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Adian Grey
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:47:00 -
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So the patch notes say that anyone with a GCC in highsec will be prevented from warping. This is in response to people abusing the "boomerang" tactic for ganking on gates while avoiding Concord. Need to have the following clarified as this impact all lowsec pilots who engage in combat
What if the GCC is not a result of Highsec actions? Namely a lowsec person engages in combat in lowsec. There are many systems that have 0.5 islands lowsec people travel through with active GCC's This is a gate to gate jump only, no GCC from highsec actions. We are NOT breaking the Concord laws, yet we are now going to be punished for something we did not do?
If this is the case CCP needs to change the mechanic to a scram on GCC, not a global GCC rule. If CCP wishes this to affect all GCC enabled people, they need to clarify the changes. |
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
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Posted - 2012.04.02 18:49:00 -
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Interesting question I hope low sec isnt effected by this.
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gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:07:00 -
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If you got a GCC and jump into highsec you got CONCORD after you and can't dock nor jump via stargate or WH right now. You are not allowed to escape CONCORD either. So what exactly do you expect to change with the next patch?
Inferno - your wallet will burn! |
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:25:00 -
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Nova Fox wrote:Interesting question I hope low sec isnt effected by this. It's not. It's just made to plug yet another hole in CONCORD's security. Incompetent cops that they are. Rifterlings - Small gang lowsec combat corp specializing in frigates and cruisers (all races, not just Rifters!). US Timezone veterans and newbies alike are welcome to join. Come chat in the "we fly rifters" in-game channel. Free fitted frigates for members! |
Adian Grey
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.02 19:55:00 -
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gfldex wrote:If you got a GCC and jump into highsec you got CONCORD after you and can't dock nor jump via stargate or WH right now. You are not allowed to escape CONCORD either. So what exactly do you expect to change with the next patch?
You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you. They follow the same rules as the spawn timers for acts committed in Highsec, but the GCC itself was not obtained in highsec. This patch is specific to people in highsec getting a GCC that will likely have unintended consequences.
If said GCC flagged person engages in criminal activity while in highsec, then thats fine. The GCC gets refreshed, they get scramed or whatever, and the Concord Death Ray blows them up.
And what about people that jump into Highsec, get their GCC, get blown up per Concord, go back into where ever they came form and re enter the system? Do they get Concorded again? They were already blown up for the first act they committed.
My other major concern is if you jump into Highsec with a neg sec status you get a criminal flag to the local police. You lose the ability to cloak and a few other draw backs, but you can still warp through. CCP being what it is, I fully expect them to get this wrong and have -5 and lower people scarmmed for simply passing through.
Again this has an impact on people that are career criminals, know the consequences, and willingly accept the punishment. CCP's change of this mechanic to any GCC no matter what has a direct impact on those that follow the rules and play in the sandbox. |
gfldex
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:08:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote:You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you. They follow the same rules as the spawn timers for acts committed in Highsec, but the GCC itself was not obtained in highsec. This patch is specific to people in highsec getting a GCC that will likely have unintended consequences.
Did you ask a GM recently if they are fine with that? Because it could very well be one of those cases that they overlooked.
Inferno - your wallet will burn! |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:14:00 -
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Does this count the capsule? Are the capsules of gankers gonna be stuck on the grid to the indies can then get in a noob ship, go back an kill them? Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:16:00 -
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damn no delete button Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Lauren Hellfury
Full Pocket Aggro In Vitro.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:21:00 -
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lrn2gcc?
Even if the patch notes didn't specifically exclude capsules you'd still be wrong. Help rid New Eden of T2 BPOs:-áhttps://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=62797 The Full Pocket Aggro blog:-á http://fullpocketaggro.blogspot.com/ Now showing: The incursion situation |
Mashie Saldana
Veto. Veto Corp
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:22:00 -
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Richard Hammond II wrote:Does this count the capsule? Are the capsules of gankers gonna be stuck on the grid to the indies can then get in a noob ship, go back an kill them? Adian Grey wrote: You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you.
Given that avoiding CONCORD is ITSELF an exploit as they said in the thread I dont see the issue edit wrong thread right threadGM Homonoia wrote:My Neutral Toon wrote:You can still get away from them if you move fast enough and dont stop moving.
But you have to be really fast, destroyer hull or below. Otherwise you probably wont make it. Note that it is also a (seperate) exploit to avoid being destroyed by CONCORD in high sec when you gain a GCC how is this hard to understand? This is not affecting pods. Dominique Vasilkovsky Mashie Saldana Monica Foulkes |
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Richard Hammond II
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:23:00 -
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Mashie Saldana wrote:Never mind, you hit edit the same second I hit quote.
ya both threads pretty much have the same title -.-
Goons; infiltration at its best - first bob... now ccp itself. They dont realize you guys dot take this as "just a game". Bring it down guys, we're rooting for you. |
Adian Grey
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.02 20:52:00 -
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Since people cannot read...
Attacking someone in Highsec = GCC, Concord
Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
What happens with the person with a GCC gained through actions outside of Highsec goes through Highsec is the base question. This also affects a number of mechanics currently used by pirates and bad people. Getting the GCC in Highsec is the exploit they are fixing. There is no exploit from getting a GCC in lowsec. |
Ravenesa
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:11:00 -
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Rather curious about this one. I'm one of those lowsec people who buzzes highsec once in a while with a GCC |
Soldarius
United Highsec Front The 99 Percent
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Posted - 2012.04.02 23:20:00 -
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If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all. "How do you kill that which has no life?" |
Ravenesa
The Bastards The Bastards.
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:00:00 -
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Soldarius wrote:If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all.
Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense. |
Grumpy Owly
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Posted - 2012.04.03 04:05:00 -
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Ravenesa wrote:Soldarius wrote:If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all. Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense.
Flying in HS with GCC is though, or did that escape you?
The understanding therefore based on the GM arbitration is that by jumping gates you avoid Concord against the understood rulings you can't avoid Concord under any conditions.
Bounty Hunting for CSM7
It's just criminal - Smuggling |
Adian Grey
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:14:00 -
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Grumpy Owly wrote:Ravenesa wrote:Soldarius wrote:If you have GCC and jump into hisec, you will be concorded. Avoiding/evading Concord is an exploit. That is all. Attacking someone in lowsec is not a Concordable offense. Flying in HS with GCC is though, or did that escape you? The understanding therefore based on the GM arbitration is that by jumping gates you avoid Concord against the understood rulings you can't avoid Concord under any conditions.
So jumping into Highsec is a Concordable offense now? Even though you have done nothing to warrent the Concord attack? |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:16:00 -
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Sounds like fun...
I can sit on a LS--->HS gate in my overtanked Orca, wait for someone to shoot at me, jump through and hope they follow, then loot their CONCORDOKKEN!!! wrecked ship with impunity!!
ReversePiracyFTW! |
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
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Posted - 2012.04.03 13:17:00 -
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Adian Grey
Hedion University Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:31:00 -
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Just tested it out, you get a new warning when jumping into Highsec, the faction police attack you, but no Concord. You are not allowed to dock or use a jump gate.
Once the GCC clears and you are under the yellow crimial tag you normally get for entering you are fine.
Will have to test from setups and tricks for ganking highsec people, miners in particular. |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:53:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged.
NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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GM Homonoia
Game Masters C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2012.04.03 15:55:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote:Just tested it out, you get a new warning when jumping into Highsec, the faction police attack you, but no Concord. You are not allowed to dock or use a jump gate.
Once the GCC clears and you are under the yellow crimial tag you normally get for entering you are fine.
Will have to test from setups and tricks for ganking highsec people, miners in particular.
The patch hasn't been deployed yet. Senior GM Homonoia | Info Group | Senior Game Master |
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Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:03:00 -
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Can you fix CONCORD/Interbus sov now so people with low security statuses don't randomly go GCC/have to remember to avoid those systems? :P
The sentry guns are already Amarr Navy, can't the boats be too? |
xxREDNUTTERxx
Kangaroos With Frickin Lazerbeams Ninja Unicorns with Huge Horns
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:09:00 -
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Seeing as I am allready receiving hate mail saying that I aam responsible for "f***ing the game for everybody." Can you name the patch " the xxREDNUTTERxx /Viper Serenity" patch.
Credit where credit is due, don't hate on us cause we made ships better than concords. |
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:11:00 -
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gfldex wrote:Adian Grey wrote:You can have a GCC and burn through 0.5 systems and back into another lowsec system without Concord getting you. They follow the same rules as the spawn timers for acts committed in Highsec, but the GCC itself was not obtained in highsec. This patch is specific to people in highsec getting a GCC that will likely have unintended consequences. Did you ask a GM recently if they are fine with that? Because it could very well be one of those cases that they overlooked.
I hope they did not nerf it, I used it a lot to go in hi sec while being chased by a train of NPCs. Auditing | Collateral holding and insurance | Consulting | PLEX for Good Charity
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Gorki Andropov
Kerensky Initiatives
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:12:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote: NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start.
I'm sorry, putting the word 'unambiguous' in the same sentence as the idiommatic phrase 'grain of salt' is pretty much a contradiction in terms...would you be able to rephrase your sentence so that it is more concrete, please? |
Istyn
Tactical Knightmare
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:16:00 -
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Gorki Andropov wrote:GM Homonoia wrote: NOTE: Just to make this absolutely and unambiguously clear; evading CONCORD has always been an exploit and always will be (grain of salt). We are NOT changing the rules here, only properly enforcing (through code) rules that have been there from the start.
I'm sorry, putting the word 'unambiguous' in the same sentence as the idiommatic phrase 'grain of salt' is pretty much a contradiction in terms...would you be able to rephrase your sentence so that it is more concrete, please?
It won't change but it might. |
Htrag
The Carebear Stare Hydroponic Zone
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:16:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged.
Evading Concord in LOW SEC is technically an exploit? Durr?
Whatever "dev" it was that removed the pod squish sound probably never even logged into the game. |
Apollo-Moor
xHELLonEARTHx Rookie Empire
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:23:00 -
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Adian Grey wrote:So the patch notes say that anyone with a GCC in highsec will be prevented from warping. This is in response to people abusing the "boomerang" tactic for ganking on gates while avoiding Concord. Need to have the following clarified as this impact all lowsec pilots who engage in combat
What if the GCC is not a result of Highsec actions? Namely a lowsec person engages in combat in lowsec. There are many systems that have 0.5 islands lowsec people travel through with active GCC's This is a gate to gate jump only, no GCC from highsec actions. We are NOT breaking the Concord laws, yet we are now going to be punished for something we did not do?
If this is the case CCP needs to change the mechanic to a scram on GCC, not a global GCC rule. If CCP wishes this to affect all GCC enabled people, they need to clarify the changes.
Think.... Grand Theft Auto on Playstation..
You gotta out run the coppers, they'll follow you till ya lose them (Ya GCC runs out). Jumping through a gate to the next system that they normall patrol anyhow, even if half-assedly.. I think CONCORD can manage.. |
Fatbear
Syndicate of Interstellar Killers The Unwilling.
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Posted - 2012.04.03 16:27:00 -
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GM Homonoia wrote:Adian Grey wrote: Attacking someine in Lowsec = GCC, No Concord
That is, technically, an exploit as you are not allowed to evade CONCORD, but it is an exploit that we took no action against (a sort of active tolerance, if you will), as it was a victim-less crime. However, with the coming patch this will hole be plugged.
Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but can you clarify what you're calling an exploit? There is no CONCORD presence in lowsec, so how exactly is it an exploit? Are you suggesting we should be forming an orderly line at the nearest gate-guns? |
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