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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 01:45:00 -
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If this ship could just hold a rigged battleship and a rigged destroyer, it would be a dream come true for the high sec mission runner. Right now, packing up to join a friend for mission running in another system involves many jumps back and forth for my bs, salvager and hauler for cap boosters and ammo and fittings (the hauler is replaced by this ship). It would also make moving to an agent in a less laggy system a much simpler affair.
Plus, it's just really really cool to have an RV, to be nomadic among the stars. A small, mobile station for those of us who probably won't ever be able to own a POS. A place to call home.
Pretty please ;)
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Avalira
Caldari Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:00:00 -
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No, give us a tier 2 Orca specifically for carrying rigged ships. Diversify don't simplify. |
Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:12:00 -
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Edited by: Crausaum on 28/10/2008 02:12:15
Yeah I really wouldn't mind if they reused the same ship model for a few different subtypes of ship. Precise visual recognition is usually only critical with combat ships as you need to know what they are before they start shooting at you, with carebear ships it doesn't matter as much since you're usually just ganking them.
Perhaps there should be ship transport, mining vessel, and salvaging/logistics variants of this ship?
CCP would do well to fill the gaps in the ship classes quickly rather than having us wait another year or two for the ship models to come along. |
Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:25:00 -
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Edited by: Megan Maynard on 28/10/2008 02:25:22 Dear OP,
That is what a Roqual/freightor/jump freightor is for.
Orca is a carebear wetdream, quit *****ing. |
Icome4u
Caldari Interstellar Planetary KIA Alliance
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:32:00 -
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Originally by: Megan Maynard Edited by: Megan Maynard on 28/10/2008 02:25:22 Dear OP,
That is what a Roqual/freightor/jump freightor is for.
Orca is a carebear wetdream, quit *****ing.
Hello Mr.Noob.
Roqual can't go in high sec. Freighter/Jump Freighter can't transport rigged ship.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 02:33:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 28/10/2008 02:33:52 Correct me if I am wrong, but can't those ships either not travel around high sec, or in the case of the freighter, cannot place rigged battleships in the cargohold?
And yes, it is a carebear's wet dream. Is that such a bad thing? You low-seccers have a lot more toys at your disposal (e.g. the ones you listed).
EDIT: I was beaten to the reply. |
Avalira
Caldari Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:54:00 -
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I don't see what a ship carrying rigged ships has to do with carebearing. Even for PvP it is useful: buy cheap(er) rigged ships off the market or simply move your own rigged pvp ships from one area to the next. Just because it doesn't shoot doesn't mean it's only for carebears.
/rant
Anyways, moving a couple of rigged BS from one place to the next is a pain in the arse in high-sec and it would be nice if CCP introduced a ship that can do it. As a poster above said, just use the same model, give it another colour, edit stats and voila! How hard can it be? |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.28 03:59:00 -
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Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 28/10/2008 04:00:01 They're battleships. It SHOULD be a ***** to move them.
They're big and slow. If you want a more mobile ship, then use something smaller. Battleships shouldn't be the ultimate ship.
Quote: Plus, it's just really really cool to have an RV, to be nomadic among the stars. A small, mobile station for those of us who probably won't ever be able to own a POS. A place to call home.
Expand your horizons. BS is not the only ship class. |
Constance Harme
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Posted - 2008.10.28 04:10:00 -
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TPTB have already said that they intended for it to not be able to haul a battleship.
Look under point 1. of General Opinions and Responses
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Jason Edwards
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Posted - 2008.10.28 09:14:00 -
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Originally by: Constance Harme TPTB have already said that they intended for it to not be able to haul a battleship.
Look under point 1. of General Opinions and Responses
Your right. Which is why we have them expand it to a battleship size. There's no harm in allowing bs to be transported also. |
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Car Wars
T.H.U.G L.I.F.E White Core
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Posted - 2008.10.28 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: chatgris Edited by: chatgris on 28/10/2008 02:33:52 Correct me if I am wrong, but can't those ships either not travel around high sec, or in the case of the freighter, cannot place rigged battleships in the cargohold?
Correction:
Make a courier contract for you freighter pilot and throw in all the rigged ships, tada rigged ships in freighter.
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Placeholder1
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Posted - 2008.10.28 09:38:00 -
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Why could an orca even carry a combat ship in its bay? I am sure that a Rorqual can only carry haulers and barges and that's how it should be. If you want to move a BS thru empire just fly it anyway. |
Stitcher
Caldari Duty.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 10:29:00 -
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Originally by: Placeholder1 Why could an orca even carry a combat ship in its bay? I am sure that a Rorqual can only carry haulers and barges and that's how it should be. If you want to move a BS thru empire just fly it anyway.
This.
It's a mining support vessel, not an all-round carebearmobile. if you want to move your BS, fly it to your destination.
Besides, correct me if I'm wrong, but the Orca should be capable of carrying a HAC, and flown properly those things can handle anything a battleship can in terms of missions. -
Captain Verin "Stitcher" Tarn-Hakatain. |
Tnam
Caldari Mortis Angelus The Church.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 10:40:00 -
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Orca is such a conceptually aweful ship, but if it can carry combat ships then that just doesn't make sense. A rorqual can't carry combat ships.
Orca is designed to keep bears in highsec by increasing the rewards. That just makes me sick! The only up-side I can see is that isk value will fall due to high intensity isk farming, therefore timecards will get cheaper. |
Rakshasa Taisab
Caldari Sane Industries Inc. Ursa Stellar Initiative
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Posted - 2008.10.28 11:06:00 -
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The Orca was born from the cooperation between two different corporation. It's a designed by committee; capable of doing a lot but master of none. Thus it hasn't got room for BS.
So it _DOES_ fill a specific role, that of 'Jack of all Trades'.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 14:17:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 28/10/2008 14:18:40 "Make a courier contract for you freighter pilot and throw in all the rigged ships, tada rigged ships in freighter."
As far as I understand, I cannot make a contract to myself. I'm really looking for a solo-carebear-mobile for hauling stuff around empire :). If I could just put a rigged ship in the cargohold of a freighter that would work fine too. ATM, I don't really have time or skills (just a 2 month old char) to do the corp thing with a freighter pilot etc.
Anyways, as one poster pointed out, it looks like the original intention of the ship was to not be able to haul a battleship. Maybe a different type of ship?
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Avalira
Caldari Tau Ceti Green Card Free Trade Zone.
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Posted - 2008.10.28 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Car Wars Correction:
Make a courier contract for you freighter pilot and throw in all the rigged ships, tada rigged ships in freighter.
You are limited to 120000m¦ with courier contracts, so a BS cannot be courier contracted to transport in a freighter.
If you only need to fly one BS in empire then sure, the orca is not needed. If you need to transport multiple BS's, and perhaps even those you don't have the skills to fly (corp BS, BS from manufaturing, etc), then a ship is helpful in this regard.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford Its been fixed. All in all its one of the more embarrassing mistakes I made, but it made game design laugh. Now lets never speak of this again.
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Amy Wang
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Posted - 2008.10.28 14:50:00 -
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Edited by: Amy Wang on 28/10/2008 14:53:19 agree fully with the op (although the idea of a tier 2 orca as a dedicated ship rigged transporter is also interesting, in that case it should have a bay much bigger then 550k m¦ though)
400k m¦ allows to carry:
4 hacs/recons, which is fine 1 BC/CS which is already a bit silly carrying only 1 ship with another ship 0 BS yea well...
with 550k m¦ it could carry:
5-6 hacs/recons 2 BC/CS 1 BS
doesnt seem overpowered at all and for me and I imagine many others those little 150k m¦ difference in ship bay size makes or breaks this ship and I am no carebear, I dont even run missions or mine, still with a 550k m¦ ship bay I would get this ship most likely, with only 400k I certainly would not
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.28 15:50:00 -
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Honestly, I'm suprised that its not limited to carrying industrial/mining ships like the Rorqual. At least be happy that you can carry most rigged BSs or a handful of smaller ships. -------------------- "I am hard pressed on my right; my centre is giving way; situation excellent; I am attacking." - Ferdinand Foch at the Battle of the Marne |
Myra2007
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:08:00 -
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Edited by: Myra2007 on 28/10/2008 16:12:49
Originally by: Bronson Hughes Honestly, I'm suprised that its not limited to carrying industrial/mining ships like the Rorqual. At least be happy that you can carry most rigged BSs or a handful of smaller ships.
Except that you can't? Which is the point of this thread?
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They're big and slow. If you want a more mobile ship, then use something smaller. Battleships shouldn't be the ultimate ship.
Because being able to move a single rigged bs in an orca will make travelling much faster...
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That is what a Roqual/freightor/jump freightor is for.
Orca is a carebear wetdream, quit *****ing.
Do your homework before ****ing around next time, nublet.
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 16:10:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 28/10/2008 16:11:41 It can carry most rigged BS's? I just checked the ships I am familiar with (domi, mega, hyp, raven) and none of those would fit into the rokh as is...
EDIT: Beaten to the reply again, I need to stop taking time to verify that my posts are correct.
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Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2008.10.28 17:36:00 -
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I seem to have missed where this Capital Industrial Ship changed into the porta carebear super hauler |
Kahega Amielden
Minmatar Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2008.10.28 17:36:00 -
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Quote: Because being able to move a single rigged bs in an orca will make travelling much faster...
Being able to move a single rigged BS wouldn't. Being able to move a rigged BS AND other ships would. Battleships are battleships. They have disadvantages, deal with it or fly something else. |
chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 17:49:00 -
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Originally by: Straight Chillen I seem to have missed where this Capital Industrial Ship changed into the porta carebear super hauler
It's just that it is so tantalizingly close to being one! It would allow for increased mobility for when the servers are laggy instead of just living in one system with a million other people to have access to a level 4 agent.
I know you meant 'porta carebear super hauler' in a bad way, but that's exactly what I am looking for, and perfectly worded :) I can see the problem in running missions faster, really high rewards in high sec etc, but something like this just helps carebears be a little more mobile in their operations. Without being able to pwn people/npc's any better than they currently do.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar Out of Order
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Posted - 2008.10.28 17:56:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007 Edited by: Myra2007 on 28/10/2008 16:12:49
Originally by: Bronson Hughes Honestly, I'm suprised that its not limited to carrying industrial/mining ships like the Rorqual. At least be happy that you can carry most rigged BSs or a handful of smaller ships.
Except that you can't? Which is the point of this thread?
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They're big and slow. If you want a more mobile ship, then use something smaller. Battleships shouldn't be the ultimate ship.
Because being able to move a single rigged bs in an orca will make travelling much faster...
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That is what a Roqual/freightor/jump freightor is for.
Orca is a carebear wetdream, quit *****ing.
Do your homework before ****ing around next time, nublet.
I did, jumped on the server and tried out the orca.
WTF is wrong with you people?
One, why would an orca ever need a rigged BS in a maint bay? It's for high sec, and that is pretty obvious.
Two, there are dedicated haulers that are good at.....gasp....... carry crap.
Three, carrying rigged out ships sounds like you want to use it for 0.0 or low sec hauling, which it is NOT designed to do.
Four, want to move rigged ships? Get a carrier. Want to mine in 0.0? Get a roqual. Want to move stuff from low sec? Get a freightor, t1 or t2.
Five, quit *****ing the ship is great. It's called a industrial command ship for a reason............... (NOT industrial do everything mini-carrier.)
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chatgris
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Posted - 2008.10.28 18:08:00 -
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Edited by: chatgris on 28/10/2008 18:09:45 I definitely don't want to use it for low-sec or 0.0. Look at my OP, I am talking about being able to move a small, high-sec mission runner operation. There is currently no way at all to move a rigged bs through high sec apart from flying it manually. If a carrier could move through high sec, or if a freighter could place a rigged bs in its hold, then that would fill the void.
The point is right now, nothing achieves that, but this ship comes *very very* close as a nice roamable base of operations for high sec. I'm not *****ing and moaning, the orca still speeds up things by being a nice hauler and carry a few bc/destroyers rigged. But it's so close to filling the high-sec-hauler-of-a-small-operation role that no other ship currently fills.
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Bronson Hughes
ADVANCED Combat and Engineering
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Posted - 2008.10.28 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Myra2007
Originally by: Bronson Hughes Honestly, I'm suprised that its not limited to carrying industrial/mining ships like the Rorqual. At least be happy that you can carry most rigged BSs or a handful of smaller ships.
Except that you can't? Which is the point of this thread?
I thought the Orca's ship maintanence bay was 500k m^3, not 400k m^3. Had I not been mistaken, the Orca would have been able to haul any T1 battleship barring the Apoc, Mega, and Hype. My bad, stuff happens when reading about ships that haven't been officially released yet.
In light of the fact that it's ship maintanence bay is only 400k m^3, I'd say without a doubt that CCP does not intend the Orca for hauling rigged BSs around HiSec so I doubt it will ever happen. |
Straight Chillen
Gallente Solar Wind
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Posted - 2008.10.28 18:26:00 -
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If you care to read the design notes, you would see that it is specifically intended NOT to be what you want it to be. Take it as it is or not, No one is forcing you to buy one.
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Nekopyat
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Posted - 2008.10.28 18:48:00 -
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Originally by: Kahega Amielden
Expand your horizons. BS is not the only ship class.
In PvP true, and to an extent true in PvE, but realistically battleships are the only ship class for missions that most players will use. Command Ships are possible but far more expensive and months of extra SPing.
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Karentaki
Gallente Fighting While Intoxicated Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2008.10.28 21:01:00 -
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This is the problem with carebears - you give them a nice new mining ship/mini freighter, and they go and whine that they can't use it to haul battleships around highsec. They want the game made easy to the point of stupidity so they can be happy because they have 100 trillion ISK, just like every other highsec mission farmer....
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EVE is like a sandbox with landmines. Deal with it.
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