ERRYTHING ERRYDAY |
Markus Reese
Debitum Naturae ROMANIAN-LEGION
84
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:03:00 -
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Personally, I think a change to nullsec and to start with lowsec needs to come from income. Myself, I have been cruising and making my income in low and null since 2009, but never left living highsec until late 2011. The actual living in highsec isnt that big of a deal.
What is needed is the balance of risk/reward. For me, I sacrificed reward for the risk factor. I ran solo without any form of scouts to exploration sites in low and null. When I found treasure, was good and fun, though annoying sometimes to get through. This is the place to start.
Industrials: We need to rebalance production items to suit this. No matter the source, highsec items should not be able to yield lowsec ores. With dronelands change, the only other source will be reprocessing. This in itself wouldn't be so bad, except for the npc drops. Have to make sure that any reprocessing makes it very difficult or rare to get morphite and your ABC minerals. Not enough though. More diversity in industrial ships. For low and null ores, we never want to went out because any industrial ship was useless for the task. Need large size industrial ships. Not more mining lasers, that would be fail. But maybe droneboat variations that still can get the mining lasers (at less bonus) or ones that can use missiles with strong effective tanks. Covert ops or other support type of industrials as well. Ideally some sort of T3 maybe.
Combat: They are highsec, and like me enjoyed the sort of peeps and playstyle assorted with it. Not quite ready to make a permanent low/nullsec move. There really isn't a whole lot that can be improved on this right now because I found exploration to be a fairly good way. It can take a long while to do the sites and they are risky for rewards typically only on par with highsec. Though don't want to make them farmable or meta items will flood the market, drop value and be back to start. Ships and basic architecture are all there, but not really enticing.
The best way I feel is adding tactical sites. Much like how the pirate epics are ran with small ships, we need to do the same for these sites. Have interconnected systems that encourage players to have to do certain sites as a team of ships. Split through different gates, two people hold one area from npcs while two more have to go to another area. Rewards sort of scalable. Because they require multiple people, they are alot less farmable for convenience than other sorts, but for active groups, they can be more fun and reward isk wize than anything highsec.
That is another good point, more rewarding. The risk reward isn't really there for highsec. The whole isk earning system needs to have a form of balance cap. Only way is ships need to die more in pve. Now this kind of runs to a whole idea of the same sort of idea as incursion, multiple people in a pve, and randomizations. If ships can no longer spec fit to a mission, a player can make a mistake easier and die. Make it so staying highsec running lvl 4 is fine if you are satisfied with having to replace your domi or raven a couple times a month. However if you want the isk to use the big toys, then you are going to really need to head out to where real money is. Small fleet things the same. You can run with a big fleet and guarantee victory, but no isk will be made really. So a balance would become key.
As you hit the other sec status areas, in low and null, we need to figure out how these ships can be more viable. Possibly sec stations need to form more about the sec status of the pirates flying them. Below -5, empire stations refuse docking. Above 5, maybe pirates. Just a thought. But idea is there. Want T3 and faction type money you need to hit low. Multibil capitals implants and fits, need to get to null. You can afford them in highsec, but buying anything outside a T1 battleship should start getting very pricey. |
Fredfredbug4
Kings of Kill EVE Animal Control
177
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:12:00 -
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Join an alliance. Believe it or not PVP alliances like having industry corps in them as it makes people require less and less trips to smelly high-sec. |
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
1376
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:13:00 -
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KrakizBad wrote:Stay in empire, we don't want you.
Is it OK if I just base in Empire, and trespass in your backyard occasionally?
I love coming home with a hull full of goodies without the overhead if nullsec neckbeard politics.
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Duvida
The Scope Gallente Federation
54
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:17:00 -
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Herping yourDerp wrote:moving lvl 4s, incursions, and decent mining to low or nullsec wouldn't make people leave highsec... they would just run level 3s or mine the crap ores....
people don't want to deal with the crap you have to deal with in low or null. infact nerfing highsec will kill lowsec more then it is now, because when highsec people feel adventurous and have a decent isk supply they will try and get a kil or something
guess what... if you nerf highsec, they won't have the decent isk safety net and therefore stay in highsec.
Actually, if it came to it, enough would unsub and find something else to do. For those that think "Yeah, and don't let the door hit you, carebear!", CCP can't just roll the overhead costs back to 2004 levels. It would be the end. Those left would be sharing heartbreak stories with Warhammer vets about how that one great game just shut down and there'll never be another like it. |
Valerius Anthar
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
16
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Posted - 2012.04.01 06:19:00 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:KrakizBad wrote:Stay in empire, we don't want you. Is it OK if I just base in Empire, and trespass in your backyard occasionally? I love coming home with a hull full of goodies without the overhead if nullsec neckbeard politics.
Tbh....I don't see much difference between neckbeard politics or real politics. It's all very amusing and sad at the same time. Hmmmm. *strokes neckbeard* |
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