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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:53:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged.
NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:55:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote:Just tested it out, you get a new warning when jumping into Highsec, the faction police attack you, but no Concord. You are not allowed to dock or use a jump gate.
Once the GCC clears and you are under the yellow crimial tag you normally get for entering you are fine.
Will have to test from setups and tricks for ganking highsec people, miners in particular.
The patch hasn't been deployed yet. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:35:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:GM Homonoia wrote: NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start.
I'm sorry, putting the word 'unambiguous' in the same sentence as the idiommatic phrase 'grain of salt' is pretty much a contradiction in terms...would you be able to rephrase your sentence so that it is more concrete, please?
The grain of salt thing is for the fact that I claimed it will always be so. I do not have a fully functional crystal ball. With my luck we will do something weird with CONCORD 20 years from now and people will send me hate mail during my well deserved pensioner years. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:36:00 -
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Nebula Terron wrote:Htrag wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged. Evading Concord in LOW SEC is technically an exploit? Durr? There is no Concord in low sec
Ack, ok, I misquoted that. What I MEANT to do was to quote the part where you jump from Lowsec to Highsec with a GCC and then flee back to Low.
I now fixed the quote to show the proper sentence. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:38:00 -
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Nebula Terron wrote:Jason McCoy wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged. NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start. I dont understand this statement so low-sec will now have concord presence? You attack someone in a .4 ~ .1 system and you are flying through a system you are evading concord? I thought low sec did not have concord? People are talking about those high sec spots in low sec. You are -10 and fly through a few low sec systems 0.3->0.2->0.4-0.5(high sec spot->0.4->0.3. Old system: You can jump into the 0.5 and with a fast ship, warp past Concord and jump back into the 0.4 low sec system New system: you jump from low sec to high sec, you are Toast. That's at least how I undestrood it.
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:28:00 -
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Nebula Terron wrote:Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:Nebula Terron wrote: People are talking about those high sec spots in low sec. You are -10 and fly through a few low sec systems 0.3->0.2->0.4-0.5(high sec spot->0.4->0.3.
Old system: You can jump into the 0.5 and with a fast ship, warp past Concord and jump back into the 0.4 low sec system New system: you jump from low sec to high sec, you are Toast.
That's at least how I undestrood it.
Yeah but being unambiguous does not mean it's smart. Imo CONCORD should punish aggressors "on site", i.e. if I attack (and eventually kill) somebody in 0.4 CONCORD shoots at my ship in there, because that's the punishment for killing in 0.4. If I move to hi sec not doing any crime in there why should CONCORD send ships? First let me point out that I am not a supporter of the new system. As it is now you have GCC you get attacked by Concord. What I want to know is, what if I am a -10 Pirate, and jump into high sec without GCC but my Criminal Timer that I earn simply for beeing a pirate. With the old system you have been attacked by faction Navy, if you have not commited any crime in that high sec system other then entering it. I want to know if still faction Navy comes after you if you jump into high sec as a -10 pirate without commiting any crimes recently, or if Concord now is responding to your entering of the system.
This doesn't change at all. The outlaw flag does not bestow a GCC and we are only touching upon how a GCC works. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:29:00 -
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Morph Eis wrote:In case its hard to work out. If you have GCC stay out of high sec.
^^ This. GCC in High Sec = dead, no matter how you got that GCC. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.03 17:34:00 -
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Othran wrote:Lord Helghast wrote:RULES OF EVE
GCC = Concord will shoot you
Concord Patrols HighSec
you get GCC for killing in high or lowsec
Evading Concord is Illegal
With this logic it says that if you kill in lowsec and get GCC and go to highsec you will be killed end of story, its just the way its supposed to be avoiding concord = nono
The bit you are missing is that evading concorde was only an exploit if GCC occurred in high-sec. Things change of course. Especially when clueless devs create the ultimate high-sec ganking machine (tier 3 BCs). Oh and they got warned. Repeatedly. Then we end up with ill thought out garbage like we have now. Knee-jerk policy changes don't work. Never have.
Actually, Lord Helghast is correct. See this article: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Global_criminal_countdown
It very clearly states that jumping into High Sec with GCC = death. That article hasn't been touched since January 2010. This really has always been the case (at least for as long as I can remember and I have been playing since early 2006 and I have been a GM for 3 years). Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
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Posted - 2012.04.04 00:23:00 -
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EnslaverOfMinmatar wrote:GM Homonoia wrote:Actually, Lord Helghast is correct. See this article: http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Global_criminal_countdownIt very clearly states that jumping into High Sec with GCC = death. That article hasn't been touched since January 2010. This really has always been the case (at least for as long as I can remember and I have been playing since early 2006 and I have been a GM for 3 years). How much veldspar did you mine during 2006-2009?
Very little, I mostly mined Arkonor. And I stopped mining early 2007 for obvious reasons. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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